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Allah is ENERGY

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    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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    My question is simple to you brother Mahdi
    Are we accountable to Allah =Energy and please elaborate on how?
    If we can choose to be/do good or bad ,then there must be accountability.

    It's Nature, LordLaw of Nature..

    KARMA...

    1. Unnatural cause = Unnatural Effects / Hell etc.

    2. Natural Cause = Natural Effects / Paradise etc.

    This "ENERGY MAKE CERTAIN" the above LordLaw of Cause and Effect.

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      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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      i want to help you understanding how people see things.

      Through the SCIENCE OF TRUTH...

      Every nation has a Messenger and when their Messenger comes everything is decided between them justly . They are not wronged. (1047)

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      Those who have common sense and do natural actions, how few they are! (3824)

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        good_logic
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        So you believe there is a day of resurrection for the Karma to be applied by Allah=Energy?
        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

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          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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          of course, because

          1. Energy (You) cannot be destroyed
          2. Energy (You) cannot be created
          3. Energy (You) can be transformed

          and thus Hell / Paradise is CERTAIN.

          • Those who live unnaturally goes to Hell (Unnatural Cause)

          • Those who live naturally (make peace with Nature = Islam) goes to Heaven (Natural Cause)

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          "You do not have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." ~ C.S. Lewis

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            jkhan
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            Mahdi ...
            what i asked and what you replied has no value... tbh....
            Now you have gone away from ALLAH = ENERGY to ILAH = ENERGY...
            Now you want to say all words of ILAH in quran = Energy...
            Please be specific... your website which you furnished clearly say and you say that LA ILAHA ILLA ALLAH means = NO GOD BUT ENERGY.... clearly you have taken the word ILAHA = GOD/DEITY.. can't help if you twist in between..
            And further you answer regarding Moses and Fire is just gone no where...
            God guide you...
            573 " They have certainly disbelieved who say "Energy is the Third of Three" and there is no energy except one energy...."
            2255 " Energy, no energy but Him"....
            Convince us pls... i am with you till you convince me... if you are okay with that... bring all ILAH verses in quran and explain why you take energy or gods..
            God guide us..

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              hawk99
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              of course, and many scientists understand this metaphor..

              since they are not deluded into worshipping some invisible gods in the sky.. truly deluded.

              Good.

              So what is the opposite of "light"? And could you give your understanding of .

              peace

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                jkhan
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                When he came to the Fire he was called "O Moses. I (FIRE) am your Lord!" (2013)

                Like the fire of Moses which he saw as what he needed. It was Allah but he did not perceive it.

                http//matheism.blogspot.com

                If you have forgotten what you have wrote just read your above quote....

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                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                  Mahdi ...
                  what i asked and what you replied has no value... tbh....

                  what did you ask for?

                  Then give everyone a detailed explanation of the verse 1143 which say ILAH Deity/god of Men... even explain the 1141 as well...If allah is energy what is ilah 1143 indicates?

                  your objection has no value...

                  so which part from this argument that you don't agree?

                  1141 and 1142 defines the word ILAH/GOD in verse 1143

                  • 1141 Say, "I seek refuge in (the) Lord (of) mankind,

                  • 1142 (The) King (of) mankind,

                  • 1143 (The) God (of) mankind

                  (The) Lord (of) mankind = (The) God (of) mankind

                  Therefore

                  Allah (A) = God (B)
                  God (B) = Lord (C)

                  Accordingly, what is the definition for Lord (C)?

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                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                    Good.

                    So what is the opposite of "light"? And could you give your understanding of .

                    peace

                    Insanity / Stupidity ...

                    "There is no darkness but ignorance" ~William Shakespeare

                    Allah is the Protector of those who have iman/truth=nature. He brings them out of the darkness/ignorance/insanity into the light/energy/mathematical pattern/logic/wisdom. But those who are kafir have false gods/LordLaw as protectors. They take them from the light/energy/mathematical pattern/logic/wisdom into the darkness/ignorance/insanity. Those are the Companions of the Fire remaining in it timelessly, for ever. (2257)

                    Definition of stupid Knowing the truth ( = nature / pure / unmixed), seeing the truth (natural), but still believing the lies (unnatural, mixed, impure, fallacies).

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                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                      If you have forgotten what you have wrote just read your above quote....

                      so what's wrong with this answer?

                      ie. the process of reasoning...

                      It is the process of "REASONING"

                      Musa said "Allah is the LordLaw of the East and the West and EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN ( = ENERGY). You would understand Allah if you USE REASON. (262

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                        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                        573 " They have certainly disbelieved who say "Energy is the Third of Three" and there is no energy except one energy...."
                        2255 " Energy, no energy but Him"....

                        Convince us pls... i am with you till you convince me...

                        of course, everything is ENERGY..

                        please study PHYSICS...

                        and I don't have to convince anyone. !

