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Ma Malakat Aymanukum and ?oaths?

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    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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    the response from a moron who knows nothing about Islamic Law and Jurisprudence, and yet claim to know everything and an expert on it.. .the pseudo-scholars

    Have you ever heard about The Law of Matrimonial Property?

    The Law of Islamic Inheritance?

    Family Law?

    Law of Marriage?

    any idea?

    do you know how property pass to descendants, widow(s) etc? EVERYTHING is sadaqah? rotfl

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      huruf
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      I su hurt by your estimation!!!!!!!

      So the cat is out of the bag, for self called Qur'an believers, Qur'an is not the question the question is
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      Have you ever heard about The Law of Matrimonial Property?

      The Law of Islamic Inheritance?

      Family Law?

      Law of Marriage?"

      And for all those laws to be upheld, making many people, particularly women, into slaves, no matter which word the Qur'an says, is absolute need.

      No hope for "islamics" at all, even if they call themselves Qur'anists. Their little egos trump anything under the sun.

      Salaam

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        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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        I su hurt by your estimation!!!!!!!

        So the cat is out of the bag, for self called Qur'an believers, Qur'an is not the question the question is
        "
        Have you ever heard about The Law of Matrimonial Property?

        The Law of Islamic Inheritance?

        Family Law?

        Law of Marriage?"

        And for all those laws to be upheld, making many people, particularly women, into slaves, no matter which word the Qur'an says, is absolute need.

        No hope for "islamics" at all, even if they call themselves Qur'anists. Their little egos trump anything under the sun.

        Salaam

        as I said, pseudo-scholars... you can't fix them, it is infinite. rotfl

        He brought down from their fortresses those of the People of the Book who supported them and cast terror into their hearts. You killed some of them and some you took prisoner (slaves). He bequeathed their land, their houses and their wealth to you, and another land you had not yet trodden on. Allah has power over all things. O Prophet, tell your wives ´If you desire the life of the dunya and its finery, come and I will give you all you need and release you with kindness. But if you desire Allah and His Messenger and the abode of the akhira, Allah has prepared an immense reward for those among you who are good-doers.´ (3326-29)

        So which rule shall we adopt during wars and similar situation?

        please also explain the legal aspect of

        • Legal rights in Matrimonial Property

        • Legal rights in Islamic Inheritence

        • Legal rights from Contract of Marriage, What is "marriage"?

        • Legal rights from Contract of Employment OR Slavery, and their legal status?

        What is the Law?

        What is your authority?

        He has made an example for you from among yourselves. Are any of the slaves you own partners with you in what We have provided for you so that you are equal in respect of it, you fearing them the same as one another? (302

        Allah does make a metaphor an owned slave possessing no power over anything, and someone We have given plentiful provision who gives out from it secretly and openly. Are they the same? Praise be to Allah! They are not! But most people do not know it. (1675)

        Marry off those among you who are unmarried and those of your slaves and slavegirls who are righteous. (2432)

        Do not marry women of the idolaters until they have iman. A slavegirl who is one of the muminun is better for you than a woman of the idolaters, even though she may attract you. And do not give (your women) in marriage to men of the mushrikun until they have iman. A slave who is one of the muminun is better for you than a man of the idolaters, even though he may attract you. Such people call you to the Fire whereas Allah calls you, with His permission, to the Garden and forgiveness. He makes His Signs clear to people so that hopefully they will pay heed. (2221)

        let's get to the point.. explain the legal aspect of your argument.

        and what is your basis for the law of inheritance and matrimonial property etc?

        what is your authority or you're simply a lawless community?

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          Noon_waalqalami
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          Those who cannot find the means to marry should be abstinent until Allah enriches them from His bounty. If any slaves YOU own want to make a contract to free themselves (as your wife), write it for them if you know of good in them (for marriage) and give them some of the (matrimonial property or) wealth Allah has given you.

          clueless translation suggesting to make males as your wife?

          2433 and let refrain the ones not finding marriage of until enriches them the god from bounty his and the ones pursuing the writ from what control right hands yours faktibhum/so write ye them (masculine pl.) if know you in them (m/p) goodness of and gives ye them (m/p) from wealth the god the one brought you ...

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            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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            clueless translation suggesting to make males as your wife?

            terrible, please study the Law of Marriage etc and logic .. Jurisprudence,

            and not only grammar community. pseudo-scholars religion.. rotfl

            you do not enter into contract with her but from his wali ...

            how do you perform nikah, with the girl or from the bride's wali / male guardian?

