Are humans naturally drawn to evil?
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I read somewhere, humans naturally want to be evil. That's why there is a narcissistic epidemic.
So if the jinn devils who give us evil suggestions didn't exist, would we still naturally be drawn to evil?
On the other hand, some people are also naturally drawn to all things good?
Humans (and so does other animals) naturally are egocentric.
Ego is not necessarily bad, to some extent it is healthy and it's the sole driver for survival.Good / Evil need a perspective
To categorize evil / bad one need to put on a perspective. From which perspective that an event is viewed as bad/evil? Human tends to label an event which he/she doesn't like as evil/bad and those which he/she likes as good. Thus the need to put a perspective.
Asteroid fall down to earth 55 million years ago, that's good from the perspective of mammals thus human but bad / evil from the perspective of dinosaurs. Otherwise you will not have the luxury of reading this forum but being busy to hide from a menacing T-Rex. Or.. human will never come into existence anyway without such catastrophic event.
Thus to see something as good or evil/bad one needs to use many perspectives, as possible. From all of those perspectives is an event/action/attitude good or bad in overall for ALL?
Good/Evil Attitude Within Metro Systems
Now let's put the above into context..
Let's put a simple everyday life context.. let's say... city metro.. yes metro.. or in UK they call it 'tube' and some others calls it 'subway'..When the metro is empty, such as in non-rush hour, you can observe how human behavior are relatively nicer, they suppressed their ego which resulted in they act more social.
They are willing to give a seat to those who need the most; grandma, grandpa, pregnant woman, woman with child etc.. Those who gives out their seat are sacrificing their comfort (thus ego) for the sake of other people's comfort.
Then things turned south during rush hour, when the metro is full packed and one can be considered lucky when he/she managed to find a space to stand within the metro.
Due to the perceived threat of 'lackness of space', everyone feel their survivability are being threatened thus 'ego boost' is being turned on. Aggressiveness soared to all time high, and nobody will even give ways to let other people onboard. They're prioritizing on themselves.. first... and doesn't give a damn to grandpa, grandma who might suffocate in the midst of the crowd.The behavior is consistent throughout many nations, tradition, culture, Tokyo, Beijing, New York, Jakarta, Moscow, Hongkong, Paris, Rome.
Aggressiveness and Egocentric attitude are 'bad/evil' especially if we use the perspective of grandpa grandma trying to board the metro. And how we can solve this issue? How can we tone down people's aggressivity and egocentric attitude?
It's either
(A) By adding more train and / or wagon thus there will be more space available.
Or.... if we followed of Marvel's villain way of thinking (Thanos)
(B) By reducing the overall human population. (Massive Killing)(B) is considered to be 'bad/evil' choice because if we use the perspective of those who are being killed / murdered, the option caused suffering to them.
Yet both option in overall shall resulted in people attitude changing towards 'good' / 'better' within the context of Metro.
Summary
Thus to generally summed up and answer your question-
Does humans naturally want to be evil?
The answer is NO, but sometimes dangerous situation / crisis will cause them to act selfishly in disregard of other people's or other being's plight. (ego-centric attitude, ME/US first and f&*k other people) -
What caused narcissistic epidemic?
Narcism is caused by feeling of insecurity and lack of self-confidence.
The more secure and confident an individual feel about him/her self, the less narcist he/she will become.
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whats about the people who commit rape/theft/stealing/murder ?
BAD soul is bad
Good soul is good.dosent matter whatever time/space we are in, a conscience of our own tells us what is bad and good..
today a 3 year old girl get raped in KASHMIR ?
every single day we see innocent people suffer from bad people ?last month someone broke in to my aunt house and robbed all her gold and money just because she forget to lock the door for the first time. it was armed robbery.. ? whats their perception ?
REASON because robbers/dacoits were so self-centered, they were afraid of hunger, thats why their reason tells them to rob a old WIDOW who herself have no support because she have no son only daughters.
on top of that they behave arrogantly i wish i put them six feet down if i get a chance for the benefit of other weak people.but like always i left on God to decide.he is the best of planner.