                        because #scientifically_illiterate

                        Say He, ENERGY, is One (1). (1121)

                        http//www.lawofattractioncentral.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Albert-Einstein-Energy.jpg

                        Allah/ENERGY = 1
                        Atoms = 0

                        "This is PHYSICS"

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                          jkhan
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                          Okay if you don?t won?t to argue and at least if not convince everyone at least give the possibilities for others to think that there could be possibilities that GOD=ENERGY? ?Otherwise, Why you brought this topic just to make a show piece ?. Or to enlighten the people to the possible meaning of GOD=Energy? if the option no. 02 then respond to questions of the members politely and with patience and let the members who argue and who silently read know you point has meaning.. if not I don?t see any meaning of your presentation here.. When differences of opinion on one word of quran then argument should be based on that word and Einstein or nonsense of physics..
                          Man? Are you out of your mind right now? I am not talking about 2628 ? I am talking about your very first thread in this topic?

                          Allah is ENERGY
                          ? on December 15, 2018, 021337 PM ?
                          When he came to the Fire he was called "O Moses. I (FIRE) am your Lord!" (2013)

                          Like the fire of Moses which he saw as what he needed. It was Allah but he did not perceive it.

                          Now As per You Mosa already seen the Fire which is Allah.. But Mosa didn?t perceive it? But Allah made His presence on this Earth which is FIRE? YES or NO? I unfortunately have to ask coz you are twisting?
                          Now Mosa (as per you conviction a fool) again asking God to make His presence? 7143 and God says
                          ?And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said, "My Lord, show me that I may look at You." said, "You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it should remain in place, then you will see Me." But when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, "Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers."
                          Now question is GOD and His presence on this earth is beyond probability but you making the Mosa a fool saying that he didn?t perceive that Fire was GOD=Energy..
                          Why Mosa didn?t feel unconscious when he saw the FIRE?? And why Mosa was unconscious when actually God appeared to the mountain?? That?s what it is called reasoning and not what you say?.i have to say only this to you 2563
                          4251 And it is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.
                          Yes above verse? funny thing Mosa saw God and which is FIRE..ha ha ha..but God deny vehemently your claim?If one cannot even talk with God without being put a partition then forget about seeing.. nonsense..
                          Peace.. Unless you go side by side with the question of mine when you answer I will continue with you otherwise best of luck with anyone who has time waste time here with you? Questioning something and answering a totally contrary..
                          God guide you if He wills? sorry? Energy Guide you if Energy wills..

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                            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                            at least give the possibilities for others to think that there could be possibilities that GOD=ENERGY

                            I already did BUT you said

                            nonsense of physics..

                            you said "NONSENSE of physics = sunnatullah = Way of Allah in Nature = Allah"

                            "Nonsense of THE SUNNATULLAH / ALLAH"

                            Thus

                            Do you desire to guide people Allah/PHYSICS has misguided? (48

                            nope... you can't fix stupid, and stupid can't fix themselves. no amount of proofs and evidences can fix stupidity / insanity...

                            Therefore

                            Pay no attention to foolish people. (7199)

                            and don't worry about others, they understand Physics.

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                              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                              Allah is ENERGY
                              � on December 15, 2018, 021337 PM �
                              When he came to the Fire he was called "O Moses. I (FIRE) am your Lord!" (2013)

                              Like the fire of Moses which he saw as what he needed. It was Allah but he did not perceive it.

                              Now As per You Mosa already seen the Fire which is Allah.. But Mosa didn�t perceive it� But Allah made His presence on this Earth which is FIRE� YES or NO� I unfortunately have to ask coz you are twisting�

                              What's wrong with this argument?

                              BEFORE MUSA REASON ABOUT ALLAH

                              Allah is ENERGY

                              When he came to the Fire he was called "O Moses. I (FIRE) am your Lord!" (2013)

                              Like the fire of Moses which he saw as what he needed. It was Allah but he did not perceive it.

                              AFTER MUSA REASON ABOUT ALLAH

                              Musa said "ALLAH IS the LordLaw of the East and the West and EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN ( = ENERGY + FIRE + MOUNTAIN + EVERYTHING). You would understand Allah IF you USE REASON. (262

                              What's wrong with your LOGIC? (6836)

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                                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                Please prove your reality...

                                My argument

                                • there is NO REALITY (GOD)

                                • But/Only ENERGY (ALLAH).

                                AND I will prove my Allah

                                here, please prove your own existence...

                                let's start with this kirlian photograph of an apple.

                                https//i.pinimg.com/236x/b3/d2/58/b3d25814d62c554c9fa96cc0bf59082c--raw-food-vegan-food.jpg

                                ISSUE Does this apple exist; or

                                There is NO APPLE (GOD),
                                ONLY LIGHT (ENERGY / ALLAH)?

                                A. The apple exist

                                B. No, there is NO APPLE (GOD). Everything is THE LIGHT

                                A or B?

                                https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=meoGgUkLx9M

                                Nothing exists except atoms and empty space, everything else IS OPINION. ~ Democritus

                                https//cdn-ssl.funkidslive.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/chest-x-ray-e1446037635839.jpg

                                delusion. n. an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

                                insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature) from reality (nature).

