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Allah is ENERGY

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    imrankhawaja
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    mahdi touched the most beautiful part of elephant lmao rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

    since that day he thinks elephant is not a thing to discuss..

    medhi dnt beleive in stories becoz stories are fake laugh

    if mahdi was really there he first hide/eat the BANANAS of elephant group

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      hawk99
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      Salam,
      the story of the blind men and the elephant
      Once upon a time, there lived six blind men in a village. One day the villagers told them, "There is an elephant in the village today." They had no idea what an elephant is. They decided, "Even though we would not be able to see it, let us go and feel it anyway." All of them went and touched the elephant.

      ? "Hey, the elephant is a pillar," said the first man who touched his leg.
      ? "Oh, no! it is like a rope," said the second man who touched the tail.
      ? "Oh, no! it is like a thick branch of a tree," said the third man who touched the trunk of the elephant.
      ? "It is like a big hand fan" said the fourth man who touched the ear of the elephant.
      ? "It is like a huge wall," said the fifth man who touched the belly of the elephant.
      ? "It is like a solid pipe," Said the sixth man who touched the tusk of the elephant.

      They began to argue about the elephant and every one of them insisted that he was right. It looked like they were getting agitated. A wise man was passing by and he saw this. He stopped and asked them, "What is the matter?" They said, "We cannot agree to what the elephant is like." Each one of them told what he thought the elephant was like. The wise man calmly explained to them, "All of you are right. The reason each of you is telling it differently is because each of you touched a different part of the elephant. So, actually the elephant has all those features what you all said."

      The story warns that perceptions can lead to misinterpretation. Mahdi Ibrahim had a picture of the story in a post in this thread but it contradicts his view that Allah is energy.

      "He who has seen the Lord in a particular way limits the Lord to that alone and thinks that He is nothing else." (Ramkrishna Paramhamsa)

      You are wise to quote the wise man.

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        Mahdi_Ibrahim
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        Mahdi Ibrahim had a picture of the story in a post in this thread but it contradicts his view that Allah is energy.

        what is the contradiction? point it and give your reason and proof.. https//bigthink-img.rbl.ms/simage/https%3A%2F%2Fassets.rbl.ms%2F18411389%2F980x.jpg/2000%2C2000/lPkOOxL2IfhS59oC/img.jpg

        "He who has seen the Lord in a particular way limits the Lord to that alone and thinks that He is nothing else." (Ramkrishna Paramhamsa)

        Allah is the Light. (Q2435), THEREFORE

        لا إله إلا الله

        • no god matter

        • only Light Energy

        Allah is nothing else than Energy, everything is Energy .. this is Physics, not Philosophy! rotfl

        https//pics.me.me/everything-is-energy-and-thats-all-there-is-to-it-11964295.png

        science illiterate...

        • in this context, I see God as ONE ELEPHANT Energy, "He made all gods same god 385"... therefore, please check who are the blinds with an elephant because the story described religious and delusional people.. quoting it merely proves you have no comprehension on the story itself, and the blinds rotfl

        Facts

        • 320,000,000 gods

        • 2,000,000 denominations

        • 4,200 religions

        Fools but they do not know. (Q213) OF COURSE!

        https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46485824_2235677313315514_2926801387935236096_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=8106cb445addfd9e69ede8445530e7e5&oe=5D6A9109

        When he came to the Fire he was called "O Moses. I (FIRE) am your Lord!" (2013) https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28058353_2061436037406310_4315755807872917551_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=f8ca995448d4d23512101508f78a4ca0&oe=5D449600

        Like the fire of Moses which he saw as what he needed. It was Allah but he did not perceive it.

        https//scontent.fkul1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27657399_2053025714914009_1964688879776235174_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul1-1.fna&oh=d3a97e39b539374cf747782ede3a576d&oe=5D3A4256

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          MissMarple77
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          Here is how Quran talks about physicians (materialists, that blind men) in Surah 52

          35 Were they created from naught? Or are they the creators?

          This is what they say. Doesn't matter how sophisticated they describe nothingness.

          44 Were they to see a fragment falling from the sky, they would say, ?A heap of clouds.? 45 So leave them until they meet the Day when they will be thunderstruck, 46 a day when their scheming will avail them naught and they will not be helped.

