Why does God sometimes give us suffering with no way out
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peace sarah,
if u are living in england why not go for unemployed allowence.
this way u can get a house from council ? as well as money.other things if u dnt mind telling where u working?
its not india pakistan where bosses can get work more than appointed duty, you can complaint about your boss, nobody can get more work here in this country. you will only do whats ur duty.third thing i dnt beleive after doing such hard work u still unable to pay the bills ? how ?
minimum wage is 7.2 ? per hour and if u just do 40 hrs in a week u can arrange full month rent.herez a calculation 7.2 x 40 = 288 ( one week salary) based on minimum salaries in uk.
in a month u can roughly earn 1200 ? after tax 1000 ? roughly.
for a singke person easily u can get a good place for living in 300? so u r still saving 700? i dont undertand whats the struggle?.the way how you write i never see a british person write this way.
anyway i left my advices for you which will give u benefit in real time space instead of sympathies i wish you/everybody to fight.God will not help those who dnt help themselves ( first rule of God help ).
after doing hardwork/struggle ask help from God in matters whats not in our power like marriage matters.Peace Imran
I don't have a full time job, thankfully I live with family...thanks for the info, made me think...
'the way how you write i never see a british person write this way.' What do you mean? /
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Peace Imran
I don't have a full time job, thankfully I live with family...thanks for the info, made me think...
'the way how you write i never see a british person write this way.' What do you mean ? /
peace,
so you are paying rent to your family ?
is it a counsil house or mortgage one ?why not applying for some other job the kind of work you like.as i feel in uk everyone doing the work they like to do. i mean there are different nature of works in which u dnt have to see the pressure of boss like jobs in delivery of food and driving related or care home related.
even part time can generate good money 24 hrs x 7.2 lol i m kidding money whatever u earn can never satisfy you even if u earn millions u still want to increase ur earnings human never can get satisfied the more money u have more change in life style therez always HUNGER part lives in human.
BOLD i mean their style of writting is different than yours.
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peace,
so you are paying rent to your family ?
is it a counsil house or mortgage one ?why not applying for some other job the kind of work you like.as i feel in uk everyone doing the work they like to do. i mean there are different nature of works in which u dnt have to see the pressure of boss like jobs in delivery of food and driving related or care home related.
even part time can generate good money 24 hrs x 7.2 lol i m kidding money whatever u earn can never satisfy you even if u earn millions u still want to increase ur earnings human never can get satisfied the more money u have more change in life style therez always HUNGER part lives in human.
BOLD i mean their style of writting is different than yours.
cause I have no experience but hopefully i'll get some...
What about my writing style is different do you think lol ?
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cause I have no experience but hopefully i'll get some...
What about my writing style is different do you think lol ?
everyone get experience by doing work FIRST time so u ll learn anything slowly slowly. if u start anywhere u have to learn from ZERO its you who will pick up the work with help
of your intelliegent and negotiating skills. thats why good learner is important factor instead of experience, every experienced person started from ZERO experience.be confident
and writting style forget about it it will gona go offtopic. lol may b some other day or at ankther thread where u said english is not ur first language thats y may b.
so whats about ur rent thing ? dnt your parents see u have not much earning they shoudnt take rent from you ?
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everyone get experience by doing work FIRST time so u ll learn anything slowly slowly. if u start anywhere u have to learn from ZERO its you who will pick up the work with help
of your intelliegent and negotiating skills. thats why good learner is important factor instead of experience, every experienced person started from ZERO experience.be confident
and writting style forget about it it will gona go offtopic. lol may b some other day or at ankther thread where u said english is not ur first language thats y may b.
so whats about ur rent thing ? dnt your parents see u have not much earning they shoudnt take rent from you ?
Thanks for the advice bro
Lol I'm FLUENT in English!! GRRRThe rent thing, yeah I'm dealing with it...I'll be fine Insha Allah don't worry about it but thank you for showing concern
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Thanks for the advice bro
Lol I'm FLUENT in English!! GRRRThe rent thing, yeah I'm dealing with it...I'll be fine Insha Allah don't worry about it but thank you for showing concern
ok lol
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Peace
I have a physically demanding job and every other day my job gets threatened because I'm not fast enough...I do all I possibly can and when I'm fast enough they'll say you rushed it...it seems impossible to get out of this problem no matter how hard i try and believe me I've tried for months..
