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إِنَّ ٱلَّذِینَ كَفَرُوا۟ What have they disavowed?

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    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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    All the translators quoted from IslamAwakened are after George Sale; and it was mentioned "Thereafter many plagiarized"

    Why called him pseudo-scholar? Just read preface of his work.

    I think you should stop judging people based on Hasty Generalization (ie. bigotry) and look at the argument... the Message (fact); ie. did he change Allah's argument in verse 2.6?

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      Mazhar
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      I think you should stop judging people based on Hasty Generalization (ie. bigotry) and look at the argument... the Message (fact); ie. did he change Allah's argument in verse 2.6?

      A man can be judged when he has left his writings.

      Yes, if he was a scholar, he must not have changed a verb like particle into a conjunction particle and a verbal sentence into a noun. No translation theory permits it.

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        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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        A man can be judged when he has left his writings.

        Yes, if he was a scholar, he must not have changed a verb like particle into a conjunction particle and a verbal sentence into a noun. No translation theory permits it.

        How does that answer this question?

        did he change Allah's argument in verse 2.6?

        and what is your translation on verse 2.6?

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          Mazhar
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          How does that answer this question?

          and what is your translation on verse 2.6?

          I have already given detailed analysis of each word. You know Arabic better than me. Try rendering it in English.

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            good_logic
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            Brother Mahdi.

            Having had numerous conversations with you and judging by that, I will translate 26 as follows

            "It makes no difference to people like yourself whether you warn them or leave them(and I did warn you many times brother like on Allah=energy, pork is halal,...etc?!!!),they will carry on with their false arguments regardless."

            That is how I see it in most of your threads. .
            GOD bless you.
            Peace.

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              Mazhar
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              Brother Mahdi.

              Having had numerous conversations with you and judging by that, I will translate 26 as follows

              "It makes no difference to people like yourself whether you warn them or leave them(and I did warn you many times brother like on Allah=energy, pork is halal,...etc?!!!),they will carry on with their false arguments regardless."

              That is how I see it in most of your threads. .
              GOD bless you.
              Peace.

              Brother good logic,

              The speaker in your rendition is Mahdi; and addressee is you and me; have I correctly understood.

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                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                Brother Mahdi.

                Having had numerous conversations with you and judging by that, I will translate 26 as follows

                "It makes no difference to people like yourself whether you warn them or leave them(and I did warn you many times brother like on Allah=energy, pork is halal,...etc?!!!),they will carry on with their false arguments regardless."

                That is how I see it in most of your threads. .
                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

                You claimed Natural Order / Law of Nature / Sunnatullah is insane... how reliable or deluded is your argument / logic?

                Which of you is mad? (686)

                • delusional. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

                • Insanity. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature) from reality (nature).

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                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                  I have already given detailed analysis of each word. You know Arabic better than me. Try rendering it in English.

                  You know well that they do not speak. (2165)

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                    good_logic
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                    Yes I did address brother Mahdi. Like many other brothers and sisters here, I felt it was a waste of time and effort pointing to him contradictions. He has his own arguments as final say regardless what others say to him.

                    I do not mind if he at least look/reflects on, a contradiction or a false translation of certain words that are put to him with clear Qoran verses and grammar like in many of his threads. But he ignores facts and good arguments from others continuously.

                    All I can say is that it is his own way with the highway.

                    The risk of him not to be taken seriously is growing.

                    His choice brother Mazhar..
                    GOD bless you.
                    Peace.

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                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                      "You can't fix crazy, and crazy can't fix themselves."

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                        Mazhar
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                        Back to the question of thread, would someone try to answer?

                        What have they disavowed?

                        The pseudo-scholar George Sale translated these three words "As for the unbelievers,". Thereafter, many plagiarized.

                        Verb-Like Particle This is one of the six Particles called since, in some features, they resemble with verbs. They are sentential modifiers. What was earlier known as subject in a nominal sentence, because of its presence at the outset, that will now be called " -Noun of ", which is rendered in accusative case; and the predicate will be called which will be in nominative case/state.

                        1. It is used in front of a nominal sentence only.
                        2. It changes the grammatical case of the subject from nominative to accusative.
                        3. This Particle has a truth-intensifying function when used at a beginning of statement. It emphasizes that what follows is true.
                        1. It helps "neutralize" the emphatic effect of bringing subject in front of a verb in the nominal sentence and thus confers a normal tone on the sentence.

