Marriage verses in Qur'an

jkhan

@jkhan brother,

I don't know, I guess it's a general question that also affects me personally...

No I meant that some sunnis are of the opinion that muslim men are not allowed to marry modern day christians because they worship Jesus and in the past they didn't....I meant there is no evidence that most christians back then did not worship jesus (I'm of the opinion based on quranic verses that they did have the holy trinity even back then).

However I do believe that SOME christians do not worship Jesus, but let's be honest, most seem to be catholic (at least where I'm from)...so it's hard to find one that doesn't worship jesus...

Wait so my question to you is, do you consider modern day christians 'believers' even if they believe in the Holy Trinity and worship Jesus?

Keep reading dear Sarah..
Keep developing... Guidance will flow...
BTW.. Yes there are Christians who doesn't take Jesus as Lord and I have two friends in my place of working. .they never go to church but they believe in one God who is not Jesus...and against trinity. But they don't practice anything like we.. But of course so lots of charity. God guide them.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

The argument // main premise

Definition of the "Deen"
Defintion of "Mushrik"

The definition of Mushrik...

• So set your face firmly towards the Deen as a pure natural believer Allah"s natural pattern on which He made mankind. There is no changing Allah"s creation . That is the true Deen — but most people do not know it .

• Turning to Him only, and be careful of your duty to Him and establish salat (duty to align our nature with NATURE). Do not be among the mushrikeen those who split up their deen/way of life (naturally, Sunnatullah Alone), and form into sects (religism, political jurisprudence), each one happy with their own belief.

(3030-32)

So set your face firmly towards the Deen, as a pure natural believer, Allah's natural pattern on which He made mankind. There is no changing Allah's creation. That is the true Deen — but most people do not know it. Turning to Him only, and be careful of your duty to Him and establish salat. Do not be among the mushrikeen those who split up their Deen, and form into sects, each one happy with their own belief. (3030-32)

(3030-32)

So let's prove the i'tiqad (creed) for the Quran Alone followers is not within verse 3030-32....

ISSUE How is the "i'tiqad (creed)" for the Quran Alone followers is within the argument of "the Deen, as a pure natural believer, Allah's natural pattern (upright)"?

Explain...

Sarah

@huruf,

You are right i think I mistakenly misquoted 55 by not quoting everything it says...I'll try to edit that...

You make a good point, maybe God only mentions you can marry the women of book before you etc. because he's reminding the men of the duty of dowry...I never thought of it like this before...

I have a question for you, do you think Christians who worship Jesus are allowed to be married? If yes, why? Do you consider them idolators/ mushriks or even rejectors/ kafirs?

Sarah

@ amin,

but mushrik comes from the word shirk right?

Shirk means associating partners with God, even if you're a peaceful human or not...

So wouldn't hindu for example especially be an idol worshipper/ mushrik?

Sarah

The argument // main premise

Definition of the "Deen"
Defintion of "Mushrik"

So set your face firmly towards the Deen, as a pure natural believer, Allah's natural pattern on which He made mankind. There is no changing Allah's creation. That is the true Deen — but most people do not know it. Turning to Him only, and be careful of your duty to Him and establish salat. Do not be among the mushrikeen those who split up their Deen, and form into sects, each one happy with their own belief. (3030-32)

So let's prove the i'tiqad (creed) for the Quran Alone followers is not within verse 3030-32....

ISSUE How is the "i'tiqad (creed)" for the Quran Alone followers is within the argument of "the Deen, as a pure natural believer, Allah's natural pattern"?

Explain...

first off, you never replied to all of my QUESTIONS to you...

Well...what do you mean by 'pure, natural, believer'? GIVE ME YOUR DEFINITION....

What is your issue with a person who follows the Qur'an alone? How is this wrong????

I think I kind of already answered that by saying...we don't worship idols, we don't follow scholars, we dont follow hadith = all the sects etc. we are NOT s sect, just 'pure' believers in the qur'an...again, how is this wrong?

It seems you're just arguing for for the sake of arguing...except for bringing up the 'mushriks with the split up the deen' point, you're not maknig any other points. You're just ASSUMING that quran alone followers are not pure, are not following the laws of God which I see ZERO PROOF of.

Please explain what your issues are with following the Quran alone, how is it different to how you follow?

Mahdi_Ibrahim

I think I kind of already answered that by saying...we don't worship idols, we don't follow scholars, we dont follow hadith = all the sects etc. we are NOT s sect, just 'pure' believers in the qur'an...again, how is this wrong?

So you cannot prove your "I'TIQAD" is consistent with verse 3030-32.

Therefore, muSHRIK.

ie. Kafir of the SUNNATULLAH (Way of Allah = Law of Nature; "Allah's natural pattern", and nature is always natural/logical in everything it does... the "i'tiqad" for the Quran Alone followers are always for the unnatural/illogical... ie. Nature + Unnature = Unnature)

Validity (Law of Nature) + Truth (Natural Person) = Soundness (Natural Law)
Natural + Natural = Natural <- Pure Natural Believers
Natural + Unnatural = Unnatural
Unnatural + Natural = Unnatural
Unnatural + Unnatural = Unnatural

no further argument.

