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Who can prove I'm not Imam al-Mahdi? =;>

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    good_logic
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    Peace Mahdi
    You are in for a treat. I told you I will prove your logic is upside down and your argument changes every post and every thread.

    You thing we are fools, let us see who the fool is

    This following proof kills your argument
    Statement S(n) In any group of n people, everyone in that group is Imam Mahdi.
    Proof
    In any group that consists of just one person, everybody in the group is Imam Mahdi, because after all there is only one person!

    Therefore, statement S(1) is true. Follow on

    The next stage in the induction argument is to prove that, whenever S(n) is true for one number (say n=k), it is also true for the next number (that is, n = k+1).

    We can do this by (1) assuming that, in every group of k people, everyone is Imam Mahdi; then (2) deducing from it that, in every group of k+1 people, everyone is Imam Mahdi.

    Let G be an arbitrary group of k+1 people; we just need to show that every member of G is Imam Mahdi.

    To do this, we just need to show that, if P and Q are any members of G, then they are also Imam Mahdi.

    Consider everybody in G except P. These people form a group of k people, so they must all be Imam Mahdi(since we are assuming that, in any group of k people, everyone is Imam Mahdi).

    Consider everybody in G except Q. Again, they form a group of k people, so they must be all Imam Mahdi.

    Let R be someone else in G other than P or Q.

    Since Q and R each belong to the group considered in step 7, they are Imam Mahdi.

    Since P and R each belong to the group considered in step 8, they are Imam Mahdi.

    Since Q and R are Imam Mahdi, and P and R are Imam Mahdi, it follows that P and Q are also Imam Mahdi

    We have now seen that, if we consider any two people P and Q in G, they are Imam Mahdi. It follows that everyone in G is Imam Mahdi

    The proof is now complete we have shown that the statement is true for n=1, and we have shown that whenever it is true for n=k it is also true for n=k+1, so by induction it is true for all n.

    Since everyone -n- is Imam Mahdi ,I must be Imam Mahdi.
    You cannot be Imam Mahdi because you do not belong to any group. To you all groups are mad ,deluded and retards.
    Hence proven beyond any doubt that your logic is upside down. FALSE.
    GOD bless you brother.
    Peace.

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      Since everyone -n- is Imam Mahdi ,I must be Imam Mahdi.
      You cannot be Imam Mahdi because you do not belong to any group ( = religion of "forced justice&quot . To you all groups ( = religion of "forced justice&quot are mad ,deluded and retards.

      full of nonsense.. and in contradiction with its main premise

      because after all there is only one person!

      actual premise

      You shall be three kinds (GROUPS). (regardless of gods/religions/etc) (567)

      THUS "who" and "what" gives you the right to define "n"?

      Your "forced justice (political jurisprudence / shaytan) GOD"?

      Therefore, "n" = group of Human Shaytans

      ...shaytans from both mankind and from the jinn, who inspire (religism / grouping) each other with delusions (unnature) by means of specious words (fallacies — if your LordLaw (of Nature) had willed, they would not have done it, so abandon them and all they fabricate (group of forced justice, political jurisprudence). (6112)

      See how deluded you are? rotfl

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        The reality...

        Whereas, Imam Mahdi = People of Ibrahim, Ibrahims'

        "n" = Ibrahim, and "k" = "...And what of my descendants?´ He said, " My contract ("Allah's greatest blessing&quot does not include the wrongdoers (descendants)." (2124)..."

        the "Imam" (descendants of Ibrahim)

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        k =

        You shall be three kinds. (567)

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        • People of the Right, 568/39-40
        Ecological Citizens; Muslim

        • People of the Left, 569, 5030
        Forced Justice; Kafirun, fasiq and fajir

        • The Forerunner, 56.10-14
        Founder (Imam) of Jurisprudential School of Thought; Rasul


        Burden of Proof for the Forerunner or Founder (Imam)

        • FORMULA If Allah guides someone (natural justice), he cannot be misguided (forced justice). (3937)
        Those who have iman (guided) and do natural actions, how few they are! (3824)
        REASON http//www.sunnatullah.com/page/matheism
        They are a large group of the earlier generations (before the Quran) and a few of later generations (after the Quran) (5613-14)

        • Founder for a School of Thought, Sunnatullah Alone

        • Jihad for non-cooperation and civil disobedience, vs. Forced Justice/Political Jurisprudence


        Burden of Proof for the Ibrahims's Descendant Forerunner or Founder (Imam)

