Help with true translations

kaltun

Slm,

i walking the same path

but before you learn words i recommand to learn first grammatic very important...

what i know with your example is

you're using 2 words namely bi and ism and its not an root word .... and its not "in the name " but "with the name "

but again , i am no native arabic speaker , i am on also learning fase , so lets see if i am wrong

Sultan_Brandon

All the translations on quranix.org translate it as "In the name". But even that's an example. How do we know which is right?

I agree that grammar is important too but its useless without proper definitions.

is made up of 3 letters
So i'm not sure what mean.

May the greatest blessings of God be upon you.

The_Sardar

Salam/Peace dear siblings. A brother of ours has discussed about the Arabic grammar & Quranic Grammar.

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=vypdeFTrnaA

The_Sardar

Also the Arabic diacritics marks didn't exist until 800's.

Check the Sanaa Birmingham Manuscript of the Quran, noticed the lacking of diacritic marks

https//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Birmingham_Quran_manuscript.jpg

Wakas

peace,

http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

The above website lists the occurrences of the root in Quran verses. If you dont see the verse listed (like in your example) then it means something has gone wrong.

You have confused bi and isma into one word. Use this site to check the root of words
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=1&verse=1#(111)

If you actually read the notes that accompany the site you reference http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm you would see it tells you how to determine the root thus not make the mistake you have done.

http//www.studyquran.co.uk/Qwribu.htm

Sultan_Brandon

http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(111) says is a word.
"The first word of verse (11) is divided into 2 morphological segments."

The example I mentioned lists 2719. Not sure what you mean by "something has gone wrong".

corpus.quran.com says that the letter with a diacritical mark which becomes "bi" is translated as "with" or "by", so I don't see why the translations on quranix.org (which are my favorite translations) translates it as "in".

I read all the articles on studyquran and they're not written clearly so i'll continue to study on my own, God willing. Thanks for the resources and effort.

May the greatest blessings of God be upon you.

Mazhar

http//haqeeqat.pk/02.%20Grammatical%20units/1.gif

These three words, a preposition, a common noun and a Proper Noun constitute the first grammatical unit . It comprises of a Prepositional Phrase + Possessive Phrase.

The first word comprising of a consonant and a vowel is Inseparable Preposition, meaning that it occurs prefixed with its object noun; in Arabic it is called . Prepositions render their object noun in genitive case. The preposition and its object noun constitute what is called a prepositional phrase, in Arabic grammar .

Arabic has only three parts of speech and other than noun and verb the words are called; . This category is defined as those words that do not impart a meaning on their own. Roughly speaking, this is equivalent to what we know in English as particles; prepositions, conjunctions, articles, interjections and other particles. "Particles do not impart a meaning" means that they are understood only when other words are mentioned along with them. These are like function words in English. Their very purpose is to expose certain attributes in the words around them. Hence, any word that does not impart a meaning on its own accord and helps expose attributes of other words is a Particle. If this is not the case; then the word is either a Noun or a Verb.

Particles do not follow the template system and hence they do not have patterns. They are what they are and they must be memorized as they are.

The grammarians and educationists say that prepositions are difficult to define but are not so difficult to understand. Preposition tell the "position" of things or objects in relation to where other people or objects are located. They can show relationships between objects in space- where one thing is in relation to another, and they can show relationships in time, when an event occurred in relation to another event.

Identifying prepositional phrases is most important skill and critical for identifying the main subject and verb of a sentence. The true subject, predicate and verb of a sentence can never appear within a prepositional phrase.

The prepositions used in the Divine Discourse help visually recognize the nouns, effortlessly. The preposition designates contiguity in its broadest sense. It has a wide range of uses including spatiotemporal, instrumental and manner adverbial. It is used for the following purposes

For connectivity;
For assistance; instrument
For making a verb transitive;
For an adverbial meaning;
For accompaniment.
For requital; and
Extraneous; according to a rule for the negated predicate; also in interrogation.

The preposition is evidently for seeking assistance; This phrase in isolation literally means "recourse-beginning-activation-concomitance is with/by a name-code". Initiating a controlled process requires information. And the most fundamental fact about information is that it is itself preceded by the Prime Source Who is but the Living and holding Will. The Divine Discourse concatenates facts in perfect sequence and chronological order. Its first word vividly indicates at the outset about superb concatenation-consistence-contiguity and colligation in the contents of the Book in hand. This is the First scientific fact of the physical world. The creation and for created ones the initiation of the process of learning-knowledge is but the "code/name". The human memory and that of computer can save nothing without knowing or assigning a code/name to a thing-object-phenomenon.

http//haqeeqat.pk/1.BismilAllah.htm

Sultan_Brandon

Thank you for explaining that Mazhar. May God give you the greatest blessings in Paradise. Along with the rest of you trying to help. Peace.

imrankhawaja

For example, is supposed to mean "In the name" but this website http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm says it means "smile, laugh a little but without sound, part lips to show teeth.". Why is it different?

so instead of smile translators should use "in the name" thats what you are asking ?

This is from that site

"= Ba-Siin-Miim = smile, laugh a little but without sound, part lips to show teeth.

tabassama vb. (5) perf. act. 2719

& are two different roots ..

Also i've been a Muslim for 6 years now and have read A Monotheist Translation over 5 times thanks to God so i'm not really new to this except for extensively studying Arabic.

hmm so thats why you just made this id yesterday to ask this question after 6 years. in all those years and all those 5 times reading quran did you never feel to ask anything else usually people when they start reading something new they ask plenty of question.(its off-topic) your choice if u wana give answer.

imrankhawaja

Thank you for explaining that Mazhar.

what did he explain to you ?

@ brother mazhar,

he is on 27.19 instead of prefixed preposition you should have explained him
The Resumption Particle ( ). thats what he was on about.

lol look at people they dunt know what they are asking.