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    Noon_waalqalami
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    You mean to say by presenting the above verse that the community of Noah local and there were other contemporary communities in the world .... Proof pls...

    how many communities?

    638 and not of creature in the land and not flyer (birds, etc.) flyed with wings two its except umamun/communities (pl.) likeness you not neglect we of in the book of thing furthermore to lord theirs gathered being

    1148 stated O noah descends in peace from us and blessings upon you and on umamin/communities (pl.) from whom with you wa-umamun/and communities (pl.) shall we give enjoyment them furthermore touched them from us punishment dire

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      Okay.. Thank you... handshake

      So for you to decide local what are those animals by name pls?

      Good brother you answer a question with a question nope
      Are you suggesting that Noah had two polar bears from the
      north pole, two kangaroos from australia, two tigers from India,
      amani rabbit and sika deer from Japan, the andean condor from
      south America, the brown bear from north America. So according
      to you someone went to all of these places, captured male and female
      of each, brought them back from these distant places & loaded
      them on the ark, while all other mammal drowned, returned the
      kangaroos to Austalia, the polar bears to the north pole, the tigers
      to India (oh boy), brother I am not happy to bring this to you, try
      to think more critically on your own, do not accept without reflection,
      don't be quick to pick a side. handshake The global flood is
      biblical not Quranic.

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        Good brother you answer a question with a question nope
        Are you suggesting that Noah had two polar bears from the
        north pole, two kangaroos from australia, two tigers from India,
        amani rabbit and sika deer from Japan, the andean condor from
        south America, the brown bear from north America. So according
        to you someone went to all of these places, captured male and female
        of each, brought them back from these distant places & loaded
        them on the ark, while all other mammal drowned, returned the
        kangaroos to Austalia, the polar bears to the north pole, the tigers
        to India (oh boy), brother I am not happy to bring this to you, try
        to think more critically on your own, do not accept without reflection,
        don't be quick to pick a side. handshake The global flood is
        biblical not Quranic.

        Brother Hawk
        Either you didn't read my threads or you don't have time... So you are claiming away from argument... I never said entire animals of the earth...

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          Brother Hawk
          Either you didn't read my threads or you don't have time... So you are claiming away from argument... I never said entire animals of the earth...

          Sooooooo what happens in your opinion to all the mammals that
          are not on the ark?

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            how many communities?

            638 and not of creature in the land and not flyer (birds, etc.) flyed with wings two its except umamun/communities (pl.) likeness you not neglect we of in the book of thing furthermore to lord theirs gathered being

            Other than men and Jinn no other community is irrelevant to the incident... coz i claim Noah people were only one community and they were human.. and not animals...I am talking about human... we know animals also community but they are created for us, unless God won't let us eat them..

            1148 stated O noah descends in peace from us and blessings upon you and on umamin/communities (pl.) from whom with you wa-umamun/and communities (pl.) shall we give enjoyment them furthermore touched them from us punishment dire

            peace to all.....

            Has any support from that to say that there were Umma-community/nation/group/followers before Noah.. at least something like below.. No?
            1330
            Thus have We sent you to a community before which communities have passed on so you might recite to them that which We revealed to you, while they disbelieve in the Most Merciful. Say, "He is my Lord; there is no deity except Him. Upon Him I rely, and to Him is my return."
            The verse reads clearly
            1148 Noah was told, "Get down from the Ark. Your Lord's peace and blessings are upon you and your followers. Your Lord will grant favors to other nations and then afflict them with a painful torment."
            Ummamin here is the followers or groups of Noah who believed? Though they in one nation there would have been different type?Did God bring Many Nations with him in the ship who he doesn?t know even? NO? Nuh was sent to an area where many a people lived (seems like large group of people who practices idolworship) out of them many believed but majority doomed?.
            In the same verse, ?Your Lord WILL GRANT favors ?. Means in the future (sanumattiuhum) God will not do a same type of destruction but God will favor them but painful torment will afflict them while having the favors?even on this world and hereafter..
            1073 And they denied him, so We saved him and those with him in the ship and made them successors (khalifa), and We drowned those who denied Our signs. Then see how was the end of those who were warned.
            As we all know this is the main reason God created Human and Jinn to place (Successors) Khalifa?Successors from the community of Noah.. No other community?

