Muhammad not mentioned in the Koran...
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Peace yall
The christian word and subject tango is really fun to watch. But now it has gone for long enough
http//www.postfun.com/pfp/bible/bored/bigbored.gif
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Peace all,
Very often when two sides are debating with eachother... it's just a big demonstration of the "home-team syndrome"... the "us-and-them perspective".
Without sincere seeking for knowledge and bravery of risking beeing wrong... debates turn into totally useless, "parallel monologues", such as this thread.
If your mind is made up - it's made up... and nothing will change it. No reason, exposure to truth or proof will work.
Further, proofs and evidence can be anything the debater likes. Usually the two debaters throw opposing proofs at eachother... just creating more mess.Once upon a time, I was told by a nice s.c. convert muslim that I should check Islam out, and I'll find it's the real thing. I though to my self - "yeah, yeah, how can islam be right.. christianity is much older, and therefor must be more correct, simply since it came first" . . . that was how I was thinking.. not very intelligent. Actually, I didn't really believe that christiany was better or more true... I was just becoming defensive and I chose to mentally side with what was most familiar to me at that time. I wasn't thinking much at all.
Later though, I developed a completely new perspective... pretty much "identical" to main the ideas you find here on free-minds. I find it silly to see how people defend things out of ignorance... but I know how... even I did once to some degree.
If I realise that a debate is going nowhere... I prefer to leave it as soon as possible.... although I admit I sometimes do like to keep on throwing arguments back at the opponent since I "know" I'm true. I have a big problem with people following things that are obviously logically false.
A hint to ApplePie Your attempts to falsify quranic islam will reach NOWHERE here on this forum. It's just no use.
A question to ApplePie Which is most important... to be a christian or to follow the truth?? If christiany is true.. then congratulations to you.... but if it is NOT, then wouldn't you like to find the truth?? Is it more important to keep up with cultural traditions than to boldly seek the truth, (without preconceived opinions and a pre-established truth)???
Isn't truth most important WHATEVER it turns out to be???!???
When looking for the truth we MUST NOT already have a picture of it in our mind. We will always see what we want to see. We kind of create our own truths, deceiving our selves.
Peace to ApplePie, Damon and all
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Greetings Joe,
Thanks for your kind words?
Apple Pie wrote
And?.we already know that Jesus is God?as His divinity is interchangeable through-out the whole book?LOL, divinity is never applied to Jesus throughout the scripture . We already know God is a term used to refer to any person holding authority or representing God or any idol . This is prevalent throughout the scripture .
Pleasure?
2Pe 11 Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those equally precious with us, having obtained faith in the righteousness of our God and our Savior, Jesus Christ
2Pe 12 Grace to you, and peace be multiplied by a full knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord.
2Pe 13 As His divine power has given to us all things pertaining to life and godliness through the full knowledge of the One calling us through glory and virtue,
2Pe 14 by which means He has given to us the very great and precious promises, so that through these you might be partakers of the divine nature, escaping from the corruption in the world by lust.
2Pe 15 But also in this very thing, having brought in all diligence, having fully supplied in your faith virtue, and with virtue knowledge,
2Pe 16 and with the knowledge self-control, and with the self-control patience, and with the patience godliness,
2Pe 17 and with the godliness brotherly love, and with brotherly love, love.Apple Pie wrote
Observe the 12 examples that I gave you.I will refrain from explaining your examples to you until you can explain me the contradiction between your citations and mine in Mt 2436.
Pleasure?
Observe the vantage point of the son (Jesus)?
Mat 2429 And immediately after the affliction of those days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Mat 2430 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the heavens. And then all the tribes of the land will wail. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and much glory. Dan. 713
Mat 2431 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens to their ends.
Mat 2432 But learn the parable of the fig tree When its branch becomes tender and it puts out leaves, you know that the summer is near;
Mat 2433 so also you, when you see all these things, know that it is near at the doors.
Mat 2434 Truly I say to you, In no way will this generation pass away until all these things have occurred.
Mat 2435 The heaven and the earth will pass away, but My Words will not pass away, never!
Mat 2436 But as to that day and that hour, no one knows, neither the angels of Heaven, except My Father only.
Mat 2437 But as the days of Noah, so also will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 2438 For as they were in the days before the flood eating, and drinking, marrying, and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah went into the ark.
