Absolute truth and the falsehood in relativism.

Nural_Amin

Peace Truth,

interesting post, so basically the definition of 'absolute truth' is basically to mean that in this case the Quran is perpetual and shall remain pure and without falsehood till the day of Judgement.

I agree with that BUT the meaning of the Quran has been distorted and lost over the years like every other Scripture. The Quran is preserved for those who only seek properly and leave all pre-conceived ideas (traditional corruptions). The Quran is a very diverse book and people have used it to control the masses, but today we witness the Quran freeing itself from these false ideas and disowning them (that is what I thought was in the Quran has proven not to be).

It is only pure for the sincere seeker, who has the correct mind-frame. If one reads and seeks for errors then they will see them and this is the barrier between them and us, whereas if one seeks guidance from God and reads then Guidance and clarification will come GW.

Thank you 'truth', glad you defined 'absolute truth'.

Absolute truth = Always true and never false

therefore it's only true to the sincere and not the disbeliever of the book.

Nural

salikahDC

peace all,

IMO, the question of absolute truth/relative truth does not lay within the constructs of the Qur'an itself. The Qur'an in and of itself is complete-which is a degree of absoluteness (if that is a word). Relativeness comes into play in relation to the universe. The Qur'an is a relative truth to the universe and the God because

it does not reveal to us everything unseen and unknown
it is a compilation of words used to describe an absolute existence.

Truth, I have a question for you. You said

In our universe nothing can be infinite. Infinite is only conceptual. There exists nothing in the universe that is infinite. And the amount of light or heat is limited to what was present in the first place; there can be no more than what is present at the first moment. So in essence the upper limits of light and heat occur at the first moment in the universe. But this is a digression.

Do you regard this statement as absolute truth? relative truth? theory? why?

I ask because you presented this knowledge as if it were an absolute fact.

Personally, I regard any man-made explanations of the universe as theory...an observational truth at the most.

peace,
Salikah D

truth

Truth, I have a question for you. You said

In our universe nothing can be infinite. Infinite is only conceptual. There exists nothing in the universe that is infinite. And the amount of light or heat is limited to what was present in the first place; there can be no more than what is present at the first moment. So in essence the upper limits of light and heat occur at the first moment in the universe. But this is a digression.

Do you regard this statement as absolute truth? relative truth? theory? why?

I understand what you are saying. The most important statements in that paragraph are the first three sentences. That nothing in the universe is infinite. Infinity is a concept only and cannot be realised.

Here is something for you to contemplate...

If there was no beginning of time and time stretched back without a beginning can it be said that the universe is infinitely old?

Whatever you answer, you must remember that in the next moment there'll be one more unit in the time that has elapsed. So the universe cannot be infinite in age. There is no such thing therefore as infinite in the universe.

If there were an infinite amount of time before this moment, then there would be an infinite number of events that have occurred which is absurd. These are conceptual arguments against 'infinity' existing in our universe which many people don't quite understand.

Regards.

unknownuser

it is a compilation of words used to describe an absolute existence.

That is good. I can see this.

A TRUTH - I say an interpretation of the wordless absolute as opposed to being called FALSE as truth says in his definition...

Regards,

unknownuser

Peace all,

Can anyone here present a few examples/scenarios (at least three) to distinguish between "A Truth" and an "Absolute Truth" or perhaps both?

"Rain cannot fall without clouds!". Would this be "A Truth" or an "Absolute Truth" or both?

Thanks.

Ali_Omar

Hi,

Time does not actually exist, only continuous changes of everything.
If you are borne, live and die, you go through certain changes. When you die, it is not the end of time, or end of changes, everything continues to change, indefinitely.

The existence of ?something?, that many prefer to call God, is infinite.
If time was something that existed, then God would have a beginning, i.e. from ?no existence? there would be ?existence?.
How? ?

Infinite is just an expression that means you can not find a border behind which there is ?no existence?, of that which you call infinite.
There is no old or young actually, there is only different states in which something exists.
We, humans, must have something to relate to, and therefore we use the expression that something/someone is old, but we actually mean old as compared to???..

To say that something is infinitely old is not possible because we can not compare infinite to something else, as there are no limits.
We can definitely say that the Universe is infinite, but not in time, as time is non-existent.
We may only observe everything in a certain state of changes, but when we observe it, it is gone. It is in another state of continuous changes.
When we say that something is ?old? it is already ?older?.

And that is an ?Absolute Truth. lol

Best regds

Ali Omar

Tay

Peace Truth,

Thank you for this beautiful analogy and explanation. I've always seen light and absence of light(darkness) as a perfect analogy for understanding "good" vs. "evil", but that's another story for another day.

My only contention with your post is that I feel you've taken liberties with your understanding of "absolute" and applied them universally.

This is not to say that you're understanding is wrong. In fact, it is perfect.

ab?so?lute
Perfect in quality or nature; complete.
Not mixed; pure. See Synonyms at pure.

Not limited by restrictions or exceptions; unconditional absolute trust.
Unqualified in extent or degree; total absolute silence

But you have not defined the pretext or a converse of this understanding, particularly, in relation to what you define as relativism.

Further, you've consequently put people in 2 categories those that believe in aboslute truth, and those that believe in relative truth.
This is a misnomer in that one can believe in both relative and absolute truth, even using the same example.

For instance "Music soothes the soul." This is relative to me, and absolute to me, but not absolute in relation to the universe, nor in relation to all music, as some music does quite the opposite. Therefore, it is a relative absolute truth, relative to me, and relative to the type of music. This does not make the statement a falsehood, as your explanation suggests.

Peace,
Tay

nishat

these posts are pretty good and keeping in with the tradition of philosophy.

Pretty awesome to see that people are engaging in philosophical discussions on this forum...I would be so glad to be able to contribute if I have the time one of these days

Someone

Peace all,

An example of absolute truth would be that "every soul will die" (2135, 2957).

The time of death is relative to each soul.

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David

Peace LoteTree, all,

I am not sure why you keep referring to "scripture" as "a truth", when you don't hold such a view in your statements.

To be more accurate to your views, you should say that you believe "scripture" to contain "some truth", or that it "was the truth".

peace