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An Critic on Qur'anic Ayats

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    imrankhawaja
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    . I just don't have enough much scientific knowledge on branches like embryology or astronomy and i hope anyone here who is willing to review critically on this.

    thats why you are struggling my brother,

    first of all get knowledge instead of wasting your precious time on consprisy theorists and low-profiled people like dr kashif and amar and flat earthers you should read SCIENCE, EMBRYOLOGY, HISTORY, GRAMMER etc once you have a grip on things then its easy for you to locate their stupidity faster than the speed of light...

    LOOK an example...

    The original composition date or century for the Kamasutra is unknown. Historians have variously placed it between 400 BCE and 300 CE

    and this STUPID claims Indians copied this from Bukhari and company rotfl

    i can fill this post with more stupidities , but i want YOU to find out by yourself.. (for this give yourself 3 years of studying all those things what i suggested you above) just one thing is enough to expose someone stupidity and lies i wonder how people even think about wasting their time reading all those stuff that filled with lot of lies and mis-information.

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      The_Sardar
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      thats why you are struggling my brother,

      first of all get knowledge instead of wasting your precious time on consprisy theorists and low-profiled people like dr kashif and amar and flat earthers you should read SCIENCE, EMBRYOLOGY, HISTORY, GRAMMER etc once you have a grip on things then its easy for you to locate their stupidity faster than the speed of light...

      LOOK an example...

      The original composition date or century for the Kamasutra is unknown. Historians have variously placed it between 400 BCE and 300 CE

      and this STUPID claims Indians copied this from Bukhari and company rotfl

      i can fill this post with more stupidities , but i want YOU to find out by yourself.. (for this give yourself 3 years of studying all those things what i suggested you above) just one thing is enough to expose someone stupidity and lies i wonder how people even think about wasting their time reading all those stuff that filled with lot of lies and mis-information.

      Is there a good place for finding this knowledge? Also good to see you again brother Imran.

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        imrankhawaja
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        Is there a good place for finding this knowledge? Also good to see you again brother Imran.

        you/we are so lucky at this time/space knowledge is just in the movements of your/our fingertips... what you NEED is time for getting that knowledge

        good to see you too.

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          The_Sardar
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          We need not be allergic to "hadith". Epistemology of Testimony is itself a branch of knowledge.

          I don't why but that sounded funny in my head. No offense by the way.

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            The_Sardar
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            you/we are so lucky at this time/space knowledge is just in the movements of your/our fingertips... what you NEED is time for getting that knowledge

            good to see you too.

            Only if i know where to find it ) Any website you can recommend to find?

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              imrankhawaja
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              Only if i know where to find it Any website you can recommend to find?

              Google search bar peace

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                The_Sardar
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                Well the thing i don't know what to type......i know, it sounds a bit dumb since i am not that smart.

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                  The_Sardar
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                  Here is something from a another forum about the two bahr which that article is referring to

                  Salam/Peace, sorry to wake up an old forum but i think we should research to word Bahr and Maraja. Honestly, i am not 100% sure if Bahr is really sea in 5519-20, 2553, 2761, 3512. Plus Allah (SWTAY) said He MARAJA (مرج) the bahrayni/لبحرين (dual), we need the check the root words, especially the root word definition

                  Ba-Ha-Ra (ب ح ر) =

                  Slit, cut, divide lengthwise, split, enlarge or make wide
                  A vast expanse of water (Ocean, sea, huge river)
                  A fleet swift horse called because of its speed like the rolling of the waves in the sea
                  A generous man who is ample in his generosity
                  Wide tract of land, land belonging to or inhabited by people
                  Any town, village or city that has a running river or a body of water
                  Low or depressed land
                  A large meadow or garden
                  A place where water stagnates
                  Seaman, sailor
                  "Bahira" (a camel dedicated to idols, 5103)?