Mat 2439 And they did not know until the flood came and took all away. So also will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 2440 At that time two will be out in the field; the one is taken away, and the one is left;
Mat 2441 two grinding at the mill; one is taken away, and one is left.
Mat 2442 Watch, then, for you do not know in what hour your Lord comes.
Mat 2443 But know this, that if the housemaster had known in what watch the thief comes, he would have watched and not have allowed his house to be dug through.
Mat 2444 Because of this, you also be ready, for in that hour you think not, the Son of Man comes.
Mat 2445 Who then is the faithful and wise servant whom his Lord has set over His household, to give to them the food in season?
Mat 2446 Blessed is that servant whom his Lord shall find so doing when He comes.
Mat 2447 Truly I say to you, He will set him over all His substance.
Mat 2448 But if that wicked slave says in his heart, My Lord delays to come,
Mat 2449 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and to drink with the ones drinking,
Mat 2450 the Lord of that slave will come in a day in which he does not expect and in an hour which he does not know,
Mat 2451 and will cut him in two, and will appoint his portion with the hypocrites. There will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth.First of all, observe that we are quite clearly told that Jesus is indeed God by the manner in which He returns?
Jesus will be coming with the clouds?.allah will be coming with the clouds
Coming with the Clouds, Koran 2210
Coming with the Clouds, Book of Revelation (17, 101, 1112, 1414-16); Dan 7.13; Mat 24.30Obviously?.if allah is coming with the clouds; and Jesus is coming with the Clouds, then that would make Jesus the equal of God would it not??
Allah would not align his ?deity? with anything other than the real thing?.right?
Secondly, the vantage point of the son is as God in the Flesh.
Observe the vantage point described in Revelation, as it is now from the point of view of Heaven?
Rev 33 Then remember how you received and heard, and keep, and repent. If, then, you do not watch, I will come upon you like a thief and you will not at all know what hour I come upon you.
It is clear that these Biblical verses are describing the Triune nature of the One God
Jesus is God
Father is God
Spirit is God.Hope this helps?.Joe
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Greetings Andya Primanda,
Thanks for your comments?
Worse yet, Apple Pie does not even try to acknowledge that the topic of this thread, which is the accusation that 'Muhammad' is not found the Qur'an, has been refuted decisively by other earlier posts.
I appreciate you attempting to keep this thread on track.
As you can see?this is a most difficult task when dealing with Muslims, as they have great difficulty in staying focused on one topic.
Hence?I have allowed for considerable leeway in this post?as even the moderators can?t seem to keep on track?
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Greetings Andya Primanda,
Thanks for your comments?
Worse yet, Apple Pie does not even try to acknowledge that the topic of this thread, which is the accusation that 'Muhammad' is not found the Qur'an, has been refuted decisively by other earlier posts.
I appreciate you attempting to keep this thread on track.
As you can see?this is a most difficult task when dealing with Muslims, as they have great difficulty in staying focused on one topic.
Hence?I have allowed for considerable leeway in this post?as even the moderators can?t seem to keep on track?
Then I would like you to address why you ignore the posts that say 'Muhammad' is mentioned in this thread.
A short statement of "I admit I am wrong, 'Muhammad' is mentioned in the Qur'an" from you would be fine, if you are a fair debater.
But your point about moderating is good. At least mods should try to keep discussions on track, and tell people in spin-off discussions to open new threads.
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Salaams,
you guys are trying to convince apple pie about one thing when he isn't searching/finding but telling you guys another- everytime you say
sh-t isn't good to eat he says it looks and it smells rotten but its made of all these minerals which are good for .So i would leave people like that far alone in the field of Godliness - But I do believe he is still better in certain ways then a traditional muslim as to me they are more of idolaters then are people like apple pie.
No disrespects to anyone.
God Bless.
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Greetings Andya Primanda,
Thanks for your reply?
Then I would like you to address why you ignore the posts that say 'Muhammad' is mentioned in this thread.
A short statement of "I admit I am wrong, 'Muhammad' is mentioned in the Qur'an" from you would be fine, if you are a fair debater.
Let?s start here?
First of all?please show us ALL of the ayahs that you feel mention the ?prophet? of your book of faith.
Secondly, tell us why you think that the ayahs are describing your ?prophet??.
Thanks?
