Pork is HALAL
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No worry at all. .
On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030) Those who have iman/fact/common sense and do natural actions, how few they are (like less than 50 out of ~ 8 billion peoples)! (3824)
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hopeless and I'll take the chance, at least I have my Allah proven as facts, and not some Santa Claus-like God in the sky .. who make fresh meat haram. "WHICH OF YOU IS MAD? 686" rotfl
They have no knowledge thereof. They follow but a guess, and verily, guess is no substitute for the truth/iman (ie. no iman = Hell, guaranteed). (532
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Slm Jkhan,
i am still at discovering / investigate fase ....
some of you dont agree with using the mind / intellect ... aka AQL to understand the Quran ....
little own experience that i had few years ago...
I bought fresh 3 kg chicken wings , i was shopping that thay while the weather was warm.. i put the wings in the car trunk (in the back of the car), i was 1 hour gone after 1 hour i went home ... put the wings in the refrigerator , and in the evening i prepared the wings ... while i was preparing , it stonk but it looked good .... i was in doubt, cause i bought it fresh and yet it smells .. so prepared and coocked anyway , the smell was gone and we ate it .... day after we we had trouble with our stomuch luckey not that much.... ( this i will never forget because of the smell of the chicken)
so some upsumming
- fresh meat --> halal
- but it stonk --> halal ??
- but it shown normal --->halal ??
- chicken meat is very weak---> still halal
now if i check the verses like MI does ....
===> and the meat / flesh
===> contaminated / magotty / rotten
===> seen / considerharam is the meat/flesh when you see that is contaminated / magotty / rotten ?
consider the contaminated / magotty / rotten meat/flesh as haram ?halal food can be rotten / contaminated is it still halal ???
like fish, all products from the sea is halal, but what happens to the fish when its not handled properly ?? heck in the past there were no refrigerator orso , not even fast vehicle .... how came the fish to them ?? the nearest sea is djedda and it 90 KM further .... how long does it toke to travell from djedda to mecca ??
so
what MI means no where in the Quran it says contaminated / rotten is haram .... so we can eat it .....
@Jkhan whats is wrong with energy ??
what is energy??? the energy what we think its energy is it still the same energy ??
Is Allah human-like, as He has eyes (Quran 2039, 3967), face (Quran 5527), hands (Quran 3967), and legs (Quran 68.42)
which is more likely ??? do you think Allah is like human, that we created to his image ?? no... only we know is what Quran tells us, like in Quran al-Ikhlas 112
why can not a mountain resist the presence of Allah? (Quran 7143 ) ?? its making sense if Allah is some kind of Energy... but the huge mistake we are making is , we think that we know what energy is ..... the biggest pitfall of our mind is we think we know much , but infact we dont know much, only what we are thought ... we will gain more knowledge if we are on the other side
Now let me ask Mahdi and Kaltun..... Do you take for all your guidance the Quran which is normally in everyone's hand or the oldest so called copies recently discovered from certain places miraculously? You should stick to one source.... Okay.. It's up to you...
Now the question is... If the current Day quran is wrong and some old Day manuscripts are right which was far from reach for 1400 years.... Then has God preserved His book to reach to people..? Isn't that shame on God we respect all these years... So for ages people of books jews and Christian (believers) knew that pork is prohibited in their books so does QURAN... Now suddenly God allowed pork and still in entire Muslim society that was not addressed at all.. Though all other critical topics were addressed and had difference of opinions from the main stream by at least a minor group... Strangly all sects in one decision saying pork haram... This pork issue always everyone was in ONE concerted opinion...
So you, Mr. Mahdi directly claim for the misguidance, the Root cause is Energy = Allah?
I know you won't answer logical questions... Simply paste some fancy pictures...If the current Day quran is wrong ?? who said its wrong .... is it not possible the copy went wrong ?? most of the Quran we held in our hands Originates of the year 1924 of cairo ...
Isn't that shame on God we respect all these years its up to you how you think , but i would not belittle Allahs way ... again we dont know much
but again JKhan if you say the earth is flat according to Quran and 90% is agains your opinion , who is right ???
if you say Salah is not namaz according to you , but 90% says its namaz who is right ???
in quran 434 tells it aloud to hit your woman and 90% beleaves this is written in the Quran are they right ??according to me the Quran is wrong translated, so the cup what i filled in all my years trew it empty and began refilling it again... again all options are open for me....
again what i say above is not the truth for me , i am openminded , so for me all options are open but i only except when its logical/wel explained/its provable... i urge everyone to read and own research, cause we can read and think ...otherwise you would not be here
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Kaltun you dragged me with your long post.... Let me answer for a final time...