Anyway, today it was 20x worse...I tried having patience but even that wouldn't get rid of my misery, I tried remembering Allah by saying stuff like God is the greatest and subhanallah over and over...but it just didn't help make me happier, I was still MISERABLE...I felt BETRAYED by God because in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find peace, but I only found momentarily peace/ comfort...the misery of the physically demanding job plus horrible smells in the environment which STANK literally caused me PAIN physically (my back and jonits ached from demanding work, my energy became less and less), I had to hold my nose closed when the smell got really bad plus the psychological anguish of my job being threatened kept me MISERABLE, I tried every mindset I could think of at the time to get out of it, but NOTHING worked...plus the job BARELY pays my rent!
It might not sound like much to you, but I literally was psychologically in TORTURE, I wanted God to just end my life, end my suffering, it was really that bad...I was trying to escape the suffering but I kept trying to run from one mindset to another and God just left all doors closed...I was psychologically SUFFOCATING.
I felt betrayed by God because He describes Himself as the most loving/ affectionate/ kind where is the love? How can He call Himself the most loving when He doesn't mind causing his creation so much MISERY? And not just me, but BABIES die in war etc. How is this the most kind???
And why did His saying of in the remembrance of Allah heart find peace- why does it not work when I'm also in physical pain plus psychological pain, afraid of losing the job that pays some of my rent?
I did ask God for forgiveness for these thoughts but I was in PAIN in so many ways, God can EASILY get rid of it (Be and it is) yet He chooses not to and calls Himself the most affectionate? I felt so HURT because this morning and yesterday esp. I read Qur'an for a good amount of time (I do everyday too),I prayed, I tried to do good deeds and I get repaid with SUFFERING....
I'm intellectually struggling to understand why God let's people who try to be close to Him suffer like this and also why He lets babies and animals suffer?
Also, for the past few weeks instead of doing salah as in praying 3 times a day, I took the other understanding of salah meaning read Qur'an or remember God 3 times a day...but I kept doubting if I should actualyl physically pray 3 times a day....so only today, this morning I did the 3 times a day prayer thing again (prayed fajr) just to be safe than sorry and also read quran at fajr time in case it doesn't mean ritual prayer, and the suffering happened today when I chose to pray like I used to....could it be god was punishing me for gonig back to ritual salah?
' If some good befalls them, they say, ?This is from Allah; but if evil, they say, ?This is from thee? (O Prophet). Say ?All things are from Allah.? But what hath come to these people, that they fail to understand a single fact? Whatever good happens to thee is from God; and whatever evil befalls thee is from thyself '(Quran 478-79)
Above verse proves both good and evil are from God.
If the 'evil'/ suffering is from myself, i didn't choose to make my boss constantly threaten to lose my job, I didn't choose to get rushed in that job...you might say i signed up for the job but my living situation forced me to otherwise how would i pay rent? I applied for better jobs for months and never got any places...if i could choose, i would obviously choose my job not to be threatened and I would not make my boss try to RUSH me...
Peace Sarah....
Bit sad to hear your story... But you are living a better life than billions of people on this very earth.. For that thank God... Do you have any diseases? Hope not.... That's million time better than rich person...
I have heard few others stories here, they have worse than you....
What is that job you are doing being in UK and which sounds like slavery.... ..
You can't blame God and still believe in Him..... Remember true believers are put under much stressful test in various ways... Except very rare occasions.... Same like if you are a bright student then the teacher knows you and won't ask the easiest of questions... No way.. Those easiest questions only to weak kids.... Is teacher unfair?
Life is not easy to believers believers dear.... Coz God will chase after us with tests by which even we can lose hope and faith... There were people who lost faith and gone far beyond the belief of God... Just coz they were put to test and they failed.... If the main purpose of God sending us here is to test then if no test of hardship either mentally or physically then no point of calling it's a test Field.... But for those who don't believe in God but those who just show off... Test may be nothing... Coz they don't take the test as test and they will find other ways to escape from it.... Test is much meaningful with believers....
