Definition of KAFIR
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There are so many Kafir.
https//i.ibb.co/n0872Dg/Kafir.jpg
On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030)
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There are so many Kafir.
https//i.ibb.co/n0872Dg/Kafir.jpg
On that Day, We shall ask Hell, Are you now full? Hell will answer, Are there any more? (5030)
http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/temp%2002%20%202.006a%20(those%20who%20refused).gif
Does this mean ""As for those who are Kafir"?
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Does this mean ""As for those who are Kafir"?
It does not change the argument that it refers to the Kafir... what is your merit?
Hell, Are you now full?
yes, including the Quran Alone.. the True Kuffar.
the True Kuffar if make distinction on messengers (natural person) not mention in the Quran (4150-151 and 384-85)
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IF believe in Allah
IF believe in the revelation(s)
IF believe in the Messengers mentioned in the Quran
BUT rejects Natural Person (Messengers) not mention in the Quran
(We do not make any distinction 384 They want to make a distinction 4150 Such people are the true kuffar 4151)Therefore, no syahadat (bear witness), and the True Kuffar
Therefore VOID
believe in Allah
believe in the revelation(s)
believe in the Messengers mentioned in the QuranObey Allah and obey His Messenger, and do not let (all) your (good) deeds come to nothing. (4733)
Therefore have iman in (1) Allah and (2) His Messenger and (3) in the Light ... (648 )
Math + E + Ism
• We have sent you as a Witness (3345)
• For every nation is a Messenger/Witness. (1047)
• There was not a nation that a Warner/Witness did not come to it. (3524)
• Messengers/Witnesses of who We have told to you (in this Quran), and Messengers/Witnesses We have not told to (in this Quran, Torah and Injeel etc). (4164) We do not make any distinction between them (Messengers not mention in the Quran). (384) They want to make a distinction (on the Messengers not mention in the Quran) ... such people are the True Kuffar. (4150-151)
• We have not sent any Messenger/Witness except in the language (scientific terms etc) of his people. (144)
• I/Rasul was a Witness against them as long I/Rasul remained among them. (5117)
• On that Day We will raise up among every community Witnesses against them from amongst themselves. (1689) We will drag out a Witness from each nation and will say, "Produce your evidence!" (2875)
cherry picking / quote mining
Do you believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in another part of it? (285)
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It does not change the argument that it refers to the Kafir... what is your merit?
yes, including the Quran Alone.. the True Kuffar.
It is meaningless argument. It is an independent sentence introducing a topic, which is always general in nature, and next clauses are more specific. "As for those|" is nowhere in the original text. Firstly you changed the first part and then changed the perfect verb into imperfect.
Thereby it is like manipulating text. Thus without merit.
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"As for those|" is nowhere in the original text.
http//islamawakened.com/quran/2/6/
I didn't change it.. the translators change it.
I merely quote it as my argument since there is no real issue in their translations.
It still refers to the Kafir... .
and even your Quran with diacritical marks and dots etc and not the original text... this alone have corrupted the revelation since each word can have 30 to 50 different meanings.
https//www.islamicity.org/wp-content/plugins/blueprint-timthumb/timthumb.php?src=/global/images/photo/IC-Articles/oldestQuran__800x506.JPG&w=600&h=337&q=50
So what's wrong?
Please explain about "originality"... and Quraish Dialect etc.
Synonym?
It is meaningless argument.
Then why bother to make an argument if you can't even point out how they have changed Allah's argument?
What's wrong with your LOGIC? (6836)
Thereby it is like manipulating text. Thus without merit.
Ahh.. kindergarten level of Muslim.
Read without brain... then how could the Quran explain everything?
Is the Quran about "Signs"?
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"As for those|" is nowhere in the original text.http//islamawakened.com/quran/2/6/
I didn't change it.. the translators change it.
I merely quote it as my argument since there is no real issue in their translations.
It still refers to the Kafir... .
George Sale As for the unbelievers, it will be equal to them whether thou admonish them, or do not admonish them; they will not believe.zoom
John Medows Rodwell As to the infidels, alike is it to them whether thou warn them or warn them not - they will not believeThe Arabic word for "As for" (a conjunction) is http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0000.%20Haroof%20particles/15.%20Amma%20Fa%20amma/2.gif NOT http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0000.%20Haroof%20particles/02.%20Inna/1.gif
When a verb is used it has a pronoun that refers to a certain person(s). The Subject of a plural verb in Arabic always refers to an antecedent.
http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00032.%20Kaafir%20Kaf%20Fa%20Ra%20refuse%20hide/1.gif It is a sentence not a noun meaning Kafir. It comprises of Verb Perfect; Third Person; Plural; Masculine; Subject Pronoun in nominative state; - Verbal Noun.
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and even your Quran with diacritical marks and dots etc and not the original text... this alone have corrupted the revelation since each word can have 30 to 50 different meanings.
Linguists call such a person an idiot since a word has only one meaning in the test.
We should read the definition of "word" as Kindergarten student, things will become clear.
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George Sale As for the unbelievers, it will be equal to them whether thou admonish them, or do not admonish them; they will not believe.zoom
John Medows Rodwell As to the infidels, alike is it to them whether thou warn them or warn them not - they will not believeThe Arabic word for "As for" (a conjunction) is http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0000.%20Haroof%20particles/15.%20Amma%20Fa%20amma/2.gif NOT http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0000.%20Haroof%20particles/02.%20Inna/1.gif
When a verb is used it has a pronoun that refers to a certain person(s). The Subject of a plural verb in Arabic always refers to an antecedent.
http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00032.%20Kaafir%20Kaf%20Fa%20Ra%20refuse%20hide/1.gif It is a sentence not a noun meaning Kafir. It comprises of Verb Perfect; Third Person; Plural; Masculine; Subject Pronoun in nominative state; مصدر-كُفْرٌ Verbal Noun.