Now let's put the above into context..
Let's put a simple everyday life context.. let's say... city metro.. yes metro.. or in UK they call it 'tube' and some others calls it 'subway'..When the metro is empty, such as in non-rush hour, you can observe how human behavior are relatively nicer, they suppressed their ego which resulted in they act more social.
They are willing to give a seat to those who need the most; grandma, grandpa, pregnant woman, woman with child etc.. Those who gives out their seat are sacrificing their comfort (thus ego) for the sake of other people's comfort.
Then things turned south during rush hour, when the metro is full packed and one can be considered lucky when he/she managed to find a space to stand within the metro.
Due to the perceived threat of 'lackness of space', everyone feel their survivability are being threatened thus 'ego boost' is being turned on. Aggressiveness soared to all time high, and nobody will even give ways to let other people onboard. They're prioritizing on themselves.. first... and doesn't give a damn to grandpa, grandma who might suffocate in the midst of the crowd.its not TRUE i myself gave my seats to old people on bus/train exactly in the rush/peak hour. (many times)
i also witness lot of people give their seats while i was thinking to get up.. in rush/peak hour. (many times)
there are also some selfish self centered people who dnt give a **** bout old people.. even in offpeak time..
some of them so much self centered they are capturing a disable seat and upon seeing a disable person they still never stand up from that seat..
Good soul is good at every time/space/condition.
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whats about the people who commit rape/theft/stealing/murder ?
BAD soul is bad
Good soul is good.dosent matter whatever time/space we are in, a conscience of our own tells us what is bad and good..
some of them so much self centered they are capturing a disable seat and upon seeing a disable person they still never stand up from that seat..
Good soul is good at every time/space/condition.
I tend to believe so...
As I saw few souls does tends to differentiate themselves among others..
Like this gentlemen below.https//static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/08/28/17/nazi12.png?w968
Nazi trooper who saved jewish prisoner
Japanese trooper who defected against their own empire (after witnessing the Nanking massacre)
An honest officials who refused to take bribes in the midst of corrupted government..
And on and on...Yet it also somehow justify the idea of 'many lives' / 'reincarnation'.
And see whether the good soul is always good at every time/space/condition.. -
Yet it also somehow justify the idea of 'many lives' / 'reincarnation'.
And see whether the good soul is always good at every time/space/condition..To be honest i dnt have wish to get reincarnated.
Its like when i study 16 years of education and i never wanted to repeat the class again.
And i have feelings if we didnt do crimes therez no point for our test/task left due to this reason i/we should not promote crimes but also do good deeds for putting ourselves at risk free grades.
Upon experiencing extreme evil people i do agree reincarnation does make sense and there are also some verses hints bout reincarnation.
And we dnt even know how many times we already been there. Reincarnation is also confusing sometimes.
Also sometimes i had dejavu if its real then possibly its mean i failed last time in life ?
Once a member TRUTHSEEKER write a detailed analysis on it that post make sense if someone come at this world again as volunteer to help other people. Who already passed the test/task
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To be honest i dnt have wish to get reincarnated.
According to those who has experienced NDE, majority of them actually wanted to remained "dead".. thus inline with what you are saying...
Its like when i study 16 years of education and i never wanted to repeat the class again.
Unless the class will be a totally different subject?
And i have feelings if we didnt do crimes therez no point for our test/task left due to this reason i/we should not promote crimes but also do good deeds for putting ourselves at risk free grades.
But the definition of 'crimes' and also the definition of 'good deeds' varies in accordance to life context.
That specific dude who didn't do proper nazi salute was actually end up being punished for his crime.
When you were born within Nazi Germany context, 'good deeds' are obeying the fuhrer, hating the jews (and other races which are not Aryan) and willingness to fight and die for (nazi) germany. And those who are not willing to do the above has comitted a crime and shunned by the society.Let alone if you actually helped filthy jews to escape.. that's worst of the worst.. the scum of the scum.. a traitor.. a humiliation to the entire human kind. *as jews or non-aryan is actually not human
Who knows when you were born within Nazi Germany context, you will become a diehard fans of the Fuhrer.. right?