          Surely you are right about how far we have gone astray from a natural livestyle and how sinful this is. But nature is a sign of the Creator and is forbidden to be worshipped. And physics is knowledge of nature and cannot explore anything beyond matter and energy.

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            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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            Here is how Quran talks about physicians (materialists, that blind men) in Surah 52

            35 Were they created from naught? Or are they the creators?

            This is what they say. Doesn't matter how sophisticated they describe nothingness.

            44 Were they to see a fragment falling from the sky, they would say, �A heap of clouds.� 45 So leave them until they meet the Day when they will be thunderstruck, 46 a day when their scheming will avail them naught and they will not be helped.

            Surely you are right about how far we have gone astray from a natural livestyle and how sinful this is. But nature is a sign of the Creator and is forbidden to be worshipped. And physics is knowledge of nature and cannot explore anything beyond matter and energy.

            Can you or your Allah disobey Nature (natural order)?

            How life would be if your Allah disobeys natural order?

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              imrankhawaja
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              How life would be if your Allah disobeys natural order?

              what is unnatural order ?

              intelligent design vs un-intelligent design

              explain with examples before opening pandora BOX i m talking about the order of cosmos explain me the un-natural order of cosmos how we will differeniate ?

              example

              sun rises from east = natural order
              sun rises from west = un-natural order sun

              i hope i have not to repeat myself u understanding well what i m asking isnt it ?

              its your turn brother now

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                Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                what is unnatural order ?

                intelligent design vs un-intelligent design

                fallacies and stupidity, when you cannot prove "consistency" of argument etc...

                delusion.n. an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

                insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature) from reality (nature)

                can you prove consistency in your argument?

                what is your proof that there are things other than ENERGY? https//images.slideplayer.com/14/4490787/slides/slide_1.jpg

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                  imrankhawaja
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                  @ mahdi ibrahim u r not a good friend/messenger lol bcoz u make me repeat again,

                  so if cosmos are doing stupidity and fallacies its mean cosmos is at un-natural order ?

                  what is your proof that there are things other than ENERGY? https//images.slideplayer.com/14/4490787/slides/slide_1.jpg

                  what is your proof there is nothing else than energy ?

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                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                    what is your proof there is nothing else than energy ?

                    my proof on its definition, ie. "energy is the cause of any change", the Creator.

                    so what is your proof things other than "is the cause of any change" and vibrations, atoms etc?

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                      imrankhawaja
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                      my proof on its definition, ie. "energy is the cause of any change", the Creator.

                      so what is your proof things other than "is the cause of any change" and vibrations etc?

                      your proof is not sufficent enough it lead to further questions even before science philosphy asked it..

                      what cause a change to make ENERGY at first place ? who caused it ?
                      what is the difference between (matter/antimatter) and LIFE ?

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                        imrankhawaja
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                        so if cosmos are doing stupidity and fallacies its mean cosmos is at un-natural order ?

                        brother that one was important question u missed it,
                        it will give lot help if u explain how cosmos can be un-natural ?

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                          Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                          your proof is not sufficent enough it lead to further questions even before science philosphy asked it..

                          what cause a change to make ENERGY at first place ? who caused it ?
                          what is the difference between (matter/antimatter) and LIFE ?

                          "what cause a change" is ENERGY... understand?

                          my proof on its definition, ie. "energy is the cause of any change", the Creator.

                          so what is your proof things other than "is the cause of any change" and vibrations, atoms etc?

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                            Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                            it will give lot help if u explain how cosmos can be un-natural ?

                            prove "consistency" of

                            Then how you identify it as the "cosmos" if it is being inconsistent as "cosmos"?

                            How you identify the patterns and named it as the "cosmos"? rotfl

                            He created seven universes in layers. You do not see any imperfection in the creation by the Almighty. Keep looking; Do you see any flaw? (Q673)

                            CONSEQUENCE, is NO COINCIDENCE (consistency)

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                              imrankhawaja
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                              Brother why it's always my luck to explain own questions to members due to which discussion stuck where it's started.

                              We already know it's natural and perfect and intelligent design as we already observing it.

                              I want you to tell me unnatural, imperfect and unintelligent design in cosmos with examples ?

                              I will not repeat my THING again if u will beat the bush around again.Take ur time PLZ

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                                TheHinaterians
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                                What is there other than Energy? Tell me...