            and upon them, and on the ships, you are borne.2322
            And We sent Noah to his people; and he, said, 'O my people, serve God! You have no god other than He. Will you not be godfearing?"2323
            The above verses shows we are people who are carried / borne coz of the ship which was saved?immediately after the ship, then Noah appears in the next verse is clear indication..
            26119 So We saved him and those with him in the laden ship.
            37140 heavily loaded or weighed down. (why Younus was thrown out.. isn?t it coz it was loaded heavily)
            What is the meaning of Laden ship? Why it should be called ?mash?huun? (laden -heavily loaded or weighed down)
            Look at the below undeniable glaring verse?
            3641 And an Ayah (sign) for them is that We bore their offspring in the laden ship .
            Who are these offspring who were carried in a laden ship? Are we not from those who were saved in the ship of Noah?.what else you want as proof? And what is your claim to prove it was local?....

            3642 and We have created for them the like of it whereon they ride;

            What the incident of Noah made for us, is that from Noah history created we were given the knowledge to build ships to travel through the surface of the water? all for our benefit?No ship almost things are impossible now..
            All well planned by God?
            God guide us..

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              @ jkhan

              is it mention in quran it was not local flood but global?

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                imrankhawaja
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                Good brother you answer a question with a question nope
                Are you suggesting that Noah had two polar bears from the
                north pole, two kangaroos from australia, two tigers from India,
                amani rabbit and sika deer from Japan, the andean condor from
                south America, the brown bear from north America. So according
                to you someone went to all of these places, captured male and female
                of each, brought them back from these distant places & loaded
                them on the ark, while all other mammal drowned, returned the
                kangaroos to Austalia, the polar bears to the north pole, the tigers
                to India (oh boy), brother I am not happy to bring this to you, try
                to think more critically on your own, do not accept without reflection,
                don't be quick to pick a side. handshake The global flood is
                biblical not Quranic.

                i wana add more

                the pairs what he never carry in his ship get vanished from earth example

                dinosaurs.

                fire dragons of ?games of thrones? (brother hawk i m in love with that dragon queen do you lol)

                snaky vampires (salma hayek) ?from dust till dawn? ( once i loved her too haha).

                giants of easter island

                bonnies from gulliver travels.

                all creations were present before Global flood. noah left risky things in flat earth. !

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                  Peace All.

                  The legend of Noah is funny. Here is a preferable funny version( It is true honest!)

                  Building the Ark.

                  And the Lord spoke to Noah and said "In six months I'm going to make it rain until the whole earth is covered with water and all the evil people are destroyed. But I want to save a few good people, and two of every kind of living thing on the planet. I am ordering you to build Me an Ark."

                  And in a flash of lightning he delivered the specifications for an Ark. "OK," said Noah, trembling in fear and fumbling with the blueprints. "Six months, and it starts to rain," thundered the Lord. "You'd better have my Ark completed, or learn how to swim for a very long time." And six months passed. The skies began to cloud up and rain began to fall.

                  The Lord saw that Noah was sitting in his front yard, weeping. And there was no Ark. "Noah," shouted the Lord, "where is my Ark?" A lightning bolt crashed into the ground next to Noah.
                  "Lord, please forgive me!" begged Noah. "I did my best. But there were big problems. First I had to get a building permit for the Ark construction project, and your plans didn't meet code. So I had to hire an engineer to redraw the plans. Then I got into a big fight over whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system. My neighbors objected, claiming I was violating zoning by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission.

                  Then I had a big problem getting enough wood for the Ark because there was a ban on cutting trees to save the Spotted Owl. I had to convince U.S. Fish and Wildlife that I needed the wood to save the owls. But they wouldn't let me catch any owls. So no owls.
                  Then the carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National work Relations Board before anyone would pick up a saw or a hammer. Now we have 16 carpenters going on the boat, and still no owls.

                  Then I started gathering up animals, and got sued by an animal rights group. They objected to me taking only two of each kind. Just when I got the suit dismissed, EPA notified me that I couldn't complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your proposed flood. They didn't take kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of a Supreme Being.

                  Then the Army Corps of Engineers wanted a map of the Proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe.
                  Right now I'm still trying to resolve a complaint from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission over how many Croatians I'm supposed to hire, the IRS has seized all my assets claiming I'm trying to avoid paying taxes by leaving the country, and I just got a notice from the state about owing some kind of use tax. I really don't think I can finish your Ark for at least another five years," Noah wailed.