I appreciate your interest in this thread... But strongly advice you not to hurry to lean to Mahdi nor anyone... I am sure you are aware of it... He could be 3751 for you....
I was discussing with my cousin in Adelaide today about Pork out of curiosity and I asked him to read this thread.... He read told me... It is prohibited... Argument is much strong for prohibition... I asked why.... Coz it is natural instinct when I was reading.. I asked is it coz you are brought up against pork... He said no.... And further bla bla... But he said a very strong point... No one argued saying whatever is mentioned in entire quran is all about animals... Whatever prohibitions... God never took a single word of prohibitions of fruits or vegetables... All concerned with animals... I thought of it... Yes... And said Yes again.... It is Yes... Dead animal... Yes.. Animal.. Blood.. Yes.. From animal... Whatever sacrificed (uhilla) to other than God... Yes.. Animal... And the most talking point laham khinzeer (only this vegetable and fruits and meat decayed)... Cannot be.... That is far from truth as per QURAN...
Further other additional prohibitions... 53
and killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you slaughter , and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Out of the basic four and in the above verse 53 can we see anything other than which is involved animals....
No way.... Dear brother Kaltun... I can understand the believers.. I undertood the first day I saw your messages... I still believe you are coz you are learning... But if you have decided that pork is halal... I can't help.. God help u with right choice..... That's my heartfelt wish..
If you felt the evidences I brought is weak and what Mahdi brought is strong... Then it is your option... No compulsion in Deen..... Take what you feel right....
All fellow believers... God has only touched the animals in the subject of prohibitions... Non other... Pls research using your wisdom.... Even in torah and Injeeel
Kaltun other topics.. Let's discuss in other threads..... Let's keep this topic for pork....
I don't have anything more to say.....
God guides whom He wills and God misguides whom He wills.... Who am I to intervene....
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I'm afraid that's not even close to counterargument.. it is fallacious argument (irrelevant) and dogmatic belief .. please improve...
Say, "This is my 'Islam'. 'Islam' is with proofs and evidences! I, as well as those who follow me, call you towards Allah / LordLaw of The Universe / LordLaw of Cause & Effect / LordLaw of Logic. He is the most High! I would never commit the sin of shirk ( = guesswork = dogmatic belief) . (1210
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Slm jkhan ,
thx for the reply ....
do i beleave pork is haram ==> dont know anymore
am i gonna eat pork ==> no ..... i do still think its bad meat .....
I appreciate your interest in this thread.
everything about the Quran is interesting to me, so if someone tries to explain , ill be on the first row... especially when it contradicts what i knew
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Yes ...
Why not? the flesh the swine?
two distinct consecutive definite nouns?
what you wrote doesn't mean "swine flesh"e.g. below doesn't mean "human magic"
2102 the humankind the magicnow if i check the verses like MI does ....
===> and the meat / flesh
===> contaminated / magotty / rotten
===> seen / considerdid you bother to read/understand my prior post?
no "the" flesh in word broken language/gibberish
likewise, no such word non-existent/gibberish
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two distinct consecutive definite nouns?
what you wrote doesn't mean "swine flesh"e.g. below doesn't mean "human magic"
2102 الناس the humankind السحر the magicthat's my point...
and I don't make the argument it mean "swine flesh", that's your argument.
my argument it "doesn't mean" swine flesh
Quote from Noon waalqalami on Yesterday at 051921 PM
again, broken language which comes out weird
incorrect missing الYes ...
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likewise, no such word يرِ non-existent/gibberish
https//dictionary.reverso.net/arabic-english/%D9%8A%D8%B1/forced
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that's my point...
and I don't make the argument it mean "swine flesh", that's your argument.
you have no point completely missed simple lesson keep suggesting broken language/gibberish.
nonexistent gibberish missing "the" -- "and flesh" (definite noun) the stinky (definite adjective)
again, post single example using any source ever written to support your gibberish argument?
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Does this make sense to you?
والخىل and the horses المسومه the branded
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and then...
ال + لحم the flesh الخنز the maggoty
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Does this make sense to you?
yes perfectly what part of "the" is not clear? and the horses
likewise, what part of no "the" is not clear? and flesh -
What about "the flesh" + "the maggoty"?