Sarah

@Mahdi Ibrahim,

' the "i'tiqad" for the Quran Alone followers are always for the unnatural/illogical'

by i'tiqad you mean creed right?

If you really wanna show what you think is the right way, why don't you explain to me what I'm doing wrong? How is following the Qur'an alone unnatural/ illogical? Because right now I have no idea how you reached that conclusion...

You keep pointing out verses with the word 'natural' but you don't really explain what you mean by this?

So how do you live you life? Do you pray, do you give charity? Are these natural?

I'm not here to argue that I'm better, I'm here because I HONESTLY want to know but you don't explain your points...

If I'm unnatural/ illogical...please give me some EXAMPLES of what I'm doing wrong/ illogically....I don't understand what you mean right now so I need examples...

Mahdi_Ibrahim

How is following the Qur'an alone unnatural/ illogical?

It is without cause and effect, without proof and evidence, and life value from moral relativism or forced justice... it is not from natural justice... it is not universal.

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Say, "This is my "Islam". "Islam" is with proofs and evidences (NATURAL // CERTAINTY // IMAN)! I, as well as those who follow me, call you towards Allah/Sunnatullah/Way of Allah/LordLaw of Nature/Proofs & Evidences. He is the most High! I would never commit the sin of shirk (muSHRIK.. ie. without proof and evidence.. but guesswork and speculation // UNNATURAL // UNCERTAINTY // LIES)!" (1210

Apart from the TRUTH (NATURE), what else is there, except LIES (UNNATURE)? (1032)

They are only following their GUESS (UNNATURE), and they only tell LIES. (1066)

They follow but a GUESS (UNNATURE); and surely GUESS (UNNATURE) does not substitute for the TRUTH (IMAN) at all. (532

ie. no iman at all = muSHRIK.

God's Truth.
Satan's Lies.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

The definition of Human Shaytan

Shaytans from both mankind and from the jinn, who inspire each other (religism) with delusions (unnatural) by means of specious words (guesswork, fallacies, "without proof and evidence&quot — if your LordLaw (of Nature) had willed, they would not have done it, so abandon them and all they fabricate (forced justice, political jurisprudence). (6112)

Traits of Human Shaytan (muSHIRK)

• religism / schism

• delusional (characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder)

• fallacious / unnatural / illogical / "without proof and evidence" / guesswork

• against Sunnatullah / LordLaw of Nature

• forced justice

So set your face firmly towards the Deen, as a pure natural believer, Allah's natural pattern on which He made mankind. There is no changing Allah's creation. That is the true Deen — but most people do not know it. Turning to Him only, and be careful of your duty to Him and establish salat. Do not be among the mushrikeen those who split up their Deen, and form into sects, each one happy with their own belief. (3030-32)

Quran Alone followers are not Mushrik? >D

#Wishful_Thinking_Is_One_Thing_Reality_Another

Mahdi_Ibrahim

men can marry women who are believers but also women who were given the book before you? I assume this means Christians and Jews...sunni muslims-

muslims (ecological citizens) can marry those who follow Saint Thomas Aquinas // Catholic (ecological citizens)... that's what it means, regardless of their religions/gods etc... both have the same LordLaw, ONE SAME GOD.. .ie. The Sunnatullah / Way of Allah / Nature's God.

Provided they must agree with this condition

He made all gods same god. (385) (... is against the QURAN ALONE FOLLOWERS)

IF God
THEN Nature's God (regardless of religion, all truth is Allah's TRUTH)
ELSE Shaytan

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Other main conditions; 364 and 568 etc.

Sarah

The definition of Human Shaytan

Shaytans from both mankind and from the jinn, who inspire each other (religism) with delusions (unnatural) by means of specious words (guesswork, fallacies, "without proof and evidence&quot — if your LordLaw (of Nature) had willed, they would not have done it, so abandon them and all they fabricate (forced justice, political jurisprudence). (6112)

Traits of Human Shaytan (muSHIRK)

• religism / schism

• delusional (characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder)

• fallacious / unnatural / illogical / "without proof and evidence" / guesswork

• against Sunnatullah / LordLaw of Nature

• forced justice

Quran Alone followers are not Mushrik? >

#Wishful_Thinking_Is_One_Thing_Reality_Another

Technically, you are a Qur'an alone follower since you don't believe in hadith...

And what's with the devil smiley emoji every time?

I read some of your websites, apparently you're the founder of a movement...in other words, a SECT...

The whole Qur'an repeatedly reminds that God is one God...some verses say NOBODY can compare to Him...

You seem to say that there is no God because God is light/ energy therefore, it's everywhere and in everyone (if I understand your views correctly).

However, God is like nothing and nobody else...