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hello applie pie,
i am going to add my 2 cents here. perhaps your inability to understand why the muslims here do not really care for your question stems from a difference of backgrounds.
the HUGE difference between christianity and islam is that for christians, Jesus the person is of the utmost importance himself. He is, you might say, the centerpiece.
However, Muhammad is not the centerpiece of Islam. Though he is loved and revered, Muslims do that out of their own hearts, not by any command in the Quran. The Quran is not meant to be a tale of Muhammad, (whereas the Bible is mostly tales/stories about Prophets). The Quran is meant at the utmost to be guide for how a successful society should be built. Muslims do not gain salvation through Muhammad, and his personality is only secondary, whereas for Christians, Jesus the person is critical.
That is why it appears so out of place that you yourself are obsessed with proving/disproving the person Muhammad. To us, all the evidence points to his existence and his being the Prophet... certainly no OTHER person is mentioned in the context of delivering the Quran. BUT despite that, for us it is not really all that critical... it is of historical interest, but our main goal is to implement the teachings of the Quran.
Your claim that the "authors" of the Quran felt the Bible was the true book and copied its stories seems rather silly, if you read the Quran in regards to the false deification of Jesus and how he was not crucified. There may be some superficial similarity in SOME of the stories in the Bible and the Quran, but the similarity ends there.. these are totally different books.
The others here have already answered your earlier questions, so there's no need for me to get into that.
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Greetings shuaib,
Thanks for your reply?
That is why it appears so out of place that you yourself are obsessed with proving/disproving the person Muhammad. To us, all the evidence points to his existence and his being the Prophet...
Are you speaking from the vantage point of the Koran?.or of Islam??
As the two are quite different?
certainly no OTHER person is mentioned in the context of delivering the Quran.
Oh really?..?
BUT despite that, for us it is not really all that critical... it is of historical interest,
Perhaps because you follow Islam instead of the Koran?
but our main goal is to implement the teachings of the Quran.
The teachings of Islam?.or the Koran?.?
Your claim that the "authors" of the Quran felt the Bible was the true book and copied its stories seems rather silly,
First of all, it?s not my claim, but the authors who penned the text as we know it today?
Secondly, the authors of the Koran fall all over themselves in proclaiming that they indeed utilized the trustworthy Jewish and Christian scriptures in their opus?
if you read the Quran in regards to the false deification of Jesus and how he was not crucified.
Actually, the Koran loudly and proudly confirms the deity of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, as well as His Crucifixion and subsequent Resurrection.
If you take the time to study the classic Arabic, then you cannot help but see this?
There may be some superficial similarity in SOME of the stories in the Bible and the Quran, but the similarity ends there.. these are totally different books.
Some similarity?..?
Thanks?
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Greetings Andya Primanda,
Thanks for your reply?
Then I would like you to address why you ignore the posts that say 'Muhammad' is mentioned in this thread.
A short statement of "I admit I am wrong, 'Muhammad' is mentioned in the Qur'an" from you would be fine, if you are a fair debater.
Let?s start here?
First of all?please show us ALL of the ayahs that you feel mention the ?prophet? of your book of faith.
Secondly, tell us why you think that the ayahs are describing your ?prophet??.
Thanks?
