** Why in prophet Nuh's ship every two kinds
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Slm all,
@Goodlogic
same verse on islamawekenedAnd We carried him on (ark) made of planks and nails, https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/54/13/
Sailing before Our eyes, a reward for (he) who was denied,https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/54/14/some say rope, oakum, palm- fibre, caulking ect
@TellMeTheTruth
interesting toughts , only plants? probably edible plants..but no mentioning seeds ? hmm -
Salam Kaltun!
I have reconsidered it. See below
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036036 Immaculate is He who has created all the kinds of what the earth grows, and of themselves, and of what they do not know.Salam!
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They are messengerS.
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Even among few of the members who commented here on this topic have variety of opinions, but they all believe in Quran if I am right? It indicates that quran is a book which needs to be studied a lot to come to exact meaning of what God intended? So let?s research .. that?s is the best option?
@ GL and all who consider it was local flood?..
Local flood is what you have perceived with the verses? fine.. hope your door is not closed for an alternative option such as world wide.. but my side the weight is more for worldwide? but definitely door is not shut for opinions of local?
Questions?.
In a local flood, can we expect waves like Jabal(mountain/hill/whatever) looks huge compared with something which is huge..so it?s huge.. the flood started on the earth and the ship was kept on the land and not on the sea.. no such clarifications in quran? Such a local flood and still it was a great SIGN?being a local flood a Great Sign??? To have waves like mountains how high the earth should be filled with water as well to surpass the high mountains?.
When Noah?s son told I would betake myself by reaching to a high mountain? But Noah said this day NO PROTECTION?. So, Noah?s son and others would be eying the highest of mountains around in their area (unless there is no mountain Noah?s son won?t say be take in a mountain.. so there were mountains) .. So those mountains couldn?t save anyone including Noah?s son in case anyone reached there..? So we can imagine this ship definitely has reached beyond all those altitudes by not colliding those mountains? simply well above floating?
Further when Noah said NO PROTECTION THIS DAY. then completely no protection, Noah knew what they didn?t know? Is that look like a local flood?. Can we imagine any flood which goes beyond mountains which we can call as local?
Reason for water Gush forth from / underneath the earth?? While normally and usually raining from sky?. Is the water from the sky not sufficient to flood the local flood..? let?s discuss later about the doors of sky?
While having local flood, can?t they find any living thing in the place they landed (Judi)? Is Judi an Alien place for them, if the flood was local..? Coz Judi must be known place for Noah and the people boarded with him since it was only a local flood and reached to a place bit far from their current place, Judi? Be it animal birds or plants of two kind? Won?t they find in Judi? Even if Noah took two kind of each suppose rooster and hen? If they don?t find any rooster and hen in the area Judi, can they eat the rooster? Or how long they have to wait till hen lay egg and then chicks come out.... or cow? how long Noah?s people have to wait to consume meat of cow coz they can?t slaughter neither male or female? if so what is the point of bringing two genders? even plants.. what would they do with it.. How do they immediately know genders of plant??instruction when water gush forth only board two of each kind.. Definitely even the Place Judi also under destruction unless they won?t land there with a ship? Can?t they find any plants in JUDI? plant is too far from my understanding? let?s hope it is only animal? they landed with the animals? it is far from reality that they can consume meat of any animal with what they took with? unless they found animals in Judi?.if in fact animals were there in Judi.. no point of taking them as well?..
Why local flood and under OUR EYES (God + other) the ship was built for a local flood? When God wants to destroy locally He normally evacuate the believers from there simply asking them to leave the place? example Prophet Lot and his family?. Once evacuated the place is under destruction? So Noah had very few believers with him as per Quran, they could have been ordered to leave the place with their cattle and belongings to a place far where the flood was to be taken place? But that was not the option? instead God destroyed all animals even the cattle of disbelievers and their number was majority? Even we can imagine with the destruction of Lot community, God never given such instruction to Lot saying take two kinds of each or your cattle BUT only with the believers?. Of course God knows where Lot is dispatched and the place they reach is habitable?. So Judi was not habitable, while Noah prayed to God let this ship land on a blessed place? Blessed place is not habitable void of animals and plants?