            Those who cannot find the means to marry ... (2433)

            IF any of you do not have the means to marry free women who are muminun, you may marry slavegirls who are muminun. Allah knows best about your iman; you are all the same in that respect. Marry them with their owners' permission and give them their dowries correctly and courteously as married women, not in fornication or taking them as lovers. When they are married, if they commit fornication they should receive half the punishment of free women. This is for those of you who are afraid of committing fornication. But being patient is better for you. Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (425)

            Allah does make a metaphor an owned slave possessing no power over anything, and someone We have given plentiful provision who gives out from it secretly and openly. Are they the same? Praise be to Allah! They are not! But most people do not know it. (1675)

            Marry off those among you who are unmarried and those of your slaves and slavegirls who are righteous. (2432)

            Do not marry women of the idolaters until they have iman. A slavegirl who is one of the muminun is better for you than a woman of the idolaters, even though she may attract you. And do not give (your women) in marriage to men of the mushrikun until they have iman. A slave who is one of the muminun is better for you than a man of the idolaters, even though he may attract you. Such people call you to the Fire whereas Allah calls you, with His permission, to the Garden and forgiveness. He makes His Signs clear to people so that hopefully they will pay heed. (2221)

            You will not be able to be completely fair between your wives, however hard you try. (4129)

            EXCEPT

            ...if she gives herself to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to marry her, only for you, excluding the believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful. (3350)

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              huruf
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              ?hurray, yuupi, long live slavery!

              It is gone everywhere they say, but it is kept alive in Qur'an, ol over the Qur'an. No matter what it says, there must be slavery. Any word means slavery, particularly, women.

              And isn't it kind? Do not force you slaves into prostitution, soo without forcing them you can get money out of the business. Moral, moral, moral.

              Please, say it straight out, but do not use the Qur'an to parade inbumanity as religion.

              Do not force your (of course) slaves into prostitution... and that is

              But if you force them never mind, God forgives...

              supposed to be said by the same author who wrote the first thirty ayas of Sura An Nur...

              To say nuts... it is really to put it very mildly.

              Salaam

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                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                �hurray, yuupi, long live slavery!

                It is gone everywhere they say, but it is kept alive in Qur'an, ol over the Qur'an. No matter what it says, there must be slavery. Any word means slavery, particularly, women.

                And isn't it kind? Do not force you slaves into prostitution, soo without forcing them you can get money out of the business. Moral, moral, moral.

                Please, say it straight out, but do not use the Qur'an to parade inbumanity as religion.

                Do not force your (of course) slaves into prostitution... and that is

                But if you force them never mind, God forgives...

                supposed to be said by the same author who wrote the first thirty ayas of Sura An Nur...

                To say nuts... it is really to put it very mildly.

                Salaam

                Why don't you stop being a Joker and answer this question.. .

                So which rule shall we adopt during wars and similar situation?

                at least..

                Can you guarantee there will be no issue of slavery in future world wars etc?

                (ie. million of prisoners, and during scarcity, poverty, hunger etc.. which many of them "WILLINGLY" chosing slavery)

                A prisoner of war (short form POW) is a fighter who has been captured by the forces of the enemy, during an armed conflict. In past centuries, prisoners had no rights. They were usually killed or forced to be slaves. .... For most of human history, depending on the culture of the victors, enemy combatants on the losing side in a battle who had surrendered and been taken as a prisoner of war could expect to be either slaughtered or enslaved.

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                  Noon_waalqalami
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                  rotfl

                  you do not enter into contract with her but from his wali ...

                  you posted an ignorant translation, go back apply correctly ...

                  2433 faktibhum/so write ye them (masculine pl.)

                  let's see how it comes out?

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                    Mazhar
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                    you posted an ignorant translation, go back apply correctly ...

                    2433 faktibhum/so write ye them (masculine pl.)

                    let's see how it comes out?

                    http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0004.%20Kitab%20Kaaf%20Ta%20Ba/41.gif Verbal sentence Prefixed conjunction that shows cause and effect + Verb imperative; second person; plural; masculine; ; Subject pronoun, in nominative state + Suffixed object pronoun third person; plural; masculine, accusative state;

                    Form-III has reciprocal connotation.
                    This is the Predicate of preceding Relative Pronoun which is the subject
                    http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/024.%20An%20Noor/24.33a.gif

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                      Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                      you posted an ignorant translation, go back apply correctly ...

