Did Abraham really dream of slaughtering his son? [37:103]
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You quote me Bro the traditionnal view that i know by heart.
Please try to re-read this quranic passage with the eyes and the heart of a new born...and look at carefully the signs from allah in the quran.
At least make attention of these 3 words (from corpus.quran.com) => It indicates something is ACHIEVED.
(371052)
addaqta
you have fulfilled(371022)
balagha
he reached(371023)
maahu
with himl-saya
the (age of) working/make efforts with him=> Noun
(226034) sayan
(in) haste(17196) sayah
the effort(171911) sayuhum
their effort(181043) sayuhum
their effort(21949) lisayihi
his effort(371024) l-saya
the (age of) working with him(53402) sayahu
his striving(76227) sayukum
your effort(8891) lisayih
With their effort(9242) sayakum
your efforts(371057)
l-mu'sinna
the good-doers.Peace
I loudly discard all traditional and so called modernist translations. I study the original text strictly following academic rules.
He was told that whatever you used to see in the dreams you have already done it. He did not see having slaughtered his son.
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I loudly discard all traditional and so called modernist translations. I study the original text strictly following academic rules.
He was told that whatever you used to see in the dreams you have already done it. He did not see having slaughtered his son.
Lets see how valid is your loud claim.
Translation from your website for 37102
"O My dear child, it is a fact that I keep seeing during sleep that I am about to slaughter you. Therefore, you look into it as to what you perceive about this phenomenon?"
There is no "about to" in Arabic text. Your claim to discard all traditional and modernist translations is not supported by your inflated translations.
One can never get the message of Quran if he/she does not approach it with a clean slate. Pre-conceived concepts will pollute the message.
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Only people with clean slate can get this message.
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Lets see how valid is your loud claim.
Translation from your website for 37102
"O My dear child, it is a fact that I keep seeing during sleep that I am about to slaughter you. Therefore, you look into it as to what you perceive about this phenomenon?"
There is no "about to" in Arabic text. Your claim to discard all traditional and modernist translations is not supported by your inflated translations.
One can never get the message of Quran if he/she does not approach it with a clean slate. Pre-conceived concepts will pollute the message.
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Only people with clean slate can get this message.
There are different type of texts by structure and meanings. The author writes with the presumption that the reader is aware how a text is read and how meanings are drawn conveying the intended message.
If you are aware what type of a text is in Ayah 37100-113, it will be easy for me to explain it to you what I have written.
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There are different type of texts by structure and meanings. The author writes with the presumption that the reader is aware how a text is read and how meanings are drawn conveying the intended message.
If you are aware what type of a text is in Ayah 37100-113, it will be easy for me to explain it to you what I have written.
The text in the Quraan is the word of Allah which He revealed for the guidance of human beings. He made it simple enough for us to get guidance from it.
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And we made the Quraan easy for reminder so is there one to take the reminder.
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The text in the Quraan is the word of Allah which He revealed for the guidance of human beings. He made it simple enough for us to get guidance from it.
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And we made the Quraan easy for reminder so is there one to take the reminder.
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The statement that Qur?n is rendered facilitative has the value of a claim - to say, without proof or evidence, that something is true. Since the statement is about a book which is meant for reading and comprehending, the statement will be true if the book facilitates the reader both in its reading and comprehension. This is the extent of the statement. If the critical reader finds the statement true to its extent it will obviously highlight the value, quality and importance of the book whereby he will become sincere and reverent for it.
For making some thing easy, facilitator we need to do something. We must know how is it made easy only then it will become easily understandable.
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Salam,
@ Wakas => thank you for the links (scattered on different topics). One of the main difference is about the translation of the verb "Talla" in 37103 and coherence with the rest of the Quran.
@ Novice => Yes. It is an effort of everyone to be humble in front of God and his words.
I have to struggle all the time with my mind and my ego
=> God confirms and sometimes corrected history into the bible. Infortunately, In many cases, we have assisted at a "biblisation" of the quran while the quran offer a new lecture of the bible. This example is for me the proof.Peace
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Quranic Rethoric A - B - X - B' - A'
Master, give me by grace (from offspring) among the upright ".
We gave him the glad tidings of a shrewd boy.When he was old enough to actively help his father,
He said "O my son, I had a vision in my dream I was sacrified you.
Take the time to think and tell me how you see this vision.
He said, "O my father, do what is ordained to you.
You will find me, God willing, one of the steadfast.When both had subjected,
and he heaped it to the forehead,We called him, "O Abraham!
You have realized the vision well.
This is how We reward the beneficent.
This was an explicit test.