        Then We passed the Book to those of Our servants whom We chose. Some of them wrong their souls (People of the Left), and some follow a middle course (People of the Right), and some are in the foremost (Founder in Jurisprudential School of Thought and Jihad, conditions of Chapter 103 // Pillars of Matheism) in natural deeds by Allah's leave; that is the greatest blessing. (3532)

        None can be the founder except with "Allah's greatest blessing", ie. contract between Allah and Ibrahim


        What is the Contract? ("Allah's greatest blessing&quot

        Remember when Ibrahim was tested by his Lord with certain words which he carried out completely. He said, "I will make you an Imam (Founder) for mankind." He asked, ´And what of my descendants?´ He said, " My contract ("Allah's greatest blessing&quot does not include the wrongdoers (descendants)." (2124)

        Therefore

        IF guided (Founder in Jurisprudential School of Thought/Ecological Justice and Jihad for Ecological Nation One Nation or Constitutional Islam https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610467.0)
        THEN certainly Ibrahim's descendant for Allah's contract, ie. Imam al-Mahdi
        ELSE certainly not Imam al-Mahdi, and highly probable not Ibrahim's descendant

        BURDEN OF PROOF

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        so what is your proof that you are the group member of "n" or "k" (ie. forerunner, The Ibrahims&#039?

        http//www.sunnatullah.com/page/matheism

        YOUR BURDEN OF PROOF

        Quote from Mahdi Ibrahim on Today at 090247 AM
        This is my proof...

        ARGUMENT How could Allah chose a retard like you to be his Messenger?
        ...

        REASON

        FORMULA If Allah guides someone (natural justice), he cannot be misguided (forced justice). (3937)

        delusional. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument (forced justice), typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
        Insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature = forced justice) from reality (nature = natural justice)

        IF "Good Logic" is the Rasul (Imam al-Mahdi)
        THEN cannot be misguided ( vs. Sunnatullah // vs. Way of Allah // vs. natural justice)
        ELSE JOKER // RETARD // INSANITY (Way of Shaytan/Fallacies, forced justice)

        prove it..

        The next stage in the induction argument is to prove that, whenever S(n) is true for one number (say n=k), it is also true for the next number (that is, n = k+1).

        "+ 1" or "People of the Right" = I swear by your Lord that they will never be Muslims until they let you (People of Ibrahim) judge their disputes and then they will find nothing in their souls to prevent them from accepting your judgment, thus, surrender in full submission (to "k&quot. (465)

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        and prove it... rotfl

        On that Day we will raise up among every community a witnesses against them from amongst themselves. (1689)

        We will drag out a Witness/Rasul from each nation and will say, "Produce your evidence!". (2875)

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          Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and do not let all your good deeds come to NOTHING. (4733) Even if you asked forgiveness for them seventy times, Allah still would not forgive them. That is because they have rejected Allah and His Messenger. (980)

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            Peace Mahdi
            You are in for a treat. I told you I will prove your logic is upside down and your argument changes every post and every thread.

            You thing we are fools, let us see who the fool is

            You have failed! rotfl

            LordLaw (S) is (=) the conditions of natural harmony (n) for all species (k).

            n's conditions = Math + E + Ism

            your turn.. answer my counterargument.

            YOUR BURDEN OF PROOF

            prove it..

            FORMULA If Allah guides someone (natural justice), he cannot be misguided (forced justice). (3937)

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              Peace Mahdi.
              You see how you are shifting the burden of proof!!!
              Also it is important to note that your argument used contradictory information, and faulty logic to reach your conclusion, that you think is true.
              Me, demonstrating that your argument is not sound, however, removes it as support for the truth of the conclusion ? it means that the conclusion is not true. Your argument is debunked!!!

              Even if all of the premises of your argument are reliably true, and they are not, your argument is invalid because the logic employed is not legitimate ? a so-called logical fallacy or upside doown logic like I proved earlier.

              There are many common logical pitfalls that your mind is falling into, and like I have shown you,you are not consciously aware of these pitfalls . Hence you did not avoid them.

              I will now add one more nail to the coffin for your argument
              Inconsistency
              You are applying your criteria and rules to your belief, yet claim as argument from your position that others are following criteria and rules of others.Do you not see this inconsistency tars you with the same brush.
              Your argument is dead mate.
              GOD bless you.
              Peace.

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                Peace Mahdi.
                You see how you are shifting the burden of proof!!!
                Also it is important to note that your argument used contradictory information, and faulty logic to reach your conclusion, that you think is true.
                Me, demonstrating that your argument is not sound, however, removes it as support for the truth of the conclusion � it means that the conclusion is not true. Your argument is debunked!!!

