If you agree Hell is not necessarily 'forever', do you think...
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peace all,
Heaven and Hell will be eternal /forever
They do not taste/experience in it the death/lifelessness except the first death, and He protected them (from) the Hell's torture.
Grace/favour from your Lord, Such is the great triumph/supreme success.Here the ‘first death' may denote the death in this world because the verse 35 of this surah mentions it. And in my understanding from the various verses like (2310; 1448etc.) the earth itself will be changed into the Heaven (that's why 4456 says ‘the first death in it')
?Those, they are the inheritors?.
?The Day the earth be replaced (with) another earth and the skies/space...?Earth is the best place to inhabit for humans. In the second birth, believers will be in the best version of human being and so is the earth in its best version i.e. Heaven.
Eternally in fire/no escape from the fire can mean getting dissolved in/ becoming the fire (hell).
So ‘eternally' may be in the sense that the companions of the Fire will be justly punished for their evil deeds and after complete punishment they may let to dissolve in the hellfire and may remain in the hell forever as heat energy - for the purpose of fuelling the fire, i.e. no more existence as living beings.
...then beware the Fire whose/its fuel is people and rocks...
just shared my thoughts, and I'm aware that God's system can be beyond my logic and imagination.
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Nothing is eternal but God. Neither janna nor the fire, nothing else but God is forever.
The Qur'an says time and again that destiny is God, the end of the journey is God. We come from Him, from His Mercy, and we will return to Him, no matter for how long we may be in the way.Why does the faatiha say Guide us to the siraat al mustaqim, the ascending path, the path of those you graced, not of those you you were angry with, or the strayed.
It is obvious that the difference is the way we go back to him, painful or graceful. The painful one is nothing to look forward to. It is the paeither of love or the path of denial.Nowhere int he Qur'an it is said that janna or hell will last as much as God, so how will the fire end for each one of them who suffers it, as you say, Sarah, if justice is to prevail, and it will, because God is Justice, that is His name, then for each it will last what is just, and it will be as hard as it is just, not more. Those who end up in it, come with a burden of disgraceful deeds, that is their fire, they themselves, with their burden of wronging themselves, and that also the Qur'an makes it clear. When we behave evil, we wrong not God, but ourselves. When the fire clears those burdens, then it will end, if the sufferer has been cleansed. God does not say much, or anything about that, but it stands in agreement with His message. May be He does not want us to entertain thoughts like those of those who used to say, "0h, we will stay in the fire only for two or three days"...
Let us pray that we are forgiven our wrong deeds and reform so that we do not have to be in the fire even a minute, because however long it may be, it will feel eternal.
Salaam
Wassalam,
nice answer and interesting perspective Huruf...
But is there proof from the Qur'an that only God is eternal? How did you reach this conclusion? -
Of course, all the trouble with something that is plain and in agreement with the sense of justice and equity which the Qur'an imposes on all of us, and which also in our fitra is the insistence on something that obviously cannot be and it is to give to khalada and derivatives the meaning of eternity. And that is the source of the questions which is very understandable that should come to sister Sarah's mind.
It is alarming, though that those same questions do not crop up in some other minds. Hopefully those who bilieve that hell is eternal are absolutely sure that God will not find that they deserve it, because living with that doubt may be very hard.
These ayas quoted by Novice, if nothing else, should teach us that khalada means to abide for however long. For those in hell undeoubtedly it will be long enough whatever the time may be.
True,
khalada doesn't necessarily mean eternal or forever...even some Sunnis do not consider Hell to be forever...
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The only way that we may become eternal is returning to God. To think that in our being there is eternity is making oursleves equal to God. Nothing exists by itself but cause God makes us exist. If God stops un second making us exist that would be it for us. Who is going to make us eternal? ourselves? God? God can let us be for however long He pleases, but only He can be eternal.
Read the Qur'an carefully our destiny is God, ilaihi al maSir, not to eternity but to Him. We had a beginning, wherefrom do we get to not having an end?
Salaam
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Wassalam,
nice answer and interesting perspective Huruf...
But is there proof from the Qur'an that only God is eternal? How did you reach this conclusion?Salaam Sarah
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He has no beginning and He has no ending. He is the Evident and the Hidden. And He is the Knower of all things.
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Salaam Sarah
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He has no beginning and He has no ending. He is the Evident and the Hidden. And He is the Knower of all things.
Peace everyone....
I wonder this Awwal and Aakhir is giving the meaning of no beginning and no Ending.... But God has definitely no beginning and Ending....
Some seriously think that when we live eternally in Janna thrn it is equal to God.... No way.... We have beginning and we ended and we start again... Is that equal to God... Not at all.... If God will that we should live in His Kingdom forever then we are controlled ... When we are controlled by God, is it equal to God?.... Just being given a life which is eternal doesn't mean we have the feature of God... Coz we are not Awwal and we are not Aakhir.... -
Peace every believer,,,
JAHANNA ? HELL FIRE
4169 ?Except the path of Hell; they will abide therein (Khaalideena) forever(ABADA). And that, for Allah , is easy.?
JANNA ? DELIGHT KINGDOM
457 But those who believe and do righteous deeds - We will admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide (Khaalideena) forever(ABADA).. For them therein are purified spouses, and We will admit them to deepening shade.
As you are aware this Khalideena itself abiding/living ETERNALLY as per the comparable words used in entire quran?.
Note the extra word used as ABADA = FOREVER / Ever ?
Without differentiating anything GOD has used in the above verses for JANANA and JAHANNA the identical words KHALIDEENA and ABADA?
So we can deduce that life in JAHANNA (HELL) is as long as the life of JANNA?. Simply according to verses ETERNALLY and FOREVER?.rest we will see after resurrection?.We should take into consideration the manifest way of explanation in quran that God says he placed us as Khalifa and will be given on earth a TERM and when the term is over will be returned to GOD again and then there is no term again and it will be only a life never ending be it in Hell or Janna?That?s a promise of God?He never breaks his promise...
4122 " ... We will admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. the promise of Allah , truth, and who is more truthful than Allah in statement."