والخىل and the horses المسومه the branded
ال + لحم the flesh الخنز the maggoty
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What about "the flesh" + "the maggoty"?
yes that works (definite noun definite adjective)
no "the" flesh and therefore cannot be adjective!53 walahmu/and flesh (noun) l-khinziri/the swine (noun)
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therefore it is "broken language which comes out weird, incorrect missing ال "?
Quote from Noon waalqalami on Yesterday at 051921 PM
again, broken language which comes out weird
incorrect missing الYes ...
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PLUS after all that, and even you manage to argue on grammar alone...
you still have two or more areas to cover before you can call it the Quran (clear argument / clear proof / words of Allah NO NONSENSE, NO FALLACIES) ie.
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Sunnatullah (Law of Nature) <- still no argument on this
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Revelation (Natural Person) <- on grammar alone (disputed), no consistency on all verses and Books... where did Allah make haram maggoty and stinking foods etc? Is it HALAL?
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Tawba/align to Natural Values (is Natural Law, 7156-157, Hablun Minallah + Hablun Minannas / EARTH JURISPRUDENCE) <- still no argument on this
So how do you explain all these?
How can you prove consistency (Muhkamat)?
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But those in whose hearts is a sickness (unnaturalist) — It (the revelation) will only add doubt to their doubt, and they will die in a state of unbelief. (9125)
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you keep mindlessly ranting posting dumb spam!
again this is basic stuff which you or anyone can look at every occurrence written in qur'an or any text ever written/spoken at anytime in history and there is no such broken language gibberish!
definite adjective is always/must be preceded by a definite noun!
showed numerous examples and asked you to provide only one?stupid thread/topic although the above maybe useful to others.
bye!
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Do you then believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other? (285)
You reject verse 1117?
yes that works (definite noun definite adjective)
والخىل and the horses المسومه the branded
ال + لحم the flesh الخنز the maggoty
The #Strawman say, "We have iman." Say "You do not have iman." (4914)
On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030)
#wishful_thinking_is_one_thing_reality_another
#The_Unlettered
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Deal believers peace...
This topic suddenly went silent without even echo...
I thought another proof to strengthen the claim that khinzeer laham. Is not flesh/meat of decayed meat/fruits...if that is the meaning of laham khinzeer then we cannot include URINE of animals to it.. Coz its not laham.
In India and un few other countries they consider the urine of vows etc is holi and also healthy for for body...
Does God restrict it? For example Does the urine or excretes look laham khinzeer or they are better than that so God didn't mention of it...
Does God need to say about cleanliness and purification in choice. Didn't God say that He loves those who keep clean? So don't we have common sense to know not to consume decayed fruits or meats or the urine or Shit of animals...731-32 ?O children of Adam! wear your beautiful apparel at every place of prayer eat and drink but waste not by excess for God loves not the wasters. Say Who has forbidden the beautiful (gifts) of God, which He hath produced for his servants, and the things clean and pure (which He has provided) for sustenance? Say They are in the life of this world, for those who believe, (and) purely for them on the Day of Judgment. Thus do We explain the signs in detail for those who understand.?
2222 ?......... ...Surely God loves those who are most repenting, and loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.? could be mind and body....
Also 56 and 443
Point to note is... Those who say that meat of swine is lawful... Please tell me whether the urine of pigs lawful since laham khinzeer doesn't at all match for LIQUID? If urine and shits allowed then no point of making decayed / rotten meat /flesh of animal or fruits Haram....
Now at least think what is laham khinzeer....
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if that is the meaning of laham khinzeer then we cannot include URINE of animals to it.. Coz its not laham.
In India and un few other countries they consider the urine of vows etc is holi and also healthy for for body...
Does God restrict it? For example Does the urine or excretes look laham khinzeer or they are better than that so God didn't mention of it...
Does God need to say about cleanliness and purification in choice. Didn't God say that He loves those who keep clean? So don't we have common sense to know not to consume decayed fruits or meats or the urine or Shit of animals......
Point to note is... Those who say that meat of swine is lawful... Please tell me whether the urine of pigs lawful since laham khinzeer doesn't at all match for LIQUID? If urine and shits allowed then no point of making decayed / rotten meat /flesh of animal or fruits Haram....
Now at least think what is laham khinzeer....
God guide us...It's your problem, not mine.. do you understand the issue!? brickwall
My interpretation is "maggoty" and "STINKING".. or even contaminated.