http//www.openburhan.com/pages/obeb94.html
3144
Wama muhammadun illarasoolun qad khalat min qablihi alrrusulu afa-in mataaw qutila inqalabtum AAala aAAqabikum wamanyanqalib AAala AAaqibayhi falan yadurra Allahashay-an wasayajzee Allahu alshshakireena
Literal
And Mohammad is not except a messenger, had passed/expired from before him the messengers, so if he died, or (he was) killed, you turned/returned on your heels , and whom turns/returns, on his two heels, so he will never/not harm God, a thing, and God will reward the thankful/grateful.3340
Ma kana muhammadun aba ahadin min rijalikum walakin rasoola Allahi wakhatama alnnabiyyeena wakana Allahu bikulli shay-in AAaleeman
Literal
Mohammad was not a father (to) anyone from your men, and but God's messenger, and the prophets' end/conclusion/final , and God was/is with every thing knowledgeable.472
Waallatheena amanoowaAAamiloo alssalihati waamanoo bimanuzzila AAala muhammadin wahuwa alhaqqu minrabbihim kaffara AAanhum sayyi-atihim waaslahabalahum
Literal
And those who believed and made/did the correct/righteous deeds, and believed with what was descended on Mohammad, and it is the truth from their Lord, He covered/substituted from them their sins/crimes, and He corrected/repaired their mind/thought/condition.4829
Muhammadun rasoolu Allahi waallatheenamaAAahu ashiddao AAala alkuffari ruhamaobaynahum tarahum rukkaAAan sujjadan yabtaghoona fadlanmina Allahi waridwanan seemahum feewujoohihim min athari alssujoodi thalika mathaluhumfee alttawrati wamathaluhum fee al-injeelikazarAAin akhraja shat-ahu faazarahu faistaghlathafaistawa AAala sooqihi yuAAjibu alzzurraAAaliyagheetha bihimu alkuffara waAAada Allahuallatheena amanoo waAAamiloo alssalihatiminhum maghfiratan waajran AAatheeman
Literal
Mohammad (is) God's messenger, and those who with him (are) strong over the disbelievers, merciful between them, you see them bowing, prostrating wishing/desiring grace/favour from God, and an acceptance/approval , their marks/identifications/expressions (are) in their faces/fronts from the prostration's trace/sign , that (is) their example in the Torah, and their example in the Bible/New Testament , as/like a plant/crop, it brought out/emerged its sprout/shoot , so it surrounded and strengthened it, so it hardened/thickened , so it straightened/leveled on its stem, it pleases/marvels the sowers/seeders/planters to anger/enrage with it the disbelievers, God promised those who believed and made/did the correct/righteous deeds from them, forgiveness and a great reward.There. That should be clear.
Now if you please, your retraction of the claim 'Muhammad is not mentioned in the Qur'an'... a simple 'I admit I am wrong' will do.
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apple pie,
well that was an interesting response. it would lead us astray from this topic, but i can't help but ask you to demonstrate for us ignorant folk how on earth the Quran claims that Jesus is God and that he was crucified.. at least for amusements sake.
for your information, (you may be new to the forum), but a great number of the people on this forum go back to the classical Arabic to understand the meaning of the Quran. (I know you might not expect that, considering that Christians RARELY go back to "original" source documents, but this is rather common amongst Muslims).
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Greetings Andya Primanda,
Thanks for your reply?
http//www.openburhan.com/pages/obeb94.html
3144
Wama muhammadun illarasoolun qad khalat min qablihi alrrusulu afa-in mataaw qutila inqalabtum AAala aAAqabikum wamanyanqalib AAala AAaqibayhi falan yadurra Allahashay-an wasayajzee Allahu alshshakireena
Literal
And Mohammad is not except a messenger, had passed/expired from before him the messengers, so if he died, or (he was) killed, you turned/returned on your heels , and whom turns/returns, on his two heels, so he will never/not harm God, a thing, and God will reward the thankful/grateful.3340
Ma kana muhammadun aba ahadin min rijalikum walakin rasoola Allahi wakhatama alnnabiyyeena wakana Allahu bikulli shay-in AAaleeman
Literal
Mohammad was not a father (to) anyone from your men, and but God's messenger, and the prophets' end/conclusion/final , and God was/is with every thing knowledgeable.472
Waallatheena amanoowaAAamiloo alssalihati waamanoo bimanuzzila AAala muhammadin wahuwa alhaqqu minrabbihim kaffara AAanhum sayyi-atihim waaslahabalahum
Literal
And those who believed and made/did the correct/righteous deeds, and believed with what was descended on Mohammad, and it is the truth from their Lord, He covered/substituted from them their sins/crimes, and He corrected/repaired their mind/thought/condition.4829
Muhammadun rasoolu Allahi waallatheenamaAAahu ashiddao AAala alkuffari ruhamaobaynahum tarahum rukkaAAan sujjadan yabtaghoona fadlanmina Allahi waridwanan seemahum feewujoohihim min athari alssujoodi thalika mathaluhumfee alttawrati wamathaluhum fee al-injeelikazarAAin akhraja shat-ahu faazarahu faistaghlathafaistawa AAala sooqihi yuAAjibu alzzurraAAaliyagheetha bihimu alkuffara waAAada Allahuallatheena amanoo waAAamiloo alssalihatiminhum maghfiratan waajran AAatheeman
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Mohammad (is) God's messenger, and those who with him (are) strong over the disbelievers, merciful between them, you see them bowing, prostrating wishing/desiring grace/favour from God, and an acceptance/approval , their marks/identifications/expressions (are) in their faces/fronts from the prostration's trace/sign , that (is) their example in the Torah, and their example in the Bible/New Testament , as/like a plant/crop, it brought out/emerged its sprout/shoot , so it surrounded and strengthened it, so it hardened/thickened , so it straightened/leveled on its stem, it pleases/marvels the sowers/seeders/planters to anger/enrage with it the disbelievers, God promised those who believed and made/did the correct/righteous deeds from them, forgiveness and a great reward.There. That should be clear.
