Has anyone on here ever met another quran only believer in real life
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First step is to search GOD within. Not through scriptures. Thats why you have all the different intepretations. But still, yes Qur'an is very important and even when ALLAH says that Qur'an is detailed, he doesnt forbid to read other scriptures. Im only telling that you wont go to Hell for only not knowing what there is in the Qur'an. There are also good people in other faiths who base their faith on other scriptures. The Lore of Muhammad is not only about the law and i base the law entirely on the Qur'an.
Peace, Sister.
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Yes. I have met people from several countries, including the UK. There have also been small meetups and conferences (London and South Africa). There is almost certainly many more local meetups we don't know about.
It usually begins by getting to know them online, via here or FB etc then eventually a in person meetup.
You're lucky to have had such experiences Wakas. How do you trust people you meet online though? I mean, they could be ANYONE...
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First step is to search GOD within. Not through scriptures. Thats why you have all the different intepretations. But still, yes Qur'an is very important and even when ALLAH says that Qur'an is detailed, he doesnt forbid to read other scriptures. Im only telling that you wont go to Hell for only not knowing what there is in the Qur'an. There are also good people in other faiths who base their faith on other scriptures.
Peace, Sister.
You misunderstood me. We can read other scriptures but since they've been altered by man, we cannot follow them (from my understanding). We can only follow the Qur'an since t's the only scripture that has not been altered. If you were to follow everything or some things in the Bible for instance, you wouldn't know if verse x or y is an altered or unaltered part of the Bible. Then you'd be questioned by God about this. However, reading the Bible as general knowledge is fine.
I agree, there are also good people from other faiths. But a lot of them have not understood that the Qur'an is the last and final revelation and that their books have been tampered with...if I decided for example that i'm going to be a good Christian from tomorrow onwards and forget the Qur'an or not follow it and follow the Bible instead, that would make me a rejector of God's final revelation. It's different from someone who's never really understood the message of the Qur'an and never read it before in their life.
'Or have they not looked at the realm of the heavens and the earth and all things which God has created, and that perhaps their time may be drawing near? Which hadith after this (Quran) do they believe in?' 7185
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I met my husband on Muslima.com, we both reject hadiths but we do read previous scriptures.
You're lucky, hope your marriage is blessed sister.
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Yes. If you read everything on the basis of the Qur'an its obvious whats altered and which part of the Lore is authentic or unauthentic. But still, i dont like Muslims who are demonizing other scriptures and the Lore of Muhammad. I simply dont like where the Qur'an alone movement is going.
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Yes. If you read everything on the basis of the Qur'an its obvious whats altered and which part of the Lore is authentic or unauthentic. But still, i dont like Muslims who are demonizing other scriptures and the Lore of Muhammad. I simply dont like where the Qur'an alone movement is going.
The previous scriptures have been altered. Do you not agree? There's good and bad in them...something that's been tampered with by man cannot be 100% good.
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Yes of course. I have met a few in London, I have been to Speakers Corner, and met a couple. I have been invited to a London meet up next weekend. If you are in London you are welcome to join.
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Peace
If yes, how...
If no, why didn't it happen? Did you ever reach out? Do you find it hard to trust someone online?I've met many muslims (without the capital M) throughout my life.
They came from many identities, cultural background, yet their wise, serene and caring feeling just radiate away.Some examples
- A Christian orthodox priest who I met on the train through Carphatians mountain who makes me realize the real meanings of the word muslim.
- A Jewish priest who I met on a plane which reveal the ultimate reason why there is only one God thus what God really is.
- A budhist monk in Thailand which reveal the meaning of enlightenment.
- A floor cleaner in Istanbul who teached me the meaning of being patience.
And many many others..
I agree, there are also good people from other faiths. But a lot of them have not understood that the Qur'an is the last and final revelation and that their books have been tampered with...if I decided for example that i'm going to be a good Christian from tomorrow onwards and forget the Qur'an or not follow it and follow the Bible instead, that would make me a rejector of God's final revelation. It's different from someone who's never really understood the message of the Qur'an and never read it before in their life.
You definitely have a lot to learn in life...