If a believing person and a disbeliever is under severe scarcity and poverty then disbeliever would do all (good or bad) ways to overcome the situation... For example he will even sell drugs regardless the outcome and nay become rich... But believer would try only all good sides to overcome and still end up futile.. But believer's heart won't let him to do a bad thing to overcome his agony though he is absolutely desperate... But he will avoid... ... Coz he knows living in this situation is better than approaching to harm others and go against God's law... Do you remember Yousuf said prison is better...So be patient.. Simole to say.... But that's key...
There is always better time after bad time... It happens... Don't think it won't... Coz your life is not over.... Two three years if hardship is nothing...
Yakub and Yousuf story is very touching.... Yakub suffered mentally for ages... Yousuf as well... But Yousuf suffered physically as well... Being in a prison for years of those days is no need to explain.... He was patient and believing in God and wonderful character and so does Yakub.. Kept his anticipations for life long... That would look insane...
Who loses hope in God save disbeliever..
That's all... Live the life...
Even you believe in God or not you life will go on... You have two options.. Good and bad... Whatever the way you choose, one day your life will be terminated...
Life is not easy Sarah... You are not highlighted by any means... Everyone is going through something that we don't know...
Keep the faith strong.. The rope of Allah didn't dislodge...
My mother is bedridden for last 6 years... Just praying every day... But she is same and no changes God made to her... Dies that mean I should go against God.... We are not to question why God does this and that...coz we are slaves.. Do you get what is slave.. I hope you do... My poor aunt and sister suffering a lot coz of my mom's situation... I keep asking God but no reply... It doesn't mean God doesn't help and there is no help... Believers were tested till almost they lost hope.. That's what Quran says...
Sister Sarah be patient as much you can... Losing Patience means you are vulnerable or gullible to path which is not of God's.. Then Satan won... Satan winning means.... We lost the test...Long thread...
God guide us and may keep us patient... -
I have a physically demanding job and every other day my job gets threatened because I'm not fast enough...I do all I possibly can and when I'm fast enough they'll say you rushed it...it seems impossible to get out of this problem no matter how hard i try and believe me I've tried for months..
If you didn't bring any value to your boss he would have fired you already, as he is not the charitable type.
Work at your own pace up to where you think you have delivered sufficient value according to what you have been paid.
Do nothing beyond that. You won't be fired. If he doesn't value you then it's best to start planning your exit from your job.I'm intellectually struggling to understand why God let's people who try to be close to Him suffer like this and also why He lets babies and animals suffer?
That age old struggle with God. Perhaps he doesn't care. Maybe God decided to be human one day and became you and now she's forgotten that she needs to get back to being God.
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Peace brother Jkhan,
Sorry for the late reply!I agree, I am living a better life than a lot of people (but I do worry for my future because if I didn't have a family to live with then I might not even have a home to live in because I don't earn enough but insha'Allah I will earn more than enough in the future). I don?t really have any diseases as far as I?m aware of but I do have some health problems, but they are manageable thank God.
What?s my job? Never mind, I don?t wanna say but I will insha?Allah get a better one in a different field. Just need some experience (I really lack experience on my CV).
It?s true, I shouldn?t blame God. I should have more patience. Sometimes it gets really hard and I get stuck?.it?s hard to explain. It?s like I get stuck in trying to feel better whilst being in the midst of the horrible experience. You know how there?s some pain and you know exactly how to deal with it even though it hurts? For example, if you hurt yourself i.e. you're bleeding, it hurts but you somehow cope with it mentally because you know exactly what to do- wash it, dry it, put a plaster over the wound. Let it heal, get some rest. That's how you cope even though you feel pain. And then on the other hand, sometimes there?s pain and you haven?t figured out how to deal with it?I felt a bit lost when I wrote this question and I often find a place of comfort mentally/ psychologically even when in pain but on the day I wrote this question, I couldn?t find that place of comfort for hours. I?m not sure if it?s just me or if everyone finds that place of comfort in their mind when going through a struggle. I think I lost hope, maybe that was the problem?maybe I should have sought protection/ refuge from God from the devil. I felt like I was going in circles because my job felt impossible, my boss felt impossible to please professionally speaking.