So?.after you searched the entire Koran from start to finish, these four ayahs are all that you could come up with as evidence that you somehow ?feel? mentions your "prophet"?.? o
Thus?you conveniently forgot to mention exactly why it is that you feel that these ayahs are referring to Islam?s ?prophet?.
Let?s review the Arabic word that has been used in each of these ayahs...
= ?muhammadun?
?muhammadun? definition
A man praised much, or repeatedly, or time after time; endowed with many praiseworthy qualities. It comes from the root ?hamida?, which means he praised, eulogized, or commended him; spoke well of him; mentioned him with approbation; sometimes because of favor received. Also implies admiration; and it implies the magnifying, or honoring, of the object thereof; and lowliness, humility, or submissiveness, in the person who offers it. He declared the praises of God or he praised God much with good forms of praise.
Reference
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume two, pp. 638 - 640If these four ayahs were discussing your ?prophet?, then why is the word not even once mentioned as Islam?s ?prophet? in the Classical Lexicons?
Thanks?
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Greetings shuaibm
Thanks for your reply?
well that was an interesting response. it would lead us astray from this topic, but i can't help but ask you to demonstrate for us ignorant folk how on earth the Quran claims that Jesus is God and that he was crucified.. at least for amusements sake.
A prime location that declares the deity, Crucifixion, and Resurrected of Jesus comes from Sura 86.
I have detailed it in the Christianity section?enjoy?
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=28737#28737
You may also want to check-out Sura 89 as it confirms Jesus? Resurrection on the third day?
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=40634#40634
for your information, (you may be new to the forum), but a great number of the people on this forum go back to the classical Arabic to understand the meaning of the Quran. (I know you might not expect that, considering that Christians RARELY go back to "original" source documents, but this is rather common amongst Muslims).
This is one of my favorite forums for that very reason, that many of the Muslims here are not afraid to dig deep into their book of faith ? none the less, there are still plenty of ignorant Muslims (here & there) that claim to have open minds until they realize the truth that what they have always been taught turns out to be pure fabrication and abrogation of what was originally penned into their book of faith?.
Additionally, over the years in my discourse with Muslims, I have discovered that most Muslims are typically quite ignorant of what their Koran truly states, and most are more concerned with what Islam states on the matter, rather than what their own book of faith states?
Thanks?
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Nice try on dodging the issue Apple-Pie.
You asked
1 Is Muhammad mentioned in the Qur'an?
2 In what capacity is Muhammad mentioned in the Qur'an?I answered
1 Yes, explicitly in four verses
2
In 3144 as a messenger (rasul) like messengers before him
In 3340 as God's messenger (rasul Allah) and the final prophet (khatama an-nabiyyin)
In 472 as someone whom God descends truth to (nuzzila 'ala Muhammadin, wa huwa al-haqqu min Rabbihim)
In 4829 as God's messenger (rasul Allah)Unlike you, my first source for word meanings in the Qur'an is not Lane, but the original text of the Qur'an itself.
Now I demand your retraction. Come on, is it really hard to be a fair debater?
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Greetings Andya Primanda,
Thanks for your reply?
You asked
1 Is Muhammad mentioned in the Qur'an?
2 In what capacity is Muhammad mentioned in the Qur'an?I answered
1 Yes, explicitly in four verses
2Out of the entire Koran?..you can come up with only four ayahs that you feel even remotely mention your ?prophet??..?
Moses is mentioned 136 times and is specifically called a Prophet.
Do we ever find this of Islam's ?prophet?....?
Let?s look...
In 3144 as a messenger (rasul) like messengers before him
So..... is a messenger?.?
If this is the case, then could refer to anyone or anything?..not the ?prophet? of Islam?