                  bahr n.m. (pl. bihar abhur) 250, 2164, 596, 659, 663, 697, 7138, 7163, 1022, 1090, 1432, 1614, 1766, 1767, 1770, 1860, 1861, 1863, 1879, 18109, 18109, 2077, 2265, 2440, 2553, 2663, 2761, 2763, 3041, 3127, 3127, 3131, 3512, 4232, 4424, 4512, 526, 5519, 5524, 816, 823

                  bahirah n. 5103

                  LL, V1, p 193, 194 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=bHr

                  Miim-Ra-Jiim (م ر ج) = pasture, maraja = mixed (one thing with another), flow & flow freely (as separate entities), set forth, mariija = marred/spoiled/corrupted/impaired/disturbed/unsteady/confused.

                  maraja vb. (1)
                  perf. act. 2553, 5519

                  marij n.m. 5515

                  marij n.m. 505

                  marjan n.m. 5522, 5558

                  LL, V7, p 232 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=mrj

                  Interestingly, Musa mentioned AL-BAHRAYANI in 1860

                  1860 واذ قال موسىا لفتىاه لا ابرح حتىا ابلغ مجمع البحرين او امضى حقبا
                  Wa-ith qala moosa lifatahula abrahu hatta ablugha majmaAAa albahrayniaw amdiya huquban
                  And Moses said to his youth "I will not stop until I reach the junction of the bahrayni, or I spend a lifetime trying."

                  Also the words involving the bahryani verses is AAathbun (عذب), furâtun (فرات), milHun (اجاج), ujâjun (اجاج) and hâdhâ (هاذا)

                  AAathbun (عذب)

                  Ayn-Thal-Ba = chastisement, castigate, punishment, torture, torment, retribution, abstain/desist (e.g. from eating due to excessive thirst), relinquish, quit. To deny a thing, hinder anyone from, be inaccessible, prevent.
                  adhb - palatable, sweet (usually water), e.g. 2553, 3512.

                  'Adhbun (n.) Sweet, Agreeable to taste.
                  'Adhaba (prf. 3rd. m. sing. II) He punished.
                  'Adhabnaa (prf. 1st. plu. II) We punished.
                  Yu'adhdhibu (imp. 3rd. m. sing. II) He will punish, punishes.
                  Li Yu'dhdhiba (imp. 3rd. m. sing. II. el.) That he may punish.
                  Laa Yu'adhdhab None shall execute (his) punishment.
                  Tu'adhdhibu (imp. 2nd. m. sing. II.) Thou punish.
                  'Au'adhdhibu (imp. 1st. sing II) I punish.
                  U'adhdhibanna (imp. 1st. sing. imp.) I will certainly punish.
                  Nu'dhdhibu (imp. 1st. plu. II) We punish.
                  Mu'adhdhibun (ap-der. m. sing.) Treat with punishment; Going to punish.
                  Mu'dhdiribuuna (ap-der. m. plu. acc.) Giver of punishment.
                  Mu'adhdhibuu (ap-der. m. plu. final Nun dropped; nom.) Chastiser.
                  Mu'adhdhabiina (pis. plc. m. plu. acc.) Those who are punished.
                  'Adhaabun (n.) Punishment; Torment; Chastisement.

                  Furâtun (فرات)

                  Fa-Ra-Ta = to be sweet (water), thirst quenching, The Euphrate/Tigris.

                  furat n.m. 2553, 3512, 7727

                  LL, V6, p 142 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=frt

                  MilHun (اجاج)

                  Miim-Lam-Ha = To suckle or give suck, to be saltish or bitter, to become fat, to be goodly/beautiful/pretty, pleasing to the eye or ear, inclining to gray or whiteness, adopt one as a foster brother.

                  milh n. com. 2553, 3512

                  LL, V7, p 259, 260, 261, 262 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=mlH

                  Ujâjun (اجاج)

                  Alif-Jiim-Lam = assigned/appointed/specified/decreed term, period, day of resurrection, period between creation and death, period between death and resurrection, period remaining in the world, delay/postponed/deferral of time.

                  ajlun (par.) reason.
                  ajal (n.) an appointed time.
                  ajalain (dual) two terms.
                  ajjalta (perf. 2nd. m. sing.) thou has appointed.
                  ujjilat (pp. 3rd. f. sing.) has been fixed (term).
                  mu'jjalun (pis-pic) fixed term.