It?s true God will test us, when you said life is not easy for the believers, I don?t know, maybe it can be easy at least half of the time if we have the right attitude and hope?it does say in the Qur?an that God will give the believers a 'good life' with respect and give the I think disbelievers (or was it rejectors?) a 'hard one/ miserable one'. I remember I went through an agnostic phase and there were times I was so depressed because of the feeling of lack of purpose and uncertainty about life after death. Then when I got over that phase and my faith returned, the depression went away for the most part (even though I still went through sadness on and off which is normal).
I agree, sometimes it seems disbelievers or/and rejectors have an easier way out of their problems if they ignore their morals and just find an immoral solution.
Aww brother, I hope your mother gets better and becomes well insha?Allah May God help you, your sister, your aunt and the rest of your family cope with the situation insha?Allah. May He grant you strength.
I try to be patient but sometimes I don?t even know how to?as far as I know it means to be calm/ persevere/ be resilient etc.
Thank you for the long answer, I appreciate it )
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Peace brother Jkhan,
Sorry for the late reply!I agree, I am living a better life than a lot of people (but I do worry for my future because if I didn't have a family to live with then I might not even have a home to live in because I don't earn enough but insha'Allah I will earn more than enough in the future). I don?t really have any diseases as far as I?m aware of but I do have some health problems, but they are manageable thank God.
What?s my job? Never mind, I don?t wanna say but I will insha?Allah get a better one in a different field. Just need some experience (I really lack experience on my CV).
It?s true, I shouldn?t blame God. I should have more patience. Sometimes it gets really hard and I get stuck?.it?s hard to explain. It?s like I get stuck in trying to feel better whilst being in the midst of the horrible experience. You know how there?s some pain and you know exactly how to deal with it even though it hurts? For example, if you hurt yourself i.e. you're bleeding, it hurts but you somehow cope with it mentally because you know exactly what to do- wash it, dry it, put a plaster over the wound. Let it heal, get some rest. That's how you cope even though you feel pain. And then on the other hand, sometimes there?s pain and you haven?t figured out how to deal with it?I felt a bit lost when I wrote this question and I often find a place of comfort mentally/ psychologically even when in pain but on the day I wrote this question, I couldn?t find that place of comfort for hours. I?m not sure if it?s just me or if everyone finds that place of comfort in their mind when going through a struggle. I think I lost hope, maybe that was the problem?maybe I should have sought protection/ refuge from God from the devil. I felt like I was going in circles because my job felt impossible, my boss felt impossible to please professionally speaking.
It?s true God will test us, when you said life is not easy for the believers, I don?t know, maybe it can be easy at least half of the time if we have the right attitude and hope?it does say in the Qur?an that God will give the believers a 'good life' with respect and give the I think disbelievers (or was it rejectors?) a 'hard one/ miserable one'. I remember I went through an agnostic phase and there were times I was so depressed because of the feeling of lack of purpose and uncertainty about life after death. Then when I got over that phase and my faith returned, the depression went away for the most part (even though I still went through sadness on and off which is normal).
I agree, sometimes it seems disbelievers or/and rejectors have an easier way out of their problems if they ignore their morals and just find an immoral solution.
Aww brother, I hope your mother gets better and becomes well insha?Allah May God help you, your sister, your aunt and the rest of your family cope with the situation insha?Allah. May He grant you strength.
I try to be patient but sometimes I don?t even know how to?as far as I know it means to be calm/ persevere/ be resilient etc.
Thank you for the long answer, I appreciate it
Peace,.. Sarah
How genuine your wording looks... Face the challenge of life dear... Keep going.. i anticipate all believers dua will be upon you ... at least for a better mental situation soon ... Which country you were born? Where are your parents and relatives? Don't you have very close couple of friends who is physically almost always with you to sooth your pain.... I know our wordings from distant won't work like the one who is hanging around with you..
We can't compare ourself with another..,.. we have to march forward with our test.. -
Suffering and adversity
"And what struck/hit you from a disaster so (it is) because (of) what your hands gathered/acquired, and He forgives/pardons on much."