                        Relative Pronoun; Plural; masculine. It is the subject noun of preceding Verb-Like Particle.

                        This verbal sentence comprising of third person masculine plural perfect verb and subject pronoun referring the Relative pronoun is the linkage clause. Its Root is . Basic perception infolded is that of concealing, veiling, covering, hedging and denying to acknowledge a fact or favour.

                        The point to determine is as to what have they denied to acknowledge - disavowed?

                        Clue
                        this verb is made transitive by using preposition

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                          good_logic
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                          Thank you for acknowledging my points brother Mahdi. by your admission here, quote

                          You can't fix crazy, and crazy can't fix themselves."

                          I will not try again if you wish to stay "unfixed"
                          GOD bless you.
                          Peace.

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                            imrankhawaja
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                            cricket matches are getting FIXED by gambling.
                            threads are getting fixed by brother mahdi although he himself getting fixed from someone else he named it energy lol.

                            elders said dnt fix something if its not broken.
                            make sure when u fixed it u still see the signs of fixing.

                            brother mahdi here u go free on house for fixing hard nuts. elektro

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                              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                              That's how they see Nature and Natural Order, the Sunnatullah ... truly deluded..

                              You claimed Natural Order / Law of Nature / Sunnatullah is insane... how reliable or deluded is your argument / logic?

                              Which of you is mad? (686)

                              • delusional. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

                              • Insanity. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature) from reality (nature).

                              I will not try again if you wish to stay "unfixed"

                              threads are getting fixed by brother mahdi although he himself getting fixed from someone else he named it energy lol.

                              Can you save those who are already in Hell? (3919)

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                                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                Back to the question of thread, would someone try to answer?

                                what have they denied to acknowledge - disavowed?

                                Sunnatullah ALONE!

                                (Sunnatullah Alone Muslim, ie. Hanif... Pure Natural Believer)

                                • Ibrahim was a community in himself, exemplary, obedient to Allah , a Hanif / man of pure natural belief / Sunnatullah Alone Muslim . He was not one of the idolaters/unnaturalist (idols of the Unnature or Forced Justice). He was thankful for His blessings. Allah chose him and guided him to a straight path. We gave him good in this world and in the Next World he will be one of the righteous. Then We revealed to you "Follow the ideology of Ibrahim a man of pure natural belief . He was not one of the idolaters/unnaturalist (idols of the Unnature or Forced Justice)." (16120-123)

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                                LordLaw (Energy) of NATURE

                                Allah (is) the LordLaw (Energy) of the Universe. (12)

                                (Energy make certain the LordLaw of Cause & Effect)

                                Can your Allah disobey Law of Nature (My God)?

                                Proof?

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                                  good_logic
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                                  Can your Allah disobey Law of Nature (My God)?

                                  Proof?
                                  Brother Mahdi,
                                  The above, your quote, is like putting the cart before the horse. This is your upside down logic at work again. This is nonsense terminology. This is absurd and ridiculous . Now take notice of this

                                  My GOD created your(and everything else's) law of nature (your god). It is your god that cannot -will not- disobey my GOD- Not the other way around-...."Wa Lillahi YSJUDU everything on earth and heaven including the law of nature".... They cannot disobey the creator. .NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!!

                                  You keep coming up with illogical phrases and shouting out one false argument after another using your upside down logic..
                                  It reminds me of the heavy stone that GOD cannot lift?!!!!....Warped logic and nonsense!
                                  This is how you should rephrase it

                                  Can your law of nature disobey my GOD? It makes perfect sense now!!!!!
                                  GOD bless you.
                                  Peace.

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    Viruses are attacking the thread. Recovered.

                                    What have they disavowed?

                                    The pseudo-scholar George Sale translated these three words "As for the unbelievers,". Thereafter, many plagiarized.

                                    Verb-Like Particle This is one of the six Particles called since, in some features, they resemble with verbs. They are sentential modifiers. What was earlier known as subject in a nominal sentence, because of its presence at the outset, that will now be called " -Noun of ", which is rendered in accusative case; and the predicate will be called which will be in nominative case/state.

                                    1. It is used in front of a nominal sentence only.
                                    2. It changes the grammatical case of the subject from nominative to accusative.
                                    3. This Particle has a truth-intensifying function when used at a beginning of statement. It emphasizes that what follows is true.
                                    1. It helps "neutralize" the emphatic effect of bringing subject in front of a verb in the nominal sentence and thus confers a normal tone on the sentence.