So does that translation refers to the Kafir?
https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/6/
A. Yes
B. NoA or B?
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Linguists call such a person an idiot since a word has only one meaning in the test.
We should read the definition of "word" as Kindergarten student, things will become clear.
Here is the issue, does the original Quran have diacritical marks and dots etc?
Can you understand the question?
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a word has only one meaning in the test.
Which one is the right meaning from the following word?
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http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=32
(222)
l-kitābu
the bookThis is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah. (22)
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http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=4672
(223533)
l-kitābu
the prescribed termThere is no blame upon you for that to which you allude concerning a proposal to women or for what you conceal within yourselves. Allah knows that you will have them in mind. But do not promise them secretly except for saying a proper saying. And do not determine to undertake a marriage contract until the prescribed term reaches its end. And know that Allah knows what is within yourselves, so beware of Him. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing. 2235
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Basic principle of Arabic; all nouns, except pronouns and proper nouns, are indefinite in their default state. They are made definite in the text only by two methods; prefixing definite article and by construct with second noun definite.
That does not answer the question... do I need to repeat the question?
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I'm the Unlettered, ie. 1117 and here is the reason why I don't appreciate the traditional/conventional interpretation methodology ..
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ie. there is no merit for "originality" and it is Shirk (Kafir) ..
You can never prove your point or argument...
as proven above and our reality..
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Peace Mahdi.
There are reasons why any language evolves. All languages go through this process. So when you say, quote
Here is the issue, does the original Quran have diacritical marks and dots etc?
your issue becomes worse because you need to try different prononciations of the word to see which one fits. Diactical marks and dots merely give you one prononciation of the word. Specific and easier for the majority of wors.
Your "KAFARU" to you, as per the original, can also be "KUFIRU" or "KIFARU or ...many different prononciations.
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
Peace Mahdi.
There are reasons why any language evolves. All languages go through this process. So when you say, quote
Here is the issue, does the original Quran have diacritical marks and dots etc?
your issue becomes worse because you need to try different prononciations of the word to see which one fits. Diactical marks and dots merely give you one prononciation of the word. Specific and easier for the majority of wors.
Your "KAFARU" to you, as per the original, can also be "KUFIRU" or "KIFARU or ...many different prononciations.
GOD bless you.
Peace.So it can potentially altering Allah’s book?
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example.. my argument
http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=32
(222)
l-kitābu
the book ordainThat is the ordain (of the Sunnnatullah, Law of Nature, Natural Order) about which there is no doubt, (the Natural Order is) a guidance for those conscious of Allah (Way of Allah, Sunnatullah, Energy, LordLaw of Cause & Effect). (22)
ie. they are
23 those who have iman in the Unseen (consequences, because? They) and establish (natural or ecological duty of) salat (ie. natural causes = natural effects, unnatural causes = unnatural effects) and spend (for jihad) from what We have provided for them;
24 those who have iman in what has been sent down to you and what was sent down before you (for One Same God, Nature's God), and are certain about the (consequences for the) Next World.
25 They are the (only) people guided by their LordLaw (of Nature, refer to 682-8. They are the ones who have success.
26 As for those who are kafir (of the Way of Allah/Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature), it makes no difference to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not have iman (in Natural Order ALONE!).
But as for those with sickness in their hearts (unnature), it (the revelation) will add doubt to their doubt, and they die kuffar. (9125)
~ The Unlettered (People of the Book of Grammar / Linguistic etc)
Now let see if this argument or your argument (grammar, linguistic bla bla bla is) consistent with 6236 verses from the Quran... let's see who does the "(the revelation) will add doubt to their doubt" and come with fallacious arguments...
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example.. my argument
ie. they are
23 those who have iman in the Unseen (consequences, because? They) and establish (natural or ecological duty of) salat (ie. natural causes = natural effects, unnatural causes = unnatural effects) and spend (for jihad) from what We have provided for them;
24 those who have iman in what has been sent down to you and what was sent down before you (for One Same God, Nature's God), and are certain about the (consequences for the) Next World.
25 They are the (only) people guided by their LordLaw (of Nature, refer to 682-8. They are the ones who have success.
26 As for those who are kafir (of the Way of Allah/Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature), it makes no difference to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not have iman (in Natural Order ALONE!).
But as for those with sickness in their hearts (unnature), it (the revelation) will add doubt to their doubt, and they die kuffar. (9125)
~ The Unlettered (People of the Book of Grammar / Linguistic etc)
Now let see if this argument or your argument (grammar, linguistic bla bla bla is) consistent with 6236 verses from the Quran... let's see who does the "(the revelation) will add doubt to their doubt" and come with fallacious arguments...
In the source text there is no word which means "doubt". The Arabic Verbal Noun for "doubt" is http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/0005.%20A%20Shakk%20doubt/2.gif
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In the source text there is no word which means "doubt". The Arabic Verbal Noun for "doubt" is http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/0005.%20A%20Shakk%20doubt/2.gif
That is your only argument?
Do you agree that you have wasted all your life?
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Peace Mahdi.
This is not an argument, quoteSo it can potentially altering Allah’s book?
Any translation by anyone can come into that categiry one can argue back. That is why you have the Arabic text.
The fact remains GOD allowed for all these changes and is aware of it. Don t you think the invisible soldiers of GOD are keeping pace with all the changes and protecting the text?
Arabic language was what is was and has become what it is now.Qoran has kept up , but you are deciding to revert back.
But as usual ,you will come back arguing your case and using what exists now .Are you sure you can do without the changes we have?
GOD bless you.
Peace.