Mahdi_Ibrahim

nope.. I'm an animist... I believe in the Hadith, I believe in Hinduism, I believe in Buddhism, I believe in Satanism, I believe in all religions, 2,000,000 denominations and 320,000,000 gods and make no distinction in TRUTH.... there is no god HIGHER THAN TRUTH (LordLaw of Nature... Math + E + Ism)...

Truth (Nature) is my God.

My religion is Quranic ANIMISM and I am the Sunnatullah ALONE Muslim..

My theology is Matheism Jurisprudence (Madhab) ....

Sarah

@Mahdi Ibrahim,

'And they wonder that there has come to them a warner from among themselves. And the disbelievers say, "This is a magician and a liar.' 384

'Has he made the gods one God? Indeed, this is a curious thing."' 385

'And the eminent among them went forth, , "Continue, and be patient over your gods. Indeed, this is a thing intended.' 386

As you can see, you took 385 out of CONTEXT...this is a magician and a liar is obviously referring to a messenger or prophet God sent...then the disbelievers are asking 'Has he made the gods only one God?'....as in has the messenger replaced their idol worship concept with the idea of worshiping one God...

Mahdi_Ibrahim

Did the Messenger of Allah make all gods one god?

this is a magician and a liar is obviously referring to a messenger or prophet God sent....

Traits of a Messenger of Allah...

Sarah

nope.. I'm an animist... I believe in the Hadith, I believe in Hinduism, I believe in Buddhism, I believe in Satanism, I believe in all religions, 2,000,000 denominations and 320,000,000 gods and make no distinction in TRUTH.... there is no god HIGHER THAN TRUTH (LordLaw of Nature... Math + E + Ism)...

Truth (Nature) is my God.

My religion is Quranic ANIMISM and I am the Sunnatullah ALONE Muslim..

My theology is Matheism Jurisprudence (Madhab) ....

It is illogical to believe in all religions because religions contradict each other...

Mahdi_Ibrahim

because religions contradict each other...

I call that insanity / being brainwashed ... and Hasty Generalization (religism/schism)

Hasty generalization is an informal fallacy of faulty generalization by reaching an inductive generalization based on insufficient evidence—essentially making a rushed conclusion without considering all of the variables. for the same TRUTH// "He made all gods same god. (385)"

and because God has no religion.

The only religion (deen) is Natural Way of Life (is without religion / no monopoly)

The Sunnatullah...

Sarah

Did the Messenger of Allah make all gods one god?

Traits of a Messenger of Allah...

Muhammad Sarwar They say, "Has he condemned all other gods but One? This is certainly strange". 385

condemn verb
con?demn | \ kn-dem
condemned; condemning; condemns
Definition of condemn
transitive verb

1 to declare to be reprehensible, wrong, or evil usually after weighing evidence and without reservation
a policy widely condemned as racist

Has he condemned (declare to be wrong) all other gods but One?....

All other gods are wrong except one.

Mahdi_Ibrahim

Word by word...

Has he made the gods one god. Indeed this certainly a thing curious.

ie. SAME ( = ONE) GOD.

Muhammad Sarwar They say, "Has he condemned all other gods but One? This is certainly strange". 385

condemn verb
con�demn | \ kən-ˈdem
condemned; condemning; condemns
Definition of condemn
transitive verb

1 to declare to be reprehensible, wrong, or evil usually after weighing evidence and without reservation
a policy widely condemned as racist

Has he condemned (declare to be wrong) all other gods but One?....

All other gods are wrong except one.

It it is the Kafir declared the Messenger to be wrong etc....

So what's your point?

The Messenger is the Kafir, and the Kafir is the Muslims?

Has the Reminder (OF ONE GOD) been sent down to him (ALONE) out of all of us?´ They are in doubt about My Reminder (OF ONE GOD // NATURE'S GOD). They have yet to taste My punishment. (358 )

No one ever heard of ONE GOD, or Islam has been twisted!? lol

Sarah

Word by word...

Has he made the gods one god. Indeed this certainly a thing curious.

It it is the Kafir declared the Messenger to be wrong etc....

So what's your point?

The Messenger is the Kafir, and the Kafir is the Muslims?

My point is....'Has he made the gods one god?' means,'
Has he condemned (declare to be wrong) all other gods but One?' The latter being the clearer translation imo

Basically the messenger/ prophet CONDEMNED their FALSE 'gods' and believed in ONE God...

Truth is a concept NOT a God...to say truth is your God just means you value truth above all else...but GOD is a REAL BEING, not just a concept...

Mahdi_Ibrahim

according to the twisted translation to make Islam as a Religion...

but inconsistent with...

Word by word...

Indeed this certainly a thing curious.

the context and the word by word translation... One God, Sunnatullah etc...

We have iman in what has been sent down to us (about Natural Law ONLY // MUHKAMAT) and what was sent down to you (about Natural Law ONLY // MUHKAMAT... ACCORDINGLY). Our God and your God is the same and we submit to Him (Nature's God // Sunnatullah ALONE Muslim). (2946)

He made all gods same god. (385)

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