Marriage verses in Qur'an
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Did the Messenger of Allah make all gods one god?
Traits of a Messenger of Allah...
Muhammad Sarwar They say, "Has he condemned all other gods but One? This is certainly strange". 385
condemn verb
con?demn | \ kn-dem
condemned; condemning; condemns
Definition of condemn
transitive verb1 to declare to be reprehensible, wrong, or evil usually after weighing evidence and without reservation
a policy widely condemned as racistHas he condemned (declare to be wrong) all other gods but One?....
All other gods are wrong except one.
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Word by word...
Has he made the gods one god. Indeed this certainly a thing curious.
ie. SAME ( = ONE) GOD.
Muhammad Sarwar They say, "Has he condemned all other gods but One? This is certainly strange". 385
condemn verb
con�demn | \ kən-ˈdem
condemned; condemning; condemns
Definition of condemn
transitive verb1 to declare to be reprehensible, wrong, or evil usually after weighing evidence and without reservation
a policy widely condemned as racistHas he condemned (declare to be wrong) all other gods but One?....
All other gods are wrong except one.
It it is the Kafir declared the Messenger to be wrong etc....
So what's your point?
The Messenger is the Kafir, and the Kafir is the Muslims?
Has the Reminder (OF ONE GOD) been sent down to him (ALONE) out of all of us?´ They are in doubt about My Reminder (OF ONE GOD // NATURE'S GOD). They have yet to taste My punishment. (358 )
No one ever heard of ONE GOD, or Islam has been twisted!? lol
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Word by word...
Has he made the gods one god. Indeed this certainly a thing curious.
It it is the Kafir declared the Messenger to be wrong etc....
So what's your point?
The Messenger is the Kafir, and the Kafir is the Muslims?
My point is....'Has he made the gods one god?' means,'
Has he condemned (declare to be wrong) all other gods but One?' The latter being the clearer translation imoBasically the messenger/ prophet CONDEMNED their FALSE 'gods' and believed in ONE God...
Truth is a concept NOT a God...to say truth is your God just means you value truth above all else...but GOD is a REAL BEING, not just a concept...
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according to the twisted translation to make Islam as a Religion...
but inconsistent with...
Word by word...
Indeed this certainly a thing curious.
the context and the word by word translation... One God, Sunnatullah etc...
We have iman in what has been sent down to us (about Natural Law ONLY // MUHKAMAT) and what was sent down to you (about Natural Law ONLY // MUHKAMAT... ACCORDINGLY). Our God and your God is the same and we submit to Him (Nature's God // Sunnatullah ALONE Muslim). (2946)
He made all gods same god. (385)
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Again, taking the verse OUT OF CONTEXT....you're making it seems as if 'He has made all gods the same God' (AND you leave the question mark out on purpose, it should be quoted as,'Has he made the gods one God?...'...how deceitful can a person like you get?) is a literal fact when it is in fact a RHETORICAL QUESTION FROM THE DISBELIEVERS TOWARDS THE MESSENGER/ PROPHET WHOM THEY ARE DISAGREEING WITH...
rhetoricalDictionary result for rhetorical
/rtrk(əl/Submit
adjective
1.
relating to or concerned with the art of rhetoric.
"repetition is a common rhetorical device"
synonyms stylistic, oratorical, linguistic, verbal
"the skilful use of such rhetorical devices like metaphor"
2.
(of a question) asked in order to produce an effect or to make a statement rather than to elicit information.Read the 2nd definition...
You're trying to fool us into taking the verse/s out of context....I'm done because your motive seems to be to keep ignoring the correct context...
Goodbye
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What is your context?
Which universe?
Aliens? >D
My context = Nature & Nature's God... "He made all gods same god. 385"
IF God
THEN Nature's God (SAME GOD)
ELSE Alien's Religion >D + >D + >D ....delusional
characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality (NATURE) or rational argument (NATURE), typically as a symptom of mental disorder ( = muSHRIK).