                  The sky began to clear. The sun began to shine. A rainbow arched across the sky. Noah looked up and smiled. "You mean you're not going to destroy the earth?" Noah asked, hopefully.
                  "No," said the Lord sadly, "Governments on earth are already doing it for me."

                  I mean it is true the story is funny!
                  GOD bless.
                  Peace.

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                    Brother jkhan.
                    I hope you enjoy this summary of the bible(unfortunately only Noah s wife is mentioned in it) . Oh ,there are no animals in it.

                    The Bible According to Kids

                    The following statements about the Bible were written by children and have not been retouched or corrected (i.e., bad spelling has been left in.)

                    In the first book of the Bible, Guinesses, God got tired of creating the world, so he took the Sabbath off.Adam and Eve were created from an apple tree.Noah's wife was called Joan of Ark because Noah built the ark, which the animals came to in pears.Lot's wife was a pillar of salt by day, but a ball of fire by night. The Jews were a proud people and throughout history they had trouble with unsympathetic Genitals.Samson was a strong man who let himself be led astray by a Jezebel like Delilah. Samson slew the Philistines with the axe of the Apostles. Moses led the Hebrews to the Red Sea, where they made unleavened bread, which is bread without any ingredients.

                    The Egyptians were all drowned in the dessert. Afterwards, Moses went up to Mount Cyanide to find the ten commandments. The first commandment was when Eve told Adam to eat the apple. The seventh commandment is "Thou shalt not admit adultery".
                    Moses died before he ever reached Canada. Then Joshua led the Hebrews in the battle of Geritol. The greatest miracle in the Bible is when Joshua told his son to stand still and he obeyed him.
                    David was a Hebrew king skilled at playing the liar. He fought with the Finkelsteins, a race of people who lived in Biblical times.Solomon, one of David's sons, had 300 wives and 700 porcupines.

                    When Mary heard that she was the mother of Jesus, she sang the Magna Carta. Then the three Wise Guys from the east arrived and found Jesus in the manager.
                    Jesus was born because Mary had an Immaculate Contraption. St. John, the blacksmith, dumped water on his head. Jesus enunciated the Golden Rule, which says do one to others before they do one to you. He also explained that "Man does not live by sweat alone". It was a miricle when Jesus rose from the dead and managed to get the tombstone off the entrance.

                    The people who followed Jesus were called the 12 decibles. The epistles were the wives of the apostles. One of the opossums was St. Matthew who was also a taximan. St. Paul cavorted to Christianity. He preached the holy acrimony, which is another name for marriage.A Christian should have only one spouse. This is called monotony.

                    Sorry about the off topic brother. I just do two in one when I found this story as well.
                    GOD bless you.
                    Peace.

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                      SEX of some species we have to check through microscope.

                      i wonder how noah managed to check the ?sex?of more than one million species hmm

                      or may b gabi bring a poweful microscope for NOAH here u go noah god send this microscope for you to check the sex of every species either its male or female. rotfl

                      DRAWBACK what happened with unisex plants/animals ? yes

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                        good_logic
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                        Brother Imran.
                        I was just about to go and do my prayer when your post arrived. ( No not the "follow closely one)
                        I hope I can hold myself together, I am laughing laughing so much.

                        GOD bless you.
                        Peace.

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          Brother Imran.
                          I was just about to go and do my prayer when your post arrived. ( No not the "follow closely one)
                          I hope I can hold myself together, I am laughing laughing so much.

                          GOD bless you.
                          Peace.

                          i have an idea GL u are following me and hawk closely in liking dragon queen. shez fire lmao rotfl

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                            imrankhawaja
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                            guys point to be noted

                            why always things get twisted even in FUN.

                            herez a myterious part started.

                            900 -1000 years( solar/lunar/sumerian) whatever are more than enough to gather every species from all parts of world. hmm

                            Author select two words for YEAR/s in 29 14 both words used for one equation things are bit tricky here. its like this

                            answer = ( how many years and which one A or b in final step of equation) ?

                            A is year named as Sanatin
                            B is year named as Aman

                            apart from noah is there is anybodys else ? AGE ? mention with NUMBERS ?