                      2433 فكاتبوهم fakātibūhum/so write ye them (masculine pl.)

                      let's see how it comes out?

                      you're stupid .. to whom you ask for marriage? how you perform nikah without "wali"? how can the bride's wali a female?

                      pseudo-scholars religion! rotfl

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                        huruf
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                        Nun, for God's sake, why would a man ever want to talk about marriage to a woman. Those are sissys who would do that. Straight men want men not flimsy women.

                        Back to the cotton wall

                        brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall

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                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                          for God's sake, why would a man ever want to talk about marriage to a woman...

                          That's why it is "masculine" ...seriously logic fail from pseudo-scholars religion! rotfl

                          IF any of you do not have the means to marry free women who are muminun, you may marry slavegirls who are muminun. Allah knows best about your iman; you are all the same in that respect. Marry them with their owners' permission and give them their dowries correctly and courteously as married women, not in fornication or taking them as lovers. When they are married, if they commit fornication they should receive half the punishment of free women. This is for those of you who are afraid of committing fornication. But being patient is better for you. Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (425)

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                            huruf
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                            ?Oh, yes, slavery ?ber alles!

                            Bring back slavery, but only for women, as it should be.

                            brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall

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                              Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                              �Oh, yes, slavery �ber alles!

                              Bring back slavery, but only for women, as it should be.

                              brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall

                              Do you have the I.Q. to understand the issue and argument of this thread? This is terrible https//www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/You_Can_t_Fix_Stupid.jpg..

                              So which rule shall we adopt during wars and similar situation?

                              you have no argument and being deluded, everywhere.. from one point to the other without logic or authority, it's impossible for any argument/discussion at all...clearly a retard. rotfl

                              Can you guarantee there will be no issue of slavery in future world wars etc?

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                                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                but only for women, as it should be.

                                marry the single among you and the righteous among your male slaves, and your female slaves. (2432)

                                slaves and slavegirls (2432)

                                Do not marry women of the idolaters until they have iman. A slavegirl who is one of the muminun is better for you than a woman of the idolaters, even though she may attract you. And do not give (your women) in marriage to men of the mushrikun until they have iman. A slave (men) who is one of the muminun is better for you than a man of the idolaters, even though he may attract you. Such people call you to the Fire whereas Allah calls you, with His permission, to the Garden and forgiveness. He makes His Signs clear to people so that hopefully they will pay heed. (2221)

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                                  Noon_waalqalami
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                                  you're stupid .. to whom you ask for marriage? how you perform nikah without "wali"? how can the bride's wali a female?

                                  pseudo-scholars religion! rotfl

                                  ok tried being civil only way to deal with dumb spammers with diarrhea.

                                  2433
                                  and the ones (does not pertain to no wali ? you illiterate!)

                                  so write ye them (i.e. those under your care not no wali ? you ignorant!) if know you in them goodness of

                                  and gives ye them (again not no wali ? dumb shit!) from wealth

                                  Lastly fuck off kill yourself ? you fucking madhi/moron!

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                                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                    Do you believe in some of the Book and reject the rest? (Q285)

                                    ok tried being civil only way to deal with dumb spammers with diarrhea.

                                    2433
                                    والذىن and the ones (does not pertain to no wali � you illiterate!)

                                    فكاتبوهم so write ye them (i.e. those under your care not no wali � you ignorant!) ان if علمتم know you فىهم in them خىرا goodness of

                                    واتوهم and gives ye them (again not no wali � dumb shit!) من from مال wealth

                                    Lastly fuck off kill yourself � you fucking madhi/moron!

                                    How does that prove the slavegirl can enter into marriage contract without the bride's wali (male / masculine)? How can the bride's wali be female when men are always being responsible/accountable for women (guardian)? To whom you ask for marriage?

                                    you may marry slavegirls who are muminun ... Marry them with their owners' permission and give them their dowries ... (425)

                                    the fatwa from pseudo-scholars are truly retarded ..

                                    The Arabs say, "We have iman." Say "You do not have iman." (Q4914) The Arabs (الْأَعْرَابُ) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know "Islam". (Q997)

                                    Arabs and how they read the Quran.. . rotfl

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