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So my Quran / interpretation covers that urine and shit are HARAM...
and flesh does not describe meat alone.. but the substance, and what is "considered/ seen/ given due consideration/ treated/ contemplated /aforethought/ thought-through/ examined/ advised etc"...
Those who say "pork only" can drink urine and eat shit .. there is nothing in your Quran that says it is HARAM.. therefore "Do not say about what your lying tongues describe This is halal and this is haram 16116"
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This is the i'tiqad for Quran Alone... and the hadith corroborates well with your interpretation... it is HALAL! rotfl
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It's your problem, not mine.. do you understand the issue!? brickwall
My interpretation is "maggoty" and "STINKING".. or even contaminated.
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So my Quran / interpretation covers that urine and shit are HARAM...
and flesh does not describe meat alone.. but the substance, and what is "considered/ seen/ given due consideration/ treated/ contemplated /aforethought/ thought-through/ examined/ advised etc"...
Those who say "pork only" can drink urine and eat shit .. there is nothing in your Quran that says it is HARAM.. therefore "Do not say about what your lying tongues describe This is halal and this is haram 16116"
https//www.dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/drinking-camel-urine-600x358.png
This is the i'tiqad for Quran Alone... and the hadith corroborates well with your interpretation... it is HALAL! rotfl
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophagia#Humans
Peace all...
Hey strawman?.
First of all I didn?t address to you in my previous thread specifically to you to break your head on the wall and to say what you said ?It's your problem, not mine.. do you understand the issue!? I addressed to everyone who still believe that Pork is lawful? I wonder there is anyone who likes to eat pork and drink pig milk if he is a believer..?be exemplary to others..? or in addition to that urine
Okay .. let me turn to you this time exclusively to you with an answer?
YOUR INTERPRETATION WILL NOT INCLUDE URINE OR SHIT OF ANIMALS? Let me explain the URINE? Remember I explain this not to convince you but to expose you and your hypocrisy to those who have knowledge and those who are believers and still probably feel inclined and motivated to what you say without knowing to them? coz of your fancy spam posts?
Don?t change what you have already mentioned in your threads? Just go back and see what you have posted in your Very first thread? Unless you change that also? Screenshot will work?
Your First thread
You only came up with the meaning for
Laham = Meat.. meanwhile for Khinzeer = Maggoty / Stinking
Then later?
Laham (became)= Meat +Flesh(of plants)
Now (it turned to)
Laham = Meat + Flesh(plants) + Urine + etc..+ etc..+ etc.. + ++ and all covered.. lol
So initiated the meaning of Laham al Khinzeer = MAGGOTY / STINKING MEAT? that was your claim first..
Now Laham al Khinzeer = Maggoty / Stinking / contaminated Meat + (flesh of plants) + Urine + shits
Now as per your hypocrisy
So to make these things to be restricted by God, you say God used the wording of Laham al Khinzeer?.You think God doesn?t know how to explain a simple things? simply God would have said All decayed/rotten/ polluted foods/things (solid+liquid) haram or in much better way than anyone can even grasp?
since Laham is included in the verse to express the meaning which is a solid thing then it must include LIQUID as well? food is after all SOLID+LIQUID = FOOD
At least if your claim is Maggoty / stinking / contaminated foods (solid+liquid) THEN which can include (decayed meat, contaminated water, contaminated milk and juice + wastes of animals-urine +shits etc etc..) ?.then claim is meaningful.. But your claim is not that?your interpretation doesn?t include LIQUID? LIQUID is not a part of the phrase of God in which He prohibited by saying ??Laham al Khinzeer????
Since God only has mentioned Laham and the other word is only Khinzeer which doesn?t say liquid but only maggoty/stinking .. God didn?t use the Arabic word for LIQUID to explain this particular restriction? but only laham which is not liquid by any means? unacceptable..
So your claim cannot be included urine here..Fallacy exposed..
As per your all alterations from the beginning to now? it stands as under..
Laham al Khinzeer is Maggoty / Stinking / contaminated Meat + (flesh of plants) AND NOT LIQUIDS such as urine?.So as per your claim urine should be considered halal? Your interpretation cannot include urine which is liquid..
Btw that?s a very hilarious picture for those who are deep rooted with hadith? post it in any Hadith forums? that would help you? meantime your interpretation is also matching with the hadith which commands to drink camel urine?try it out?be the man of what he speaks.. without knowing to you, you have interpreted the Laham al Khinzeer as such?