But the hardest test will be actually when you were put in the 'upper hand' when you are the most powerful of the powerful.
And what will you do when you are put in Moses's pharaoh context?
Will you do the following?"Hereby I declare there will be no more slavery nor forced labor in the realm, whether it's the israelites, the nubians, the edomites, the egyptians, the hittites, the assyrians whatever... Those who are living within the realm are all equal citizen of the empire, no special rights will be given to anyone just because of their ancestry or origin.
And everyone shall earn their rights to believe whatever they wanted and to follow whatever tradition or religion that they wanted to believe in.
So Mr. Moses.. I've looked into your case, hereby I pardoned your past crime.
And you don't need to ask the israelites to go somewhere just to worship YHVH.
You can build your temple to YHVH within my realm.
I will allocate funds from the state budget to help you build the temple.Last and not least, I'm human, not god or deities.. so anyone should stop worshiping as if I'm a God or something. You all are NOT my servant, on contrary I'm actually a servant to the citizen of Egypt.
Thus herewith I declare the pharaoh office to be limited to 5 years term. Every 5 years we will do an election for all populace within the empire for them to elect who should be their Pharaoh and also who should be their representative within the government to control the governing Pharaoh for the next 5 years.
Neither my sons or my progeny will automatically become a Pharaoh, thus herewith I also declare the end of my dynasty. The details of this rule will be written in the new constitution of the Egyptian Republic."
So far I haven't seen any absolute ruler who did the above.. willingly.. without being forced... rotfl
While the opposite.. there are many evidence..But if there is one.. I think he (or she) has passed the 'life test' with A++ Grade..
Yet when Moses's Pharaoh actually did the above then it will change the subsequent events.. there will be no Torah, no Israelites, no Christianity and no Islam as well..
What kind of story if it's being written like this?
"Moses Pharaoh I hereby demand this and this and this
Pharaoh Sure Moses you can have it
Moses Really? No catch? No trick? Is it really this easy?
Pharaoh Yeah sure..
Moses Are you sure? you're not angry? not chasing us up to the red sea?
Pharaoh Why I need to chase you down to the red sea? I said it's ok.. you can have it...
THE END" rotflEncore
Moses Oh come on pharaoh.. work with me here.. be an angry man.. be arrogant... be a dictator.. be evil!!! Otherwise I will not be famous prophet.. there will be no great story to tell!!! We need to have this kind of good vs evil kind of drama thingy you know???.. where you will be the bad guy and I will be the good guy... to make the story interesting....Plus the Pharaoh potentially will ended up being murdered by "Egyptian Fundamentalist/Extremist" anyway..
As his ruling above are against their own interest and will make them lose their privileges of being an "Egyptian Elite Classes" who can own slaves who works without any salary or appropriate working condition. (ref American Civil War and how Abe Lincoln ended up being murdered) -
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608745.msg392982#msg392982 that post i was talking about i found it in my 3 year old thread. i ll have to reload that thread with recent findings infact quran also hints towards reincarnation..
But the definition of 'crimes' and also the definition of 'good deeds' varies in accordance to life context.
CRIME is always crime. good is always good. our conscience already warned us before we do it or plan to do it..
That specific dude who didn't do proper nazi salute was actually end up being punished for his crime.
When you were born within Nazi Germany context, 'good deeds' are obeying the fuhrer, hating the jews (and other races which are not Aryan) and willingness to fight and die for (nazi) germany. And those who are not willing to do the above has comitted a crime and shunned by the society.
i AGREE here with you and also i have my past experience related with me.. example in my professional life..
first JOB 2004 (PAK) ( i left it due to the reason all were bribe takers and untill i was team leader i tried giving my duty when i get tired after 3 yrs they requested me to leave so that they can earn lot of money )..last JOB 2018 (UK) ( i left because i was managing the business for my owner and he want me to sell expire chocolates for milkshakes = dishonesty) ...
both events give me loss of money, and labelled me as i have ATTITUDE even some of my close people..lol and sadness come as extra package
Who knows when you were born within Nazi Germany context, you will become a diehard fans of the Fuhrer.. right?
rotfl rotfl i agree yesterday when u send me that pic i was thinking i m reincarnated soul of that person in pic who did not raise his hand yay
And what will you do when you are put in Moses's pharaoh context?