                            author/s of bible also have somewhat similar age figure for NOAH hinting towards possible plagarism as per they calimed although like arabic we have to see the greek or hebrew version of bible for correct interpretation.

                            its due to a reason only noah age is mentioned in Quran the style of quran is not like telling exact age and dates of events/things/persons in numbers.

                            NOAH is exception which is worth pondering

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                              Peace dear believers....
                              Let's research more.. What is more evidence than self perceptions....

                              1958 "Those were the ones upon whom Allah bestowed favor from among the prophets of the descendants of Adam and of those We carried with Noah, and of the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and of those whom We guided and chose. When the verses of the Most Merciful were recited to them, they fell in prostration and weeping."

                              26105 "The people of Noah denied the messengers" ....

                              2537 " And the people of Noah - when they denied the messengers, We drowned them, and We made them for mankind a sign. And We have prepared for the wrongdoers a painful punishment" ...

                              Note well Not 'A' Messenger but three or more Messengers as per grammar..

                              The reason I presented the above verses is coz we are the people from the decendants of NOAH.. Of course we are children of Adam... But after the deluge it is we are the decendants of Noah... That's what in 1958 God says.... And of those we carried with Noah...thats a sign that Noah's community was single in the earth...
                              But in the same verse God says " ,,,, from among the prophets of the descendants of Adam... "" if in this verse only mentioned Adam, we can imagine we all children of Adam so prophets are from Adam only... But there is something other than. That here.. Coz Noah, Ibrahim, isreal etc...mentioned... Actually though Adam was not prophet NOAH was... Noah was in fact a messenger... But he was not the only messenger in his extended 1000 years of life.... That's why I brought the verses of 2537 and 26105 ..in them it is very clear that including Nuh there were three or more messengers duirng the time of Nuh... But nuh was the icon among them and as per QURAN it is clear.. He is the leading role... Same as among musa and harun musa take the leading role... So we can imagine that community is not a small one... To send multiple messengers it must have been big in numbers out of a big community ... So in the laden ship there would have been many people... So with all their household items and day to day stuff for long voyage and the animals around at that time were very limited creations and they also inside the boarded ark.. So must have been definitly laden ship....

                              2914 "And We certainly sent Noah to his people, and he remained among them a thousand years minus fifty years, and the flood seized them while they were wrongdoers."

                              If some one living 950 years among his people then and we can imagine that life expectancy of that one community is much higher... Some say twisting words no one lives such long periods... Sana is years... No one can deny....
                              BTW Noah didn't live 950 years... But 1000 years.. Note the verse 2914 carefully.... His community is actually two parts... He lived among the community before the great deluge 950 years... Then God says then the flood seized them (community) so after flood Noah didn't die immediately but he landed in Judi... So the balance 50 he would have lived in Judi... That's not the entire community he spent 950 years.. That's doomed.. That's devasted.... That's why God says 1000-50... 50 years in new place for Noah to see lots of decendants.... It is the second part of Noah...
                              Noah and his history is a great sign with meaning...
                              Let's seek guidance in truth....

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                                imrankhawaja
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                                brother did you read my last post ?

                                see equation what YEARS u r talking atleast two words used by author here.

                                let Brother NOON see that post he will come with nice findings i havnt study (calculations) in detail how to calculate like shares in inheritence and science of years/days etc.

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                                  jkhan
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                                  peace to all.....

                                  Has any support from that to say that there were Umma-community/nation/group/followers before Noah.. at least something like below.. No?
                                  1330
                                  Thus have We sent you to a community before which communities have passed on so you might recite to them that which We revealed to you, while they disbelieve in the Most Merciful. Say, "He is my Lord; there is no deity except Him. Upon Him I rely, and to Him is my return."
                                  The verse reads clearly
                                  1148 Noah was told, "Get down from the Ark. Your Lord's peace and blessings are upon you and your followers. Your Lord will grant favors to other nations and then afflict them with a painful torment."
                                  Ummamin here is the followers or groups of Noah who believed? Though they in one nation there would have been different type?Did God bring Many Nations with him in the ship who he doesn?t know even? NO? Nuh was sent to an area where many a people lived (seems like large group of people who practices idolworship) out of them many believed but majority doomed?.
                                  In the same verse, ?Your Lord WILL GRANT favors ?. Means in the future (sanumattiuhum) God will not do a same type of destruction but God will favor them but painful torment will afflict them while having the favors?even on this world and hereafter..
                                  1073 And they denied him, so We saved him and those with him in the ship and made them successors (khalifa), and We drowned those who denied Our signs. Then see how was the end of those who were warned.
                                  As we all know this is the main reason God created Human and Jinn to place (Successors) Khalifa?Successors from the community of Noah.. No other community?