                Even if all of the premises of your argument are reliably true, and they are not, your argument is invalid because the logic employed is not legitimate � a so-called logical fallacy or upside doown logic like I proved earlier.

                There are many common logical pitfalls that your mind is falling into, and like I have shown you,you are not consciously aware of these pitfalls . Hence you did not avoid them.

                I will now add one more nail to the coffin for your argument
                Inconsistency
                You are applying your criteria and rules to your belief, yet claim as argument from your position that others are following criteria and rules of others.Do you not see this inconsistency tars you with the same brush.
                Your argument is dead mate.
                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

                So your blind claims and nonsense is your argument? your kind of logic? rotfl

                PROVE IT!

                Quote from Mahdi Ibrahim on Today at 090247 AM
                This is my proof...

                ARGUMENT How could Allah chose a retard like you to be his Messenger?
                ...

                REASON

                FORMULA If Allah guides someone (natural justice), he cannot be misguided (forced justice). (3937)

                delusional. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument (forced justice), typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
                Insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature = forced justice) from reality (nature = natural justice)

                IF "Good Logic" is the Rasul (Imam al-Mahdi)
                THEN cannot be misguided ( vs. Sunnatullah // vs. Way of Allah // vs. natural justice)
                ELSE JOKER // RETARD // INSANITY (Way of Shaytan/Fallacies, forced justice)

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                  Well brother, my argument has at least reduced your answers from pages to one sentence.
                  Have you run out of words brother Mahdi?
                  Unlike you, that means your argument is dead or dying fast!!!.
                  GOD bless you.
                  Peace.

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                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                    What's wrong with this argument?

                    LordLaw (S) is (=) the conditions of natural harmony (n) for all species (k).

                    Show me... prove to me it is a fallacious argument.

                    What is your definition of "Law"?

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                      Well brother, my argument has at least reduced your answers from pages to one sentence.

                      yes, because I got tired with your nonsense, blind claim and trolling... ZERO intellectual value (NO USAGE), and can go even for 30+ pages or more .. brickwall

                      I gave up with this kind of logic. rotfl

                      Fear has its use but cowardice (HYPOCRISY) has none (NO USAGE). ~ Gandhi

                      When you see them, their outward form appeals to you, and if they speak you listen to what they say. But they are like propped-up planks of wood (NO USAGE). They imagine every cry to be against them. They are the real enemy, so beware of them. Allah fight them! How they are perverted! (634)

                      propped-up planks of wood

                      http//1.bp.blogspot.com/-U4ZpeniwvMg/UM-oA5BSuII/AAAAAAAADHM/ABUCwfJbcJA/s1600/036+(800x600).jpg

                      step on this, you'll fall in hell (30-100 pages of nonsense and trolling) forever. rotfl

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                        Peace Mahdi.
                        Now you are applying CIRCULAR FALLACY!. You are starting again?
                        How about saving your bacon(or stinky flesh like you call it) by asking you to Start your day with humor by reading a selection of my(good logic) answers in this thread to remind you and make you reflect on starting again your dead argument.

                        Your logic is upside down like this
                        What has a bottom at the top?
                        Your legs.
                        I mean your logic is like legs!!!
                        And this time make sure as well as your upside down logic,,use sand ,cement and gravel(or drivel) ,at least you will have some CONCRETE evidence to show for your argument.

                        So brotherTake my advice; I don't use it anyway.
                        GOD bless you.
                        Peace

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                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                          do you know what is proof in logic?

                          First Issue

                          What's wrong with this argument?

                          LordLaw (S) is (=) the conditions of natural harmony (n) for all species (k).

                          Show me... prove to me it is a fallacious argument.

                          What is your definition of "Law"?

                          Second Issue

                          PROVE IT!

                          Quote from Mahdi Ibrahim on Today at 090247 AM
                          This is my proof...

                          ARGUMENT How could Allah chose a retard like you to be his Messenger?
                          ...

                          REASON

                          FORMULA If Allah guides someone (natural justice), he cannot be misguided (forced justice). (3937)

                          delusional. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument (forced justice), typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
                          Insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature = forced justice) from reality (nature = natural justice)

                          IF "Good Logic" is the Rasul (Imam al-Mahdi)
                          THEN cannot be misguided ( vs. Sunnatullah // vs. Way of Allah // vs. natural justice)
                          ELSE JOKER // RETARD // INSANITY (Way of Shaytan/Fallacies, forced justice)

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                            Now you are applying CIRCULAR FALLACY!.