                                I understand atheism's view and as atheists are beings like us their brain is extra careful about details which is natural, though they seem to not analyse long enough or openly enough to listen to valid points or discover the links.

                                What created the quarks? how can vibrations create vibrations? Does nothing create nothing?
                                For there to be existence there needs to be something FIRST.

                                What initiated the Big Bang?

                                What planned for the universe to be closed? (physics theory . 0 . )

                                How did nature point out to be perfectly calculated and detailed so that observe it with awe each time?
                                You may say that's just where we woke up and found everything to be.
                                We did not witness creationism or evolution occur, yet you only support evolution but not creationism.
                                The only invisible thing here is your logic or patience or focus (with all respect).
                                Yes, according to my sight God is invisible, though according to logic and convincing proofs, there is a creator that initialised all this you see and don't see with a naked eye.

                                May your "quarks" bless you (even though they just are simply matter and not the creator of themselves and universe(s)),
                                TheHinaterians

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                                  Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                  I want you to tell me unnatural, imperfect and unintelligent design in cosmos with examples ?

                                  • You believe in the Unnatural, and cannot prove there are things other than Energy

                                  • I believe in the Natural, and already prove that it is "the patterns (ENERGY)" you identify it as the "cosmos"

                                  • Even the one you identified as the unnatural patterns are also ENERGY, which is at all times supporting "my argument"

                                  Thus why then I'm the one who should proves the unnatural etc. ie. your argument.. stupid or what? rotfl

                                  What's wrong with your logic? (Q6836)

                                  It is your burden of proof to show that it is NOT Energy (the ability to do work)


                                  so what is your proof things other than "is the cause of any change" and vibrations, atoms etc?

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                                    Mahdi_Ibrahim
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                                    I understand atheism's view and as atheists are beings like us their brain is extra careful about details which is natural, though they seem to not analyse long enough or openly enough to listen to valid points or discover the links.

                                    What created the quarks? how can vibrations create vibrations? Does nothing create nothing?
                                    For there to be existence there needs to be something FIRST .

                                    What initiated the Big Bang?

                                    What planned for the universe to be closed? (physics theory . 0 . )

                                    How did nature point out to be perfectly calculated and detailed so that observe it with awe each time ?
                                    You may say that's just where we woke up and found everything to be.
                                    We did not witness creationism or evolution occur, yet you only support evolution but not creationism.
                                    The only invisible thing here is your logic or patience or focus (with all respect).
                                    Yes, according to my sight God is invisible, though according to logic and convincing proofs, there is a creator that initialised all this you see and don't see with a naked eye.

                                    May your "quarks" bless you (even though they just are simply matter and not the creator of themselves and universe(s)),
                                    TheHinaterians

                                    So does all that already answered my argument that Allah is ENERGY?

                                    my proof on its definition, ie. "energy is the cause of any change", the Creator.

                                    and to the extent

                                    Who controls hearing and sight? (Q1031) Who?

                                    Is it not the "capacity for doing work" or the cause of any change"? laugh

                                    https//i.ytimg.com/vi/o_5oYuDY2qM/hqdefault.jpg

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                                      imrankhawaja
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                                      I want you to tell me unnatural, imperfect and unintelligent design in cosmos with examples ?

                                      I will not repeat my THING again if u will beat the bush around again.Take ur time PLZ

                                      i know you or anybody else dnt have this answer ACT on bold again i know you spend hours finding the answer but live with it now yay

                                      THINK THINK THINK

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                                        imrankhawaja
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                                        so if cosmos are doing stupidity and fallacies its mean cosmos is at un-natural order ?

                                        rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

                                        at this occassion why you told us about un-natural, becoz thats what u can find it in human imagination ...human experience and u just copy cat sommeone else work ... now i turned the tables to see how much knowledge a MESSENGER have ?

                                        as soon i convert it to cosmos you get stumped hahahaha yay yay yay

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                                          imrankhawaja
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                                          fallacies and stupidity,

                                          lol i tricked you same way the way king get tricked from abraham , this book is lovely rotfl

                                          Thus why then I'm the one who should proves the unnatural etc. ie. your argument.. stupid or what? rotfl

                                          its time to go home mate... voodoo
                                          you consistently proves and posted about un-natural things about humans but you failed in cosmos lol

                                          the creation of universe is far superior than human beings (al quran) yes

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