Will you do the following?BOLD i will definately request moses to get mummified like pharoah so that we can see why his hairs on mummy still growing rotfl
as my research and study going on with reincarnation i tend to feel every person/s is /were/ will be present in all time/space the day since this test/task started ...
but the population graph we can see increasing i m just working on that part..
may be we were slaves of bani isreal at that time, or the people of firoon,
things are so complexed/complicated, or may be when the SUN expired thats the timelimit we all have in this planet and God will gona calculate all the good deeds and bad deeds in a MEEZAN to see how many times he was good soul and how many times he was bad soul... rotfl (in all reincarnated cycles) .. but its also confusing as God is the one who put a soul in time space by the characteristics of good and bad.. ( confused) @ extreme
ibless character asked this (time-limit) perhaps so we have more billions years untill sun get died but hawkins said earth can be destroyed by any event in near future so the future of earth is not that bright...
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as my research and study going on with reincarnation i tend to feel every person/s is /were/ will be present in all time/space the day since this test/task started ...
Then perhaps as your next 'lesson', you will be put inside the body with an identity of a Hindu with Indian nationality, thus you can learn few things from that perspective.. bravo
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Then perhaps as your next 'lesson', you will be put inside the body with an identity of a Hindu with Indian nationality, thus you can learn few things from that perspective.. bravo
upon asking from my grandfather many many years ago he told a story how they converted to sunni islam,
they belong to HINDU royal family and mistakenly/accidently my great great grandfather killed a cow so according to the law he sentenced for death penalty, but a twist happened in story when there was a person in the same cell who was muslim and advised him to accept islam so that punishment no longer applicable as muslims sacrifice cow every single day..
when he did this the royal family disowned him from royal title and give him no money and status. the muslim person advised him to do {(11th peer) khatam/offering} on every eleventh of the month AKA ( abdul qadir jilani )= 11th peer.
that practise was still going on but i was the first rebel who told them not to do it anymore and get a label kaffir lol
they said we found our forefathers doing it and i replied whats the book of God is saying is more applicable to what our forefathers saying..that was the time when i just discovered there are people in muslims exist who reject the authorties of hadith, it was usch a lovely day but things never stop there i realised i have lot lot more to learn ...
i m still on a path (unknown) lol but good thing the factor of fear is getting less and less.. that was the only factor what disturbed my reason so many times.. still a part of it is going on somewhere in my mind..
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upon asking from my grandfather many many years ago he told a story how they converted to sunni islam,
they belong to HINDU royal family and mistakenly/accidently my great great grandfather killed a cow so according to the law he sentenced for death penalty, but a twist happened in story when there was a person in the same cell who was muslim and advised him to accept islam so that punishment no longer applicable as muslims sacrifice cow every single day..
when he did this the royal family disowned him from royal title and give him no money and status. the muslim person advised him to do {(11th peer) khatam/offering} on every eleventh of the month AKA ( abdul qadir jilani )= 11th peer.
Your grandpa prison mate gave out a very smart advice.. bravo
But back to the topic of our previous discussion...
The above story only explain why you (in current lifetime) somehow have negative opinion about hindu and anything associated with it, such as India.
You haven't really learn on 'how things are' from the perspective of a hindu and / or those with India as nationality.Thus a 'life experience' of having such identity as your own might be a good lesson for you..
And perhaps with additional background of (but this time around) having a history of your own family members being persecuted by a 'Muslim'.i m still on a path (unknown) lol but good thing the factor of fear is getting less and less.. that was the only factor what disturbed my reason so many times.. still a part of it is going on somewhere in my mind..
Fear, just like Hate, is a very strong emotion.. thus definitely will disturb your own reasoning..
But I'm glad to hear that you manage to control your own fear better now...