We rewarded him with a sacrifice beyond measure
By perpetuated it to the after.
Peace over Abraham.
Thus We reward the beneficent.
He was of Our believing servants.We gave him the glad tidings of Isaac,
a prophet among the upright.=> I remarked Something interesting In God says "Believing servants". Why not just to say "Believing" if no real act has been made ? I think this an another sign from God...
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Not altering just my poor English translation sorry
=> O my son, I see myself in my sleep sacrificing you. Better in English ?
It is better but still needs improvement. There is no "myself" in the text. "in my sleep" this is preposition phrase with possessive phrase. In Arabic sentence it is only prepositional phrase.
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In Arabic the verb "adhbau" in 37102 is in the form " 1st person singular imperfect verb" right ?
And in English here is the definition of "imperfect verb" = The imperfect (abbreviated IMPERF) is a verb form which combines past tense (reference to a past time) and imperfective aspect (reference to a continuing or repeated event or state). It can have meanings similar to the English "was walking" or "used to walk." It contrasts with preterite forms, which refer to a single completed event in the past.
Otherwise give your traduction it will be more simple
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In Arabic the verb "adhbau" in 37102 is in the form " 1st person singular imperfect verb" right ?
And in English here is the definition of "imperfect verb" = The imperfect (abbreviated IMPERF) is a verb form which combines past tense (reference to a past time) and imperfective aspect (reference to a continuing or repeated event or state). It can have meanings similar to the English "was walking" or "used to walk." It contrasts with preterite forms, which refer to a single completed event in the past.
Otherwise give your traduction it will be more simple
The term "imperfect" in English refers to forms much more commonly called past progressive or past continuous (like was doing or were doing). These are combinations of past tense with specifically continuous or progressive aspect.
In Arabic this is done by using deficient verb Kana followed by imperfect verb,
The imperfect indicative mood verb does not restrict itself to any idea of time; it indicates enduring existence, begun and incomplete, either in past, present or future time. It indicates an act which does not take place at any one particular time to the exclusion of any other point in time, but which takes place all the time, or rather in speaking of which no notice is taken of time, but only of duration. In English grammar, we call it "the present indefinite ", meaning an action is happening right now, when it happens regularly, or unceasingly which is why it is so called.
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Salam!
Whatever the so-called grammar rules, the word does not mean 'slaughter'.
It means to split, to separate etc. Refer to when Ibrahim says that he has left his progeny near .
Event of Yousuf and Yaqub tells us what happens when a son is separated from a father and how father feels.
Read AQ with your own eyes, listen with you own ears and use your own intellect.Peace!
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Salam!
Whatever the so-called grammar rules, the word does not mean 'slaughter'.
It means to split, to separate etc. Refer to when Ibrahim says that he has left his progeny near .
Event of Yousuf and Yaqub tells us what happens when a son is separated from a father and how father feels.
Read AQ with your own eyes, listen with you own ears and use your own intellect.Peace!
Salam Bro,
Good remark about the primary signification BUT different view => To cut,to ripped from ordinary life and to dedicate first your life for spreading the message of god
Please Don't "cut" this word from the subject of the surah 37 for a better understanding. (My first post on this topic)
In others surah, without no doubt, it means physical "sacrifice" (animal) like in .The textual context is important as the member "Novice" underlined
Peace
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Salam Bro,
Good remark about the primary signification BUT different view => To cut,to ripped from ordinary life and to dedicate first your life for spreading the message of god
Please Don't "cut" this word from the subject of the surah 37 for a better understanding. (My first post on this topic)
In others surah, without no doubt, it means physical "sacrifice" (animal) like in .The textual context is important as the member "Novice" underlined
Peace
Every Root has a specific semantic field where it can be used. Like a seed which sprout and grow into a plant in a specific environment, each Root is used in specific semantic environment.
This Root is specific to slaughter -
A Killer causes the death of the Victim by rupturing, cutting a cleave in his throat.However there is no restriction if people wish to wander everywhere.
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Salam!
Who is 'killer' in the context, brother mazhar? Give proof.
There is no in 53, dear Iyyaka! Read again. There is no killing of animals required in order to get God's pleasure (i.e. Sacrifice) because He clearly tells that the flesh or blood does not reach Him. And He doea not need Rizq because He is the one who guves Rizq to all.Ibrahim left his progeny as a head of family. He prayed to God so that people may bring fruit to his progeny. Remember that prophets do not ask for /wage for their preaching. If you read whole account of Ibrahim and his sons you will come to know that only Ismael and Ishaq were among the /righteous among his progeny. Ibrahim is also father of all mumineen .
Peace!