In 472 as someone whom God descends truth to (nuzzila 'ala Muhammadin, wa huwa al-haqqu min Rabbihim)
Sent down to ?..again?..why do you want to make it out to be Islam?s ?prophet??..?
In 4829 as God's messenger (rasul Allah)
So..... is a messenger once again?.?
These first three can easily NOT refer to the ?prophet? of Islam.
As can easily be seen from the context?
Period.
That leaves us with one single solitary ayah (out of the entire Koran) that you feel refers to the ?prophet? of Islam?
In 3340 as God's messenger (rasul Allah) and the final prophet (khatama an-nabiyyin)
I would like for you to exegete the Arabic of this ayah so that we can really understand what it is stating?
Up for that??
After all?.you make this bold claim here?
Unlike you, my first source for word meanings in the Qur'an is not Lane, but the original text of the Qur'an itself.
Let?s see just how well you really understand the ?original text of the Qur?an itself??.
Thanks?
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Peace,
Somehow, as I contemplate on the Quranic verses, ahadiths (Bukhari, Malik, Saleh, Dawood, Tirmidhi and the like) and other outside exposures, and reasoning out Apple Pie's rebuttles, I believe that the "Religion of Islam" was invented/solicitated by Muhammad and/or by his scribes, who disobeyed GOD. One of the reasons why Muhammad was revered by the Arabs who turned the tables upside down.
I denounce all man-made religions.
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Apple Pie,
I have shown you. The Qur'an said that Muhammad is the messenger.
That is clear enough. Is it so hard for you to accept that we have answered your question? You shift the goalposts. But the verses are clear enough.
Muhammad is the messenger. God sent down his Message through Muhammad. Clear enough. We at this forum attach more importance to the Message instead of the Messenger.
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Greetings Andya Primanda,
Thanks for your reply?
I have shown you. The Qur'an said that Muhammad is the messenger.
So?now your ?prophet? has been reduced down to ?messenger? status??
That is clear enough. Is it so hard for you to accept that we have answered your question? You shift the goalposts. But the verses are clear enough.
The ayahs are very clear?..that is the problem for Muslims?.the scant few ayahs that you somehow feel mention your ?prophet? could easily apply to numerous others.
Muhammad is the messenger. God sent down his Message through Muhammad. Clear enough.
Unfortunately, your book of faith does not support this assertion.
The Koran does, however, give ample credence to it?s Biblical prophets such as Moses?as I have already mentioned.
Perhaps, if you are in need of a real trustworthy Prophet that is called as such, then you need to look past the figure-head one that Islam puts forth?.
We at this forum attach more importance to the Message instead of the Messenger.
Then you are speaking from the vantage point of Islam?.as your Koran definitely does NOT support your claim?as you are even afraid to look too deep into the Arabic text for what you might discover as the real truth?
Thanks?
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apple pie,
Thanks for posting the link, but I totally disagree with your interpretation (and indeed it is a far-fetched interpretation of the text). However, you have to realize that there is a huge difference in how Muslims deal with written scripture and how Christians deal with written scripture.
Very few Muslims would be able to relate with a people who can make 3 equal 1, and somehow logically comfort themselves that it makes sense. You also have not responded to the numerous contradictions in the Bible that was already presented, neither have any other Christians that I have met.
I had the longest debate with a Christian over the SIMPLEST things.. for example, Jesus "died" on Friday supposedly, yet 3 DAYS and 3 NIGHTS later is supposed to be Sunday?? Interestingly, a good number of Christians ARE finally coming around to realizing it should have been Good Wednesday instead of Good Friday... but the fact that most don't, despite the fact that it's a simple matter of counting for yourself, shows how Christians disrespect THEIR OWN text and twist it to their own ends.
This is why I doubt any Muslim could take a Christian interpretation of the Quran seriously. You basically twist the text of the Quran to your own ends, just as you twist the text of the Bible to your own ends. First clean up the interpretations of your own book, deal with the contradictions and fabrications in a logical and clean manner, THEN you may be in a position to comment on the Quran more convincingly.
As it is right now, you are blatantly committing hypocrasy with the Quran. You claim that the lexicons don't say muhammad means Prophet so it must refer to something else, YET in the same breath you claim At-Tariq refers to Jesus even though the lexicons DO NOT mention this!
You may get away with this kind of work in the Bible, but not with the Quran.