                                Which of you has been afflicted by insanity? (686)

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                                  hawk99
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                                  Insanity / Stupidity ...

                                  "There is no darkness but ignorance" ~William Shakespeare

                                  Allah is the Protector of those who have iman/truth=nature. He brings them out of the darkness/ignorance/insanity into the light/energy/mathematical pattern/logic/wisdom. But those who are kafir have false gods/LordLaw as protectors. They take them from the light/energy/mathematical pattern/logic/wisdom into the darkness/ignorance/insanity. Those are the Companions of the Fire remaining in it timelessly, for ever. (2257)

                                  Definition of stupid Knowing the truth ( = nature / pure / unmixed), seeing the truth (natural), but still believing the lies (unnatural, mixed, impure, fallacies).

                                  Thanks for taking time to reply Mahdi Ibrahim, I like your understanding of .
                                  However, light/energy/mathematical pattern/logic/wisdom.
                                  Does not necessarily translate into submission in my view. Whereas the metaphor
                                  of light does. Secondly, where did you get your definition of stupid? nope

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                                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                    Thanks for taking time to reply Mahdi Ibrahim, I like your understanding of .
                                    However, light/energy/mathematical pattern/logic/wisdom.
                                    Does not necessarily translate into submission in my view. Whereas the metaphor
                                    of light does. Secondly, where did you get your definition of stupid? nope

                                    Nature or Sunnatullah (energy/mathematical pattern/logic/wisdom) is always LOGICAL (CAUSE & EFFECT) in everything it does

                                    and Islam is making peace with Nature/LordLaw of Nature

                                    Thus you must submit / surrender to NATURE / LordLaw of Cause & Effect

                                    and even your Allah (imaginary GOD/ Parental God) cannot disobey NATURE.

                                    It is a promise binding on Us / ALLAH. That is what We will do. (2110

                                    You will never encounter an alternative for sunnatullah. You will never find an alteration in the sunnatullah! (3543)

                                    The definition of Islam

                                    Is it other than the Way of Allah that you desire, when everything in the heavens and earth , willingly or unwillingly, submits / ISLAM (أَسْلَمَ) to Him and to Him you will be returned ? (383)

                                    Is it?

                                    You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality. ~ Ayn Rand

                                    http//www.ratethequote.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/You-are-free-to-choose-but-you-are-not-free-from-the-consequences-of-your-choice.png

                                    "willingly or unwillingly, submits!"

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                                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                      your definition of stupid? nope

                                      It IS stupid.

                                      Is it fallacious (unnatural) gods other than Allah/Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature - that you desire? (3786)

                                      Definition of stupid

                                      • Knowing the truth / NATURE = LOGICAL,

                                      • Seeing the truth / NATURE = LOGICAL,

                                      • But still believing the lies / UNNATURE = ILLOGICAL.

                                      "stupid IS, as stupid DOES"

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                                        hawk99
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                                        It IS stupid.

                                        Definition of stupid

                                        • Knowing the truth / NATURE = LOGICAL,

                                        • Seeing the truth / NATURE = LOGICAL,

                                        • But still believing the lies / UNNATURE = ILLOGICAL.

                                        Maybe your definition and the dictionary definition intertwine &

                                        Stupid
                                        having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.
                                        "I was stupid enough to think she was perfect"

                                        synonyms unintelligent, ignorant, dense, brainless, mindless, foolish, dull-witted, dull, slow-witted, witless, slow, dunce-like, simpleminded, empty-headed, vacuous, vapid, halfwitted, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic, imbecile, obtuse, doltish;

                                        https//i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Archive/Search/2012/9/27/1348743197978/Jim-Carrey-in-Dumb-and-Du-010.jpg?width=620&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=33da1489ca2315e74616a9ebc6d199eb

                                        Stupidity is a lack of intelligence, understanding, reason, wit, or common sense. Stupidity may be innate, assumed or reactive ? a defence against grief or trauma

                                        And what about my first point?

                                        https//memegenerator.net/img/images/400x/14842562.jpg

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                                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                          Maybe your definition and the dictionary definition intertwine &

                                          Stupid
                                          having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.

                                          You must give proofs/evidences and show me that the definition does not apply to stupid people... that's how it works

                                          Say, "This is my 'Islam'. 'Islam' is with proofs and evidences! I, as well as those who follow me". (1210

                                          common sense

                                          common (sense) = universal (sense)

                                          universal (sense) = natural (sense)

                                          THEREFORE

                                          Stupid
                                          having or showing a great lack of NATURAL sense.

                                          Is it fallacious (unnatural) gods other than Allah/Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature - that you desire? (3786)

                                          They said, "Musa, give us a 'LordLaws' just as these people have (political / unnatural / stupid / imaginary) 'LordLaws'." He said, "You are indeed an ignorant people" (713

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