But still, i dont like Muslims who are demonizing other scriptures and the Lore of Muhammad. I simply dont like where the Qur'an alone movement is going.
The "Quran Alone movement" is heading towards a cult, sect with Quran as it's idol.
It's obvious given the cultural background of the member were also coming from another sectarian culture.
The mindset is the same only the dressing is different.They see that by demonizing other scriptures (and also other tradition / identities / religion) will ensure the superiority of their idol (in this case a scripture) thus ensuring the superiority of their cult / sect / religion / identity as the one and only truest cult / sect / religion / identity.
Only very few realize that they also need to change the mindset.
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Peace Jafar..
So ,if one values GOD Alone and loves GOD the most, they are idolising GOD? Or is it not a question of GOD Alone deserves the utmost love?
Similarly when you say , quote
The "Quran Alone movement" is heading towards a cult, sect with Quran as it's idol...Your statement is general ,hence wrong. You could have said "...Some Qoran alone movements..."
Surely if one values GOD they should also value His words-Qoran- if they have proof Qoran is the word of GOD, unless someone else has proof Qoran is man s words to counter theirs!!!!
So following anything is a sect. There should be only one sect-GOD Alone sect- uniting on being in one mindset with GOD s system of the straight path and justice/freedom for all.
GOD bless you.
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So ,if one values GOD Alone and loves GOD the most, they are idolising GOD? Or is it not a question of GOD Alone deserves the utmost love?
If you values God, you will value all things..
If you loves GOD, you will love everyone and everything...Again.. it come back to one definition of what is God?
Thus "God Alone" is nonsensical in a way... given God is All and more..Similarly when you say , quote
The "Quran Alone movement" is heading towards a cult, sect with Quran as it's idol...
Your statement is general ,hence wrong. You could have said "...Some Qoran alone movements..."It depends on one definition of "Quran Alone Movement".
If he/she views that- Something is true (or false) just because the Quran said so..
- There is no truth outside of Quran and/or Quran is nothing but only truth
Then yes.. he/she is idolizing the book titled Quran..
Surely if one values GOD they should also value His words-Qoran- if they have proof Qoran is the word of GOD, unless someone else has proof Qoran is man s words to counter theirs!!!!
The above is a very good example of how "Quran Idolizing" mindset works..
Quran = God, God = Quran.Similar to
Jesus = God, God = Jesus
Marduk Statue = God, God = Marduk Statue
and so on and so on..All books are written by human for human.
All statue are molded by human for human.By the way, if one loves God then he/she will loves All...
So following anything is a sect. There should be only one sect-GOD Alone sect- uniting on being in one mindset with GOD s system of the straight path and justice/freedom for all.
A critical characteristic of a SECT / CULT / RELIGION is an existence of DOGMA.
Dogma = Idea / Belief which MUST NOT be questioned.All member of the sect / cult / religion must just obey, samina waatona, we hear and we obey.. and never ever dare to question the validity of the dogma. Those who dare to question let alone dare to state that the dogma is false / illogical / doesn't make sense must be PUNISHED, in order to maintain the 'purity' of the sect / cult / religion. By purity here means TOTAL OBEDIENCE.
This also resulted in the need of something to bond the member of the sect together. Something which makes them feel unique and superior compared to those who are outside of the sect.
Thus gives birth to yet another set of dogmas, such as- Only <Muslim/Catholics/Orthodox/Put your favorite sect here> are on the side of God others are enemy of God.
- Only <Muslim/Catholics/Orthodox/Put your favorite sect here> will be rewarded by God others will be tortured by God.
- Only <Muslim/Catholics/Orthodox/Put your favorite sect here> are the chosen by God others are unchosen by God.
- Only <Muslim/Catholics/Orthodox/Put your favorite sect here> have book that is truly written by God others are not written by God.
- Only <Muslim/Catholics/Orthodox/Put your favorite sect here> is the truest and purest group others are false / lower in status / made to serve us.
And many others of Superiorism dogma...
All are invented to keep the sect together, thus no one will dare to leave the sect.But herewith the rule that is applicable in this universe.. with abundant evidence observable throughout any time in history.
"For those who exalt themselves they will be humbled, and those who humble themselves they will be exalted."