Is there any place in the quran that says that God created all the living thing before human? of course Jinn was created before human? God created the earth and heavens with purpose and human and jinn plays the major part and in fact everything for these two? So all animal are in fact required to be created even before the human community is well spread? Or that rest of the creation took place after the great Deluge? Why we need to conclude that during the period of Noah before the deluge took place there were all animals of current world has?. Based on what? or during Noah period on very limited cattle and etc were around which and god ordered to take them to keep their existence since he doesn?t want to create them anew same as human being? if Noah people is the only community around in the entire world from that only human being spread? why can?t we think same way to animal.. and rest of the animals apart from what is living in water only or even sky? Couldn?t the two kinds of each were very limited what was living around Noah?s place?
Claim of flood is local is much welcome with Quran and common sense?for further study..God guide us..
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Salam GL!
I have given reference ayats which talk about plants only.
Nowhere is used a word for animals.
Why not Humans? Who were ? Only Noah's 3 sons? How then new humans came into the being?well brother / sister...
good point... let's stick with quran... then let's stick always.. from where three sons came to picture... Did you forget that the disbelievers of Noah's community says that meanest among us believed in you... so who are those meanest? weren't they boarded in the ship since they were believers.... ? if i am not mistaken that was Noah's community who raising that question... correct me.. coz i didn't verify the verse only with memory wrote it...
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well brother / sister...
good point... let's stick with quran... then let's stick always.. from where three sons came to picture... Did you forget that the disbelievers of Noah's community says that meanest among us believed in you... so who are those meanest? weren't they boarded in the ship since they were believers.... ? if i am not mistaken that was Noah's community who raising that question... correct me.. coz i didn't verify the verse only with memory wrote it...
Further do you say that Zawjain can never be animals? let's explore that also..peace
since i didn't verify earlier.. i verified now.. it is verse 1127 and further 2915 also speak of companions (ashab) ... these two verses are sufficient to prove that with Noah not only his immediate family but considerable number of believers were around and they should definitely would have been in the ship... but always majority is doomed ... -
Salam!
Have you ever checked it? Hope it would be helpful
https//www.defendingthechristianfaith.org/noah-flood-stories-worldwide.html -
Dear Jkhan!
There WERE other creations before Adam sent to the Earht
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002029 He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth, and He directed Himself to the heaven, so He made them complete seven heavens, and He knows all things.After creating everything 'for you', He completed seven heavens.
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031010 He created the heavens without pillars as you see them,
(2)and put mountains upon the earth lest it might convulse with you,
(3)and He spread in it animals of every kind;
(4)and We sent down water from the cloud,
(5)then caused to grow therein (vegetation) of every noble kind.A few stages of creation.
018050 And when We said to the angels Make obeisance to Adam; they made obeisance but Iblis (did it not). He was of the jinn, so he transgressed the commandment of his Lord. What! would you then take him and his offspring for friends rather than Me, and they are your enemies? Evil is (this) change for the unjust.
018051 I did not make them witnesses of the creation of the heavens and the earth, nor of the creation of their own souls; nor could I take those who lead (others) astray for aiders.No one (Malaika, Iblis, Adam) witnessed the creation of the Heavens and the earth.
May Allah bless and guide us all!
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Salam!
011048 It was said O Nuh! descend with peace from Us and blessings on you and on the nations from among those who are with you, and there shall be nations whom We will afford provisions, then a painful punishment from Us shall afflict them.
011049 These are announcements relating to the unseen which We reveal to you, you did not know them-- (neither) you nor your people-- before this; therefore be patient; surely the end is for those who guard (against evil)._
006038 And there is no animal that walks upon the earth nor a bird that flies with its two wings but (they are) genera/nations like yourselves; We have not neglected anything in the Book, then to their Lord shall they be gathered.May Allah bless and guide us all!
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Peace Jkhan.
A local flood can be devastating as well. Like a local Tsunami ,waves will be like mountains.
It just depends on the size of the flood.Peace TellMeTheTryth.