Qur'an repeatedly saying the same thing
"And if We made the people taste/experience mercy, they became happy/delighted with it, and if a sin/crime (harm) hits/strikes them because (of) what their hands advanced/introduced, then they, they despair.""The corruption/disorder appeared/became visible in the shore/land and sea/ocean because (of) what the people's hands earned/gained/acquired to make them taste/experience some/part of what they made/did, maybe/perhaps they return."
"...so if they turned away, so know that what Allah wants that (He) strikes/hits them with some/part (of) their crimes, and indeed many of the people (are) debauchers."
"What struck you from a goodness, so (it is) from at Allah, and what struck you from a sin/crime (harm) so (it is) from yourself, and We sent you to the people, (as) a messenger and enough with Allah, (as) a witness/present."
I think the terms like repent/ seek forgiveness /God is forgiving etc. come hundreds of time in the Qur'an, so it's a very important thing to consider!
Whenever sufferings strike us, just think about your past life and the sins (anything immoral) you committed and seek for forgiveness. This is what I used to do. So the suffering is a punishment and we don't know the exact measurement/extend of the punishment for our sins.
But God is Perfect and so is His punishment/judgement.And in my understanding the severity of the trials in life depends on ones past deeds.
So whatever it is/how painful it is,
...be patient on what struck/hit you...
because,
God does not burden/impose a self except its endurance/capability/what it can bearRemember what prophet Yusuf said after years of imprisonment, that too when he was young -the most energetic time in a human life!
?I am Joseph, and this is my brother. God has been gracious to us. For anyone who reverences and is patient, God will not waste the reward of the good doers.?
and God gave him a higher position/Also think about sufferings of other messengers
e.g. ?Or did you expect that you would enter Paradise, while the example of those who were before you came to you; they were stricken with adversity and hardship, and they were shaken until the messenger and those who believed with him said ?When is the victory of God?...?
Always keep in mind that God is seeing /knowing everything, and all suffering comes with His permission
And God is,Is God not the most judicious of the judges/rulers?
So be patient to the judgment of God, our Lord.
Suffering of beloved ones,
Many of us may have the experiences of suffering of beloved ones with extreme pain/ difficulty. Qur'an gives an example of Prophet Nooh and his son,
- And Noah called on his Lord, and he said ?My Lord, my son is from my family, and your promise is the truth, and you are the Wisest of all Judges.?
- He said ?O Noah, he is not from your family, he was of an unrighteous deed, so do not ask what you have no knowledge of. I advise you not to be of the ignorant.?
See a different case
The example of the Prophet Moses when he met a knowledgeable slave of God, and he killed a boy then Prophet Moses questioned him.
So they left / ventured forth until they came upon a boy, and he killed him. He (Moses)said ?Have you killed an innocent person without justice? You have done something awful!?
Later he clarified the reason to Moses,
?And as for the boy, his parents were believers, so we were concerned that he would oppress them by his transgression and disbelief.?
Even Moses questioned / argued that the boy was pure/innocent! (just like we do).
And in the cases like babies get killed in Palestine, Africa etc. if those souls are innocent, GOD -THE MOST MERCIFUL -THE PERFECT JUDGE -THE ONE WHO brought them into this world - can prevent any suffering to those souls just like HE saved Abraham from the fire,
We said ?O fire, be cool and safe upon Abraham.?
So in my understanding they are not suffering, their cries/expressions/physical wounds etc. are the punishment to their parents/guardians /relatives -they are the actual sufferers here.
And I believe that If man is absolutely sinless, then he will not suffer even the pain of a mosquito bite, he will not have any pain/ difficulty /discomfort in his life and his provision will be provided by God like He provided for Mary,
?...Every time Zachariah entered upon her in the enclosure/Al Mihrab, he found provisions with her. He said ?O Mary, from where did you get this?? She said ?It is from God, that God provides for whom He wishes without reckoning.?
?And if God punishes/takes the people because of their transgression, He would not have left on it a single creature. But He delays them to a determined time; so when their time comes, they do not delay by an hour and they do not advance.
And if God were to punish the people for what they have earned, He would not have left on its surface/top a single creature. But He delays them to an appointed term. So, when their time comes, then God is Seer of His servants.