-- Matt 23Whether the above sentence was written by God or human or animal or alien or whatever doesn't really matter, as it's truthfulness can be clearly observed.. Or putting the logic in reverse truth is truth, a statement of truth doesn't requires any claim of "written / authored by God" as it's truthfulness can be clearly seen.
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Well said and totally logical @ jaffar
Even people can find this attitude in book called quran when ibless said "i m better than him" and he get disqualified from the status he was having.
Problem started when people dnt TREAT people the way they want to get treated.
Also Author claimed many times all nation/all things/all time/space belong to God alone.(universal true God) depends on what God they having in mind.
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Greetings and Peace, all group
494 O you who believe, if you strike in the cause of God, you shall investigate carefully. And do not say to he who greets you with peace "You are not a believer!" You are seeking the vanity of this world; but with God are many riches. That is how you were before, but God graced you, so investigate carefully. God is expert over what you do.
2267 For every nation We have established rites which they are to fulfill. So do not let the matter fall into dispute. And call upon your Lord, for you are on a guidance which is straight.
262 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; they will have their recompense with their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor will they grieve.
569 Surely those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Sabians, and the Nazarenes, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve.
2217 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Sabians, and the Nazarenes, and the Zoroastrians; and those who were polytheists; God will separate between them on the Day of Resurrection. For God is witness over all things.
So...the Almighty knows best who is a believer, that is not for us to say who is and who isn't. The various faiths and philosophies have varying rites, as we have our own, and this is okay and not to be an area of contention. Lastly truth and a positive outcome on Judgment Day is not limited to those who call Islam their deen.
I'd argue that since all Prophets (peace upon them all) came with the same message, if a Christian is one who follows the teachings and example of Jesus, then anyone who follows the teachings and example of Muhammad is also a Christian (in that definition of Christian).
Anyone who worships the message has gone far astray, as has anyone who worships a messenger or asks for the intercession of either. Those who blindly follow what they find others doing, whether here or anywhere else is setting themselves up for a disappointment. On the other hand, reasoned discourse benefits many ISA, and can provide leads for others to check and verify for themselves.
May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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2218 Do you not see that to God submits everyone in the heavens and everyone on earth? And the sun, and the moon, and the stars, and the mountains, and the trees - and all kinds of living beings that crawl on their belly, walk on two or four feet, or fly - and many of the human beings submit to Him. But there are numerous human beings who incur retribution. Whoever disgraces himself according to God?s law, for him, there is none that can raise him to honor. God has control over all things and events and He does everything according to His laws
if one can understand this deep verse just after the verse 2217 then the views of jafar are perfectly matching with the criteria of what the author of book quran is advising to the readers...
metaphoric approach towards quran/bible/tora/veda instead of literal is key to understand the message. ( same like the interpretation of poetry can only described best by the creator of poetry what we said as poet )
i remember understanding the poems what were in my own language and my teachers explains those poetry with totally different angle than literal words.. even the poets are/were already describe what they mean by it.. still we struggle understanding it so its same for the native speaker or non native speaker to understand the message behind poetry.. imagine if we dnt have the explaination by poet we all will have new ideas and lot of ideas of one poem depend from mind to mind..
exActly this thing happened with our so called book/s the first explainers were (bukhari and company/paul and company) etc who themselves were the students of understanding and later people take their poetry explaination as the law beside LAW.
our teachers in the field of religious poetry appeared as either weak or either corrupt or confirm racist due to which people divide in different groups of understandings..
overcoming on that fear is key of success, we are programmed not to go against our own BOOK/TEAM/NATION/IDEA. even after knowing the truth we dnt dare to share our truth FEAR is the enemy of common sense..
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2267 For every nation We have established rites which they are to fulfill. So do not let the matter fall into dispute. And call upon your Lord, for you are on a guidance which is straight.
peace,
This is my translation and I would like to share some more verses after 2267
2267 To every nation We made a ritual or method of worship they are practicing the rituals or methods of worship, so they do not dispute/quarrel with you in the matter/affair, and call(them) to your Lord, that you are on straight/direct guidance.