                            THIRD ISSUE

                            Do you even know what is CIRCULAR FALLACY? You just went full retard.. Messenger. rotfl

                            let us see who the fool is

                            Tip for circular reasoning

                            Circular reasoning is often of the form "A is true because B is true; B is true because A is true."

                            It is you, right? lol

                            I am Imam Mahdi."I don't care what you say! It is true!"

                            30+ pages

                            https//i.ytimg.com/vi/c5I8DkUPI5U/hqdefault.jpg

                            good logic

                            Watch me flood your threads with pages of solid arguments from now on. Be warned!

                            I got tired of ROTFL

                            THE MOST BASIC LOGIC FOR good logic

                            What makes you think you can counter my "definition of law" when I can prove the fallacious of Saint Thomas Aquinas, Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Salmond, Blackstone, Austin, Karl Marx, Professor Hartz, Sir John Almond, Muhammadism School of Thoughts and all jurists ever existed ... + plus counter their School of Thoughts? rotfl

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                              Brother Mahdi.
                              I would like to close our amicable conversation with a "HOUMOUROUS FALLACY"

                              ?I?d like to start with the chimney jokes ? I?ve got a stack of them. The first one is on the house.?

                              As a scarecrow, people say I?m outstanding in my field. But hay ? it?s in my jeans.

                              ?The best time to add insult to injury is when you?re signing somebody?s cast.? ?

                              ?I had a dream last night that I was cutting carrots with the Grim Reaper ? dicing with death.? ?

                              ?I went to buy some camouflage trousers the other day, but I couldn?t find any.? ?

                              I waited and stayed up all night and tried to figure out where the sun was. Then it dawned on me.

                              ?I saw this bloke chatting-up a cheetah. I thought ?He?s trying to pull a fast one.'? ?

                              Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

                              I went on a once in a lifetime holiday. Never again.

                              What sits at the bottom of the sea and twitches? A nervous wreck.

                              ?Exit signs? They?re on the way out!? ?

                              There?s no ?I? in Denial.

                              A man tells his doctor, ?Help me. I?m addicted to Twitter!? The doctor replies, ?Sorry, I?m not following you.

                              ? Exaggerations went up by a million percent last year.

                              Hope you enjoed our conversation as much as I did.
                              Sorry brother for all the off topics from me in your threads!
                              It s now goodbye from us folks in this thread-From me anyway-.Hope you enjoyed the show!!!
                              GOD bless you.
                              Peace.

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                                THE MOST BASIC LOGIC FOR good logic

                                What makes you think you can counter my "definition of law" when I can prove the fallacious of Saint Thomas Aquinas, Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Salmond, Blackstone, Austin, Karl Marx, Professor Hartz, Sir John Almond, Muhammadism School of Thoughts and all jurists ever existed ... + plus counter their School of Thoughts? rotfl

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                                They define "Legal", they DO NOT define "Law"....

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                                  Brother Mahdi.
                                  I would like to close our amicable conversation with a "HOUMOUROUS FALLACY"

                                  It is best for your kind bravo

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                                      main life issues

                                      Those We have given the Book/Ordain recognise it as they recognise their own SONS! Yet a group of them knowingly conceal the TRUTH (The Messenger of NATURAL JUSTICE / SUNNATULLAH). (2146)

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                                        Forced Justice (Moral Relativism / People of THE BOOK)

                                        Isa So this a law is enforced only by force. .... all values come from man, so a society is then nothing but some men imposing their values on others - majorities on minorities, or rulers on ruled, or teachers on students, or media mind molders on the stupid, traditionalist masses." ~ Professor Peter Kreeft

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                                        Quranic Animism

                                        • Quranic Metaphysics

                                        • Quranic Epistemology

                                        • Quranic Axiology

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                                          The argument Our Law proves that we are Messengers. (Q3616)

                                          • Law is the conditions of natural harmony for all situations/species. ~ Mahdi Ibrahim

                                          • Allah is ENERGY (Q2435)

                                          • Abrahamic Religion / The One World Religion He made all gods same god. (Q385)


                                          You can easily recognize them

                                          • People of the Left

                                          • People of the Right (Muslim/Mukmin)

                                          • Forerunner (Rasul / Founder of Jurisprudential School of Thought)

                                          by the way that they argue. (Q4730)

                                          Allah would never destroy human habitation (with climate change and mass extinctions) without first sending a RASUL (رَسُولًا) to its centre, reciting our Signs/Tawba to them. (Q2859)

                                          There is no city We will not destroy before the Day of Rising, Or punish with a terrible PUNISHMENT/climate change/the sixth mass extinctions. (Q17.5

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