                                    Relative Pronoun; Plural; masculine. It is the subject noun of preceding Verb-Like Particle.

                                    This verbal sentence comprising of third person masculine plural perfect verb and subject pronoun referring the Relative pronoun is the linkage clause. Its Root is . Basic perception infolded is that of concealing, veiling, covering, hedging and denying to acknowledge a fact or favour.

                                    The point to determine is as to what have they denied to acknowledge - disavowed?

                                    Clue
                                    this verb is made transitive by using preposition

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                                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                      Can your Allah disobey Law of Nature (My God)?

                                      Proof?
                                      Brother Mahdi,
                                      The above, your quote, is like putting the cart before the horse. This is your upside down logic at work again. This is nonsense terminology. This is absurd and ridiculous . Now take notice of this

                                      My GOD created your(and everything else's) law of nature (your god). It is your god that cannot -will not- disobey my GOD- Not the other way around-...."Wa Lillahi YSJUDU everything on earth and heaven including the law of nature".... They cannot disobey the creator. .NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!!

                                      You keep coming up with illogical phrases and shouting out one false argument after another using your upside down logic..
                                      It reminds me of the heavy stone that GOD cannot lift?!!!!....Warped logic and nonsense!
                                      This is how you should rephrase it

                                      Can your law of nature disobey my GOD? It makes perfect sense now!!!!!
                                      GOD bless you.
                                      Peace.

                                      Of course, all the times! NO EXCEPTION! .. are you blind? rotfl

                                      The likeness of those who are kafir is that of someone who yells out to something which cannot hear — it is nothing but a cry and a call. They are deaf, dumb and blind, and they fail to understand. (2171)

                                      and now it is clear there are only two points

                                      • My God The Natural -> LordLaw of Cause and Effect // Mathematical // Eco+Logical // Energy
                                      https//i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/37/b6/1f37b670a3b929bcb62f13d08931b4aa.jpg

                                      • Your God The Unnatural -> LordLaw of Cause and Effect // Mathematical // Eco+Logical // Energy
                                      https//pbs.twimg.com/media/C00rxOmUQAA9prK.jpg
                                      Who do you Worship? Allah or Shaytan?

                                      Say, "This is my way/Islam. It/Islam is with proofs and evidences! I, as well as those who follow me (REAL MUSLIMS), call you towards Allah ("with proofs and evidences" ONLY! Traits of "REAL MUSLIM&quot. He is the most High/CONSISTENT! I would never commit the sin of SHirK (ie. Shirk = "without proofs and evidences!", guesswork, inconsistencies... muSHirK )". (1210

                                      They follow nothing but guesswork and preach nothing but lie. (6116)

                                      They allot to Allah what they themselves dislike and their tongues frame the lie that they will receive the Best. There is no doubt at all that they will receive the Fire and that they are people who go to excess. (1662)

                                      Do you agree with this?


                                      now we wait for the "hypocritical arguments" ... laugh

                                      The hypocrites are in the lowest level of the Fire. (4145)

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                                        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                        كَفَرُوا۟ This verbal sentence comprising of third person masculine plural perfect verb and subject pronoun referring the Relative pronoun is the linkage clause. Its Root is ك ف ر. Basic perception infolded is that of concealing, veiling, covering, hedging and denying to acknowledge a fact or favour.

                                        The point to determine is as to what have they denied to acknowledge - disavowed?

                                        Natural Order.. and yes, it's that stupid.. ie. the Kafirun.

                                        Denying the truth (nature) doesn't change the facts (nature)

                                        That (is) the ordain no doubt in it, a Guidance for the Light/2435-conscious. (21)
                                        Indeed, those who disbelieve, (it) is same to them whether you warn them or not you warn them, not they believe. (26)

                                        • You cannot change the Law of Nature, The Sunnatullah (You will never encounter an alternative for sunnatullah. You will never find an alteration in the sunnatullah! (3543) ... EVEN YOUR ALLAH CANNOT DO THAT!)

                                        "It is a promise binding on Us / Allah (21103)"

                                        They cannot disobey the creator. .NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!!

                                        Wrong, and guesswork!
                                        .

                                        • You cannot fix insanity (ie. Kafirun.. those who against the Law of Nature / Sunnatullah .... "whether you warn them or not you warn them, not they believe" in Sunnatullah ALONE, in Natural Order ALONE)

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                                          Mazhar
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                                          What is the Law of Nature?

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