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What is your context?
Which universe?
Aliens? >
My context = Nature & Nature's God... "He made all gods same god. 385"
IF God
THEN Nature's God (SAME GOD)
ELSE Alien's Religion > + > + > ....delusional
characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality (NATURE) or rational argument (NATURE), typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
Context of the SURROUNDING VERSE and surrounding verses of 385 in order to understand 385...
You are very immature trying to change the subject, PRETENDING YOU DON'T KNOW I'm referring to the context of the verse and randomly asking, context of the universe...GROW UP
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you add your own words to the Quran and I'm changing the context?
No corroborative evidence and cherry picking..
Do you then believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other? (285)
personal opinion and against REALITY / NATURE / delusional = insane ...
What kind of argument is this?
and it is correct.. .
Alien's Religion (ie. muSHRIK)
Do not be among the mushrikeen those who split up their Deen, and form into sects, each one happy with their own belief. (3030-32)
"without proof and evidence"...
= Quran Alone followers.
no merit, and no further argument...
God exists since nature is consistent, and the Devil exists since we cannot prove it(s nonsense // insanity).
The definition of Human Shaytan
Shaytans from both mankind and from the jinn, who inspire each other (religism) with delusions (unnatural) by means of specious words (guesswork, fallacies, "without proof and evidence" — if your LordLaw (of Nature) had willed, they would not have done it, so abandon them and all they fabricate (forced justice, political jurisprudence). (6112)
Traits of Human Shaytan (muSHIRK)
• religism / schism
• delusional (characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder)
• fallacious / unnatural / illogical / "without proof and evidence" / guesswork
• against Sunnatullah / LordLaw of Nature
• forced justice
Quran Alone followers are not Mushrik? >D
#Wishful_Thinking_Is_One_Thing_Reality_Another
Quran ALONE?
so much for wishful thinking... "GROW UP!" rotfl
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No one on earth can do this except the Messenger ... by Allah's blessings, chosen to stand up against the nonsense of 7+ billion peoples ... >
and it is proof of Messengership
and proves how history repeats itself...
And they were surprised that a warner (Mahdi Ibrahim) has come to them from among themselves. And the rejecters (Quranist etc) said
"This (Mahdi Ibrahim) is a magician, a liar (Why? Because...).
Has he (Mahdi Ibrahim) made the gods same god.
This is indeed a strange thing!
And the (Quranist etc) leaders among them went out
"Walk away, and remain patient to your gods.
This thing can be turned back.
We never heard of this (ONE/SAME GOD) from the people (of AROB / Muhammadism) before us.
This is but an innovation."
"Has the remembrance (of ONE GOD) been sent down to him (Mahdi Ibrahim ALONE), from between all of us (Quranists / Muslims / etc)!?"
Indeed, they are doubtful of My reminder (of ONE NATURE'S GOD // SUNNATULLAH ALONE // NO RELIGISM = Bigot). Indeed, they have not yet tasted My retribution. (385-
IF no god
THEN same god
ELSE gods (shirk)god hates no one except bigots rotfl
Bigot = ByGod (religism / "each one happy with their own belief" -> divide & conquer)
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Peace/salaam
Just to get back to the original topic my advice would be to try not to make things too complicated for yourself. If someone claims to believe in one God (like the majority of Muslims, Christians and Jews) them who are we to say they are idolators. That's God's judgement based upon what's in their hearts and what their circumstances, understanding is. A kafir is someone who rejects and who covers up the truth. I wouldn't say that the majority of Christians and Jews today fall under the category of kafirs referred to in the Qur'an considering that they have been fed such a distorted image of what islam and the Qur'an is.
I guess the question goes back to... who really is a believer?
"And they say never will one enter the garden except he be a Jew or a Christian. That is their wishful thinking. Say 'Bring your proof of you are truthful.',
"Yes, whosoever turns his face towards God and is a doer of good, for him is his reward with his Lord and no fear shall be upon them nor shall they grieve." (Qur'an 2111-112).So if someone submits their face towards God and does good, you have your suitable candidate.
