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Definition of KAFIR

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    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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    Basic principle of Arabic; all nouns, except pronouns and proper nouns, are indefinite in their default state. They are made definite in the text only by two methods; prefixing definite article and by construct with second noun definite.

    That does not answer the question... do I need to repeat the question?

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      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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      I'm the Unlettered, ie. 1117 and here is the reason why I don't appreciate the traditional/conventional interpretation methodology ..

      https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41552581_2198230923726820_4447633703832649728_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=59a53aa2c0f3dde9d372008c204344f3&oe=5CCE7557

      ie. there is no merit for "originality" and it is Shirk (Kafir) ..

      You can never prove your point or argument...

      as proven above and our reality..

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        good_logic
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        Peace Mahdi.

        There are reasons why any language evolves. All languages go through this process. So when you say, quote

        Here is the issue, does the original Quran have diacritical marks and dots etc?

        your issue becomes worse because you need to try different prononciations of the word to see which one fits. Diactical marks and dots merely give you one prononciation of the word. Specific and easier for the majority of wors.

        Your "KAFARU" to you, as per the original, can also be "KUFIRU" or "KIFARU or ...many different prononciations.
        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

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          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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          Peace Mahdi.

          There are reasons why any language evolves. All languages go through this process. So when you say, quote

          Here is the issue, does the original Quran have diacritical marks and dots etc?

          your issue becomes worse because you need to try different prononciations of the word to see which one fits. Diactical marks and dots merely give you one prononciation of the word. Specific and easier for the majority of wors.

          Your "KAFARU" to you, as per the original, can also be "KUFIRU" or "KIFARU or ...many different prononciations.
          GOD bless you.
          Peace.

          So it can potentially altering Allah’s book?

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            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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            example.. my argument

            http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=32

            (222)
            l-kitābu
            the book ordain

            That is the ordain (of the Sunnnatullah, Law of Nature, Natural Order) about which there is no doubt, (the Natural Order is) a guidance for those conscious of Allah (Way of Allah, Sunnatullah, Energy, LordLaw of Cause & Effect). (22)

            ie. they are

            23 those who have iman in the Unseen (consequences, because? They) and establish (natural or ecological duty of) salat (ie. natural causes = natural effects, unnatural causes = unnatural effects) and spend (for jihad) from what We have provided for them;

            24 those who have iman in what has been sent down to you and what was sent down before you (for One Same God, Nature's God), and are certain about the (consequences for the) Next World.

            25 They are the (only) people guided by their LordLaw (of Nature, refer to 682-8. They are the ones who have success.

            26 As for those who are kafir (of the Way of Allah/Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature), it makes no difference to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not have iman (in Natural Order ALONE!).

            But as for those with sickness in their hearts (unnature), it (the revelation) will add doubt to their doubt, and they die kuffar. (9125)

            ~ The Unlettered (People of the Book of Grammar / Linguistic etc)

            Now let see if this argument or your argument (grammar, linguistic bla bla bla is) consistent with 6236 verses from the Quran... let's see who does the "(the revelation) will add doubt to their doubt" and come with fallacious arguments...

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              Mazhar
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              example.. my argument

              ie. they are

              23 those who have iman in the Unseen (consequences, because? They) and establish (natural or ecological duty of) salat (ie. natural causes = natural effects, unnatural causes = unnatural effects) and spend (for jihad) from what We have provided for them;

              24 those who have iman in what has been sent down to you and what was sent down before you (for One Same God, Nature's God), and are certain about the (consequences for the) Next World.

              25 They are the (only) people guided by their LordLaw (of Nature, refer to 682-8. They are the ones who have success.

              26 As for those who are kafir (of the Way of Allah/Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature), it makes no difference to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not have iman (in Natural Order ALONE!).

              But as for those with sickness in their hearts (unnature), it (the revelation) will add doubt to their doubt, and they die kuffar. (9125)

              ~ The Unlettered (People of the Book of Grammar / Linguistic etc)

              Now let see if this argument or your argument (grammar, linguistic bla bla bla is) consistent with 6236 verses from the Quran... let's see who does the "(the revelation) will add doubt to their doubt" and come with fallacious arguments...

              In the source text there is no word which means "doubt". The Arabic Verbal Noun for "doubt" is http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/0005.%20A%20Shakk%20doubt/2.gif

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                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                In the source text there is no word which means "doubt". The Arabic Verbal Noun for "doubt" is http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/0005.%20A%20Shakk%20doubt/2.gif

                That is your only argument?

                Do you agree that you have wasted all your life?

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                  good_logic
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                  Peace Mahdi.
                  This is not an argument, quote

                  So it can potentially altering Allah’s book?

                  Any translation by anyone can come into that categiry one can argue back. That is why you have the Arabic text.

                  The fact remains GOD allowed for all these changes and is aware of it. Don t you think the invisible soldiers of GOD are keeping pace with all the changes and protecting the text?

                  Arabic language was what is was and has become what it is now.Qoran has kept up , but you are deciding to revert back.
                  But as usual ,you will come back arguing your case and using what exists now .Are you sure you can do without the changes we have?
                  GOD bless you.
                  Peace.

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                    Mazhar
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                    That is your only argument?

                    Do you agree that you have wasted all your life?

                    They who wish not to see the original text and glean from what George Sale and Rodwel said are in fact wasting their time.

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                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                      They who wish not to see the original text and glean from what George Sale and Rodwel said are in fact wasting their time.

                      You know well that they do not speak! (2165)

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                        Mazhar
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                        example.. my argument

                        Quote from Mahdi Ibrahim on Today at 022924 AM

                        (222)
                        l-kitābu
                        the book ordain

                        That is the ordain (of the Sunnnatullah, Law of Nature, Natural Order) about which there is no doubt, (the Natural Order is) a guidance for those conscious of Allah (Way of Allah, Sunnatullah, Energy, LordLaw of Cause & Effect). (22)

                        ie. they are

                        Is the ORDAIN a noun?

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