It cannot be humans "two of a kind" only will mean some believers will be left behind!GOD bless you both.
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Peace GL!
I thought about it already but notice that is used twice. First one is for those who were Noah/Nuh. The other may mean birds and animals for whome provisions were being afford specifically.
Hope you think again.
May Allah bless and guide us all!
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Peace Jkhan.
A local flood can be devastating as well. Like a local Tsunami ,waves will be like mountains.
It just depends on the size of the flood.Peace TellMeTheTryth.
It cannot be humans "two of a kind" only will mean some believers will be left behind!GOD bless you both.
Peace.Peace brother GL....
Pls pls don't compare Tsunami with this... I have seen Tsunami with my own eyes... Even though it was first time ever in life... I knew there is much chances of escape if people were intelligent... Srilanka is a country devasted by it... It's waves never looked like mountains... Waves only were waves when it reached to the shores... Thats acceptable with the speed it can and the shore is elevated of course from the death of sea...
You can't neglect the point that Noah son told I will be take to a mountain and Noah reply this day No protection... Tsunami absolutely protection... And there is escape from that wave if the person can swim and float and it depends on the shore it reaches...
Non of the Noah community were able to swim or float or hold on to a tall tree.. Lol.. When mountain fails what is tree.... It was not a sudden. Incident like tsunami... It was well informed thing... Non had any pre-planned effort to evade it.. Coz they knew Noah was building a ship for days and they were mocking...
And the water was not all of a sudden. It came gush forth from earth and sky... During that time Noah could board his people and two kinds... So this period the DISBELIVERS could have sought a way out.. Looking at the situation but.. No chance was given... No mountains saved them... Do you get what is it... Never compare it to a local tsunami... Tsunami is nothing with wording quran of Noah's flood... Remember even the tsunami waves was powerful to drag any powerful mighty cruise it were on the shore.... Then imagine how mighty Noah's ship.... Tsunami waves was powerful throw away a traim to 100s of meters away.... Imagine the flood which went beyond mountains... No one could escape but only those who were on the ship.... -
Dear Jkhan!
There WERE other creations before Adam sent to the Earht
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002029 He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth, and He directed Himself to the heaven, so He made them complete seven heavens, and He knows all things.After creating everything 'for you', He completed seven heavens.
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031010 He created the heavens without pillars as you see them,
(2)and put mountains upon the earth lest it might convulse with you,
(3)and He spread in it animals of every kind;
(4)and We sent down water from the cloud,
(5)then caused to grow therein (vegetation) of every noble kind.A few stages of creation.
018050 And when We said to the angels Make obeisance to Adam; they made obeisance but Iblis (did it not). He was of the jinn, so he transgressed the commandment of his Lord. What! would you then take him and his offspring for friends rather than Me, and they are your enemies? Evil is (this) change for the unjust.
018051 I did not make them witnesses of the creation of the heavens and the earth, nor of the creation of their own souls; nor could I take those who lead (others) astray for aiders.No one (Malaika, Iblis, Adam) witnessed the creation of the Heavens and the earth.
May Allah bless and guide us all!
Salam
By the verse 3110 we are not in a position to say God created all the animals when he created the Earth... When god says one after another doesn't mean it was the order of creation... Suppose if God created all daabba first and then only created all plants... No... All dabba need to eat and they need water to drink... For sure God created the heavens. And earth in six days.... It doesn't mean his creations are over... It doesn't mean he created every living within that six days... For me I strongly believe He still creates... Not the repetition. I mean... But new creation...take example of 2164 it is not the order actually... -
Peace jkhan.
What I am saying it was a big enough flood to cover the whole region including mountains .
Watrer from above and water gushing from under meat up and covered the lot.
Just because floods are not that big now, it does not mean that local flood was not.
Qoran tells us it was.
GOD bless you.