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Slm Mahdi Ibrahim,
i love the way you expressing yourself here, i slowly collect and print your drawings , beatifull are they
sorry had to laught on this ....
And they were surprised that a warner (Mahdi Ibrahim) has come to them from among themselves. And the rejecters (Quranist etc) said
"This (Mahdi Ibrahim) is a magician, a liar (Why? Because...).
Has he (Mahdi Ibrahim) made the gods same god.
This is indeed a strange thing!
And the (Quranist etc) leaders among them went out
"Walk away, and remain patient to your gods.
This thing can be turned back.
We never heard of this (ONE/SAME GOD) from the people (of AROB / Muhammadism) before us.
This is but an innovation."
so quranist are also wrong way of sunnatallah , and what do you follow ?? hadiths also ? or are you explaining only from the Quran ??
why would God/Allah sent an warner now ??
is the judgementday soon according to you ?if yes how long do we have ??
again , are you visited by angels ? because every prophet were visited or touched by devine being ? right ... and you did they come to you also ?
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laugh
so quranist are also wrong way of sunnatallah
Yes. Kafir of the Law of Nature (Sunnnatullah)... it's in their i'tiqad.
and what do you follow ?? hadiths also ? or are you explaining only from the Quran ??
My God is TRUTH... There is no god higher than Truth... regardless of religions and gods
why would God/Allah sent an warner now ??
Climate change and the sixth mass extinctions.... and so that His punishment is justified.
Your Lord never destroys cities without FIRST SENDING A RASUL/FINAL in their midst, reciting to them OUR SIGNS. (2859)
We send Our command/Final Rasulullah to (warn) its people living a life of ease but they act rebelliously in it. So the decree of punishment is justified, and We destroy it utterly. (1716)
is the judgementday soon according to you ?if yes how long do we have ??
There is no city We will not destroy BEFORE THE DAY OF RISING, Or punish with a terrible PUNISHMENT. (17.5
the time need for the "terrible punishment".. but the door of tawba will be closed forever before the "terrible punishment".. no more tawba, soon.
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again , are you visited by angels ? because every prophet were visited or touched by devine being ? right ... and you did they come to you also ?
irrelevant, that's not the burden and standard of proof from the Quran...
the standard and burden of proof is "sound argument"... natural person vs. mental disorder.
IF you have doubts about what We have sent down to Our slave
(Our LordLaw proves that We are Messengers 3616)
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produce another sura (argument for "Law" / "Jurisprudential System" equal to it
and call your witnesses, besides Allah / Sunnatullah / Law of Nature
if you are telling the truth.
IF you do not do that (counterargument)
and you will not do it
THEN fear the Fire whose fuel is people and stones,
made ready for the kafirun.
(223-24)
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Slm MI ,
My God is TRUTH... There is no god higher than Truth... regardless of religions and gods
what truth ?? from the Quran ??
i mean, i dont speak Quran- Arabic ( heck no arabic at all), i am trying to solve Quran message . .and now you telling me i am walking the wrong path ( like 17)
so should i trow the Quran away ?? if yes how can i find the truth ???
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what truth ?? from the Quran ??
Nature...and about the Quran.. .
That depends on how you define the Quran... without the #strawman fallacy.
Muslim is THE STRAWMAN
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610498.msg422356so what is Quran Alone? police
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Mushrik is ... Logical + Illogical (Natural + Unnatural)
Kafir is.. Illogical... (completely Unnatural)
and from Mushrik -> Kafir
The definition of Kafir...
As for those who are kafir, it makes no difference to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not have iman (in Nature / in EcoLogic / LordLaw of Nature = Way of Allah / Sunnatullah). (2;6)
So he then become a Kafir, and not a Mushrik....
When he "make distinction" or reject the Messenger not mention in the Quran...