                  ajal n.m. 2231, 2232, 2234, 2235, 2282, 2282, 477, 62, 62, 660, 6128, 734, 734, 7135, 7185, 1011, 1049, 1049, 113, 11104, 132, 1338, 1410, 1444, 155, 1661, 1661, 1799, 20129, 225, 2233, 2343, 2828, 2829, 295, 2953, 308, 3129, 3513, 3545, 395, 3942, 4067, 4214, 463, 6310, 6311, 652, 654, 714, 714

                  ajl n.m. 532

                  ajjala vb. (2)
                  perf. act. 6128
                  perf. pass. 7712
                  pcple. pass. 3145

                  Lane's Lexicon, Volume 1, pages 61, 62, 63 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=ajl

                  Now i couldn't find hâdhâ (هاذا) in PRL so maybe brother Wakas could help out on this.

                  Is anyone here have any scientific knowledge can give us any information on any vast expanse of water involving with salty and bitter and palatable and sweet?

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                    The_Sardar
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                    Google search bar peace

                    I did what you said, i google seas don't mix and many of them claim to "refute" but here is something i noticed.

                    The word yamm came into my mind since yamm means in it's root word

                    Ya-Miim-Miim = sea, river, flood. To aim at getting, to intend, go towards, to have recourse to, to resort to, to head for, to be thrown in the river, purpose a thing, clean with dust or pure earth.

                    yamm n.m. 7136, 2039, 2039, 2078, 2097, 287, 2840, 5140

                    tayammama vb. (5) impf. act. 2267
                    impv. 443, 56

                    Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, page 318 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=ymm

                    Plus Allah (SWTAY) said he MARAJA(مرج) the bahrayni (لبحرين) meaning he mixed or merge the 2 bahr and he did say that he placed a barrier between where they do not TRANSGRESS, he didnt say that the don't mix, he just simply said only not TRANSGRESS.

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                      The_Sardar
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                      So anyone would take a critical analysis on this? Because no one has taken a look right now. And also i notice Amar Khan (author of this article) is using traditionalist research and also Maurice Bucaille and he seems to claim that Maurice Bucaille is pseudoscience.

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                        //Plus Allah (SWTAY) said he MARAJA(مرج) the bahrayni (لبحرين) meaning he mixed or merge the 2 bahr and he did say that he placed a barrier between where they do not TRANSGRESS, he didnt say that the don't mix, he just simply said only not TRANSGRESS.//

                        http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(1361).htm

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          Well the thing i don't know what to type......i know, it sounds a bit dumb since i am not that smart. (

                          i ll make it easy for you,

                          for example if i want to study "oceanology/history/science/XYZ" when i was 15 i have to go to libraries for the best books in markets and most of the times i come back home with very less data...

                          now i dnt have to go libraries, i have access to different libraries and online books what i cant even imagine i can find in my local library backhome...

                          second step how i know what is best and what should i go for ?
                          when i was 15 i have to ask from expert like my uncles/professors/teachers/seniors/librarian..

                          now i dnt have to ask from them i have online encyclopedia/information with me what tell me what thing is worth reading..

                          same like you find dr kashif links/ ammar links/ flat earthers link why dnt you find the links from authorised scientists/historians ? by same method.

                          did you read how i know about the blunder of kamasutra?
                          who told me ?
                          how i find out he is stupid?
                          is it really hard ?

                          ok as far i understand u r looking what is the difference between heavy and light water ? (but i was telling you as a whole) as you requested to find out the mistakes from what that person claim.. by just taking one thing out of many in his articles... u can read my first reply again..

                          what is the difference between salty and sweet water?
                          what is the difference between river and sea water? for this information read some books from experts take your time and then after having all information in hand then see what QURAN is saying..

                          after that go to how to study QURAN?
                          difference between what quran is saying vs what translator is saying..?

                          STEP by STEP but at this specific case brother mazhar saved you from struggle already... D

                          GOOD luck

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                            The_Sardar
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                            Salam imran, i wonder if you have seen this http//quranscientificerror.blogspot.com/2013/06/re-different-seas-have-impenetrable.html

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