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Salam
By the verse 3110 we are not in a position to say God created all the animals when he created the Earth... When god says one after another doesn't mean it was the order of creation... Suppose if God created all daabba first and then only created all plants... No... All dabba need to eat and they need water to drink... For sure God created the heavens. And earth in six days.... It doesn't mean his creations are over... It doesn't mean he created every living within that six days... For me I strongly believe He still creates... Not the repetition. I mean... But new creation...take example of 2164 it is not the order actually...No doubt that Allah is still creating which we do not know. However, my point was that the necessary things for the use of Adam were created first and then Adam was sent to the earth. Numbering of Stages of creation does not suggest that one thing was done first or the two things were created at once but see that Allah can create anything by saying "Kun" but still it took 6 days to create Heavens and Earth and what is in between them. So there were stages of creation for sure.
Peace!
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Peace jkhan.
What I am saying it was a big enough flood to cover the whole region including mountains .
Watrer from above and water gushing from under meat up and covered the lot.
Just because floods are not that big now, it does not mean that local flood was not.
Qoran tells us it was.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Brother
Take the basic of basic physic... "water keeps it's level "...
To cover tallest mountains first it should fill the lower lands.
Why the sea or river has basin I mean depth and shallow areas to hold the water in it by keeping the water from the surface level... -
1140 "Until, when Our command came, and the Oven boiled, We said, 'Embark in it two of every kind, and thy family -- except for him against whom the word has already been spoken and whosoever believes.' And there believed not with him except a few."
I would like to study and argue and have the knowledge shared... Pls comment your opinions...
Why Nuh was commanded to take two in all kind...?
Isn't there two in all the place he landed?
What is the simple purpose of taking those two kinds and leaving the rest....?
Let's explore... I think many things can be unearthed....
If there is any previous threads discussed link them as well...
God guide us...Peace jkhan
Yeah if you have your animals you should take two of every kind.
Isn't there two in all the place he landed?
uh-huh, but they do not belong to him, they may belong to someone else.
no need of being unprepared or taking chances, so take your own.peace
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Peace jkhan
Yeah if you have your animals you should take two of every kind.
uh-huh, but they do not belong to him, they may belong to someone else.
no need of being unprepared or taking chances, so take your own.peace
Dear Brother Hawk...
In my book you are a decently intelligent guy looking at what you perform in this forum...... but this looks sooooo funny.....
the most funniest answer of this topic... someone else's rotfl sorry for the emoji...
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Peace all
Animals of someone else?. Still I am laughing ? lol?.. is it your weakness to grasp the impact of the flood or you are convinced as local flood without permitting your mind for the option of worldwide deluge by perceiving it many vistas? whatever it is .. let me explain you a point of JUDI HAVING ANIMALS and not Noah?s?
Water came gush forth from the earth? that?s a very key point note pls? whatever the Judi is be it a mountain or a land?. The ship of Noah has to travel to Judi to land there?. Judi must be a place safe to land void of depth water? since the ship was propelled towards Judi the final destination, then Judi also must have been under water and all animals must have died? Now God orders once Ship reaches to a point where it needs to be landed, ? Earth to swallow it?s water?Why? Coz earth gushes water extraordinarily ?. And then to Sky to hold the water?. Now hope matter comes to end.. how? Ship was on the surface of water and water from sky ceased? and the earth stopped gushing water.. Now when the sources of filling the earth with water is rooted out? so water will slowly reduce?. In normal flood water will look for the sea by passing through rivers to make the flood level go down if not the water will hang around for days and evaporates and dry off.. but here order was to the earth was to swallow / suck the water? Sea can?t help in this case, coz it is fully flooded entire earth? Sea level also would have definitely risen since the water passed beyond high mountains? these two words are key only appears once ib'la = swallowaqli = withhold 1144
So in Judi ship was slowly going down? not as ship cast away to a shore after tsunami or great flood? But This ship is fully loaded and most wanted groups are boarded in and they need to land safe?. And not caste away to a shore? This sucking of water by earth really helps for the ship to come down towards the earth peacefully? and also at the start gushing forth of water from earth also was a great assistance for the ship to go forward as a propeller?
So when they landed in Judi, can we expect animals or any living thing on the place of Judi unless it is a creature living in water or water+earth?.. Just explore it with much more angle rather than simply say to one of the greatest of Signs for alamin from God to nothing?
God guide us...