He become a True Kuffar (384 , 4150-151 .. completely religism)
regardless of what he believe...
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Sister Sarah,
Say I was a young lady looking for a husband and met brother Mahdi?!!!
Well I will see the scenario of me not being able to say a word to him without proving it.
On the other hand he will win every argument.Brother Mahdi do not take this post seriously ,it is just a hypothesis. Just an example.
Being a believer or non believer may be important , but the character and compatibility should also be another priority.
GOD bless you.
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Ibrahim was
• neither a Jew (creature of Book of Grammar/Tradition) = mental slavery
• nor a Christian (creature of emotion) = mental slavery
• but he was an upright Muslim (creature of ecoLOGIC // UNLETTERED) = FREEDOM
• He was not one of the idolaters (creature of popularity) = mental slavery
(367)
I don't want to be good anymore, I want to be right/straight path. laugh
Bob Marley – Redemption Song Lyrics
from album Uprising (1980)
Old pirates, yes, they rob I;
Sold I to the merchant ships,
Minutes after they took I
From the bottomless pit.
But my hand was made strong
By the 'and of the Almighty.
We forward in this generation
Triumphantly.
Won't you help to sing
This songs of freedom
'Cause all I ever have
Redemption songs;
Redemption songs.Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery; <- THE UNLETTERED
None but ourselves can free our minds. <- THE UNLETTERED
Have no fear for atomic energy, <- creature of emotion
'Cause none of them can stop the time. <- THE UNLETTERED
How long shall they kill our prophets, <- THE UNLETTERED
While we stand aside and look? Ooh! <- mental slavery / MENTAL DEATH 12105
Some say it's just a part of it
We've got to fullfil the book. <- creature of Book of Grammar/Tradition; 6835-37Won't you help to sing <- THE UNLETTERED
This songs of freedom- <- THE UNLETTERED
'Cause all I ever have <- THE UNLETTERED
Redemption songs;
Redemption songs;
Redemption songs./Guitar break/
Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but ourselves can free our mind.
Wo! Have no fear for atomic energy,
'Cause none of them-a can-a stop-a the time.
How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look?
Yes, some say it's just a part of it
We've got to fullfil the book.
Won't you have to sing
This songs of freedom? -
'Cause all I ever had
Redemption songs -
All I ever had
Redemption songs
These songs of freedom,
Songs of freedom.sorry, but you build your own prison...
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@Good logic,
Just to let you know, my question was not directed at anyone here...just a general question about how quran only muslims can get married and the consequences of marrying a non quran only muslim...
Do you think we are allowed to marry christians who believe in the holy trinity? There was a qur'an alone website that said Christians who uphold the holy trinity commit shirk therefore they're a mushrik and not suitable for marriage...do you agree Good Logic? What's your stance on this?
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Peace/salaam
Just to get back to the original topic my advice would be to try not to make things too complicated for yourself. If someone claims to believe in one God (like the majority of Muslims, Christians and Jews) them who are we to say they are idolators. That's God's judgement based upon what's in their hearts and what their circumstances, understanding is. A kafir is someone who rejects and who covers up the truth. I wouldn't say that the majority of Christians and Jews today fall under the category of kafirs referred to in the Qur'an considering that they have been fed such a distorted image of what islam and the Qur'an is.
I guess the question goes back to... who really is a believer?
"And they say never will one enter the garden except he be a Jew or a Christian. That is their wishful thinking. Say 'Bring your proof of you are truthful.',
"Yes, whosoever turns his face towards God and is a doer of good, for him is his reward with his Lord and no fear shall be upon them nor shall they grieve." (Qur'an 2111-112).So if someone submits their face towards God and does good, you have your suitable candidate.
wassalam,
I agree that karfir means rejector...but one of the verses pertaining to marriage using the Arabic word ',mushrik' doesn't mean rejector...mushrik means someone who commits shirk from my understanding...
Christians who worship Jesus commit shirk...
I'm curious what you think about this...?