                                  and upon them, and on the ships, you are borne.2322
                                  And We sent Noah to his people; and he, said, 'O my people, serve God! You have no god other than He. Will you not be godfearing?"2323
                                  The above verses shows we are people who are carried / borne coz of the ship which was saved?immediately after the ship, then Noah appears in the next verse is clear indication..
                                  26119 So We saved him and those with him in the laden ship.
                                  37140 heavily loaded or weighed down. (why Younus was thrown out.. isn?t it coz it was loaded heavily)
                                  What is the meaning of Laden ship? Why it should be called ?mash?huun? (laden -heavily loaded or weighed down)
                                  Look at the below undeniable glaring verse?
                                  3641 And an Ayah (sign) for them is that We bore their offspring in the laden ship .
                                  Who are these offspring who were carried in a laden ship? Are we not from those who were saved in the ship of Noah?.what else you want as proof? And what is your claim to prove it was local?....

                                  3642 and We have created for them the like of it whereon they ride;

                                  What the incident of Noah made for us, is that from Noah history created we were given the knowledge to build ships to travel through the surface of the water? all for our benefit?No ship almost things are impossible now..
                                  All well planned by God?
                                  God guide us..

                                  Some asking privately the verse 3641 is a proof.... At least some are opening eyes...

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                                    Some asking privately the verse 3641 is a proof.... At least some are opening eyes...

                                    what has to do with topic or that it was a local flood?
                                    you never answered what happened to land animals?
                                    likewise, you believe penguins antarctic are all fake?

                                    https//www.youtube.com/results?search_query=penquins+antartic

                                    3613 and strikes for them similitude of companions the town ...
                                    3641 and sign for them indeed we carry we of dhurriyyatahum/progeny (offspring) theirs in the ship the fraught being

                                    5726 and surely sent we of noah of and abraham and made we of in dhurriyyatihim/progeny (offspring) theirs dual the prophet-hood/enlightenment and the book (writ/scripture) so among them guided and much among them so disobeying

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                                      what has to do with topic or that it was a local flood?
                                      you never answered what happened to land animals?
                                      likewise, you believe penguins antarctic are all fake?

                                      https//www.youtube.com/results?search_query=penquins+antartic

                                      3613 and strikes for them similitude of companions the town ...
                                      3641 and sign for them indeed we carry we of dhurriyyatahum/progeny (offspring) theirs in the ship the fraught being

                                      5726 and surely sent we of noah of and abraham and made we of in dhurriyyatihim/progeny (offspring) theirs dual the prophet-hood/enlightenment and the book (writ/scripture) so among them guided and much among them so disobeying

                                      You didn't read my threads I guess.. You entered frim somewhere in between .
                                      I clearly said God disn't create all the animals that's around now when the great deluge tool place... Only very very very limited which Noah took to his ark.. That Noah only knew... Whatever we see Now is after deluge.. Be it penguins, or seagull or kiwi or kangaroo or whatever...

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                                        I clearly said God disn't create all the animals that's around now when the great deluge tool place... Only very very very limited which Noah took to his ark.. That Noah only knew... Whatever we see Now is after deluge.. Be it penguins, or seagull or kiwi or kangaroo or whatever...

                                        https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/31/vers/11/handschrift/56

                                        https//i.postimg.cc/FsnKzNCY/ch31v10-15.jpg

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                                          https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/31/vers/11/handschrift/56

                                          https//i.postimg.cc/FsnKzNCY/ch31v10-15.jpg

                                          Now it confirms You have not read every thread and still questioning... We already discussed this verse 3110 earlier..
                                          God created Heavens and Earth.. Yes in six days... But it doesn't mean he created everything... For example human.. Did God create all humans when he created the heavens and Earth and spread.. No.. . Same animals... He spread... And he created is totally Different to spread. By any of the verses you can't say that God created all the animals within that six days... No proof...

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