2268 And if they argued/disputed with you, so say "God (is) more knowledgeable with what you make/do."
2269 "God judges/rules between you (on) the Resurrection Day, in what you were in it differing/disagreeing.
- And they worship from other than God what He did not descend with it a proof/evidence, and what (there) is not for them with it knowledge, and (there is) no victorior/savior to the unjust/oppressive.
569 Surely those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Sabians, and the Nazarenes, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve.
one verse before 569
568 Say "You The Book's people, you are not on a thing, until you keep up the Torah and the Injeel, and what was descended to you from your Lord ." And what was descended to you(Muhammad) from your Lord increases many of them tyranny/arrogance, and disbelief, so do not grieve/sadden on the nation, the disbelieving.I'd argue that since all Prophets (peace upon them all) came with the same message, if a Christian is one who follows the teachings and example of Jesus, then anyone who follows the teachings and example of Muhammad is also a Christian (in that definition of Christian).
Are you sure that Christians are following the teachings and example of Jesus? If they were, they would have accept the truth.
Why Qur’an says “O you who believe” oftentimes?Jews and Nazarenes/Christians were sects among 'the people of the Book’ who followed their desires. See 2120-121, 2140, 930, 518
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That truly the dheen/system at God, (is) the islam/submission/surrender, and those who were given The Book did not differ/disagree/dispute, except from after what (that) the knowledge came to them, out of jealousy/oppression between them, and who disbelieves with God's signs/verses, so that God (is) swift in reckoning.4828
He is who sent His messenger with the guidance and the truths' dheen to make it apparent/visible/overcome on/over the dheen/system all of it, and enough/sufficient with God (as) a witness. -
Peace Jafar.
I get your general point. But when you say this ,QuoteAll books are written by human for human.
So the mushaf -Qoran- is written by a human, but who authored /originated/ came up with the contents...of Qoran? Please give evidence.
You have dodged this question so many times in the past. At least give us your view of the origin/source of Qoran s contents.
GOD bless you.
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So the mushaf -Qoran- is written by a human, but who authored /originated/ came up with the contents...of Qoran? Please give evidence.
You have dodged this question so many times in the past. At least give us your view of the origin/source of Qoran s contents.
Q Who authored the contents of the book titled Quran?
A People or group of people who are heavily influenced by Jewish / Israelite traditions. I'm more lenient towards Jewish Christians a.k.a Messianic Jews.But anyway the above doesn't matter, except to those who idolized the Quran..
Now back to the original issue being discussed.
You yes.. you ... have direct access to God, the true God.
No idols / books / tablet / other human stand in between.
You don't need them...And so does he, her and them.. everyone have direct access to God.
There is no such thing as "Only VIP" have direct access to God, if anybody tell you as such I can tell you they're a liar. So does those who said "God's revelation has ended"... they're BS-ing you...All you need to do is ASK.
And answer will come.Don't bother about what language to use, what words to say, which direction to face, what time in a day yadayadayada..
Even when you're deaf or mute.. that is not a hindrance...
The true God knows the question even long before you say it...The answer can come through any medium.. all things are medium for the true God.
I've given some example of the medium based on my own personal experience, Orthodox Monks, Jewish Rabbi, Buddhist Monks, Janitor, Taxi Driver just to name a few. You might received from other medium than stated above, it can be books, ebooks, forum posting, picture, falling apple from the tree.. whatever. there is no such thing as 'truest messengers' or 'truest medium' because as saith earlier all things are medium for the true God. The true God controls everything....
How do you know it?
You will know...
The true messenger will never ask you to testify that he/she/it is a messenger, and they will not even realized it themselves..But.. after the answer came.. here's the catch.. sometimes you might not like it...
"Ask and it shall be given, Seek and you shall find, Knock and it will be opened to you"
Matt 7Note please stop debating whether the above quotation was really authored by God or not, because it doesn't matter..
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Peace Jafar.
So we should just accept this statement about the authorship of Qoran from you brother, quoteA People or group of people who are heavily influenced by Jewish / Israelite traditions. I'm more lenient towards Jewish Christians a.k.a Messianic Jews.
How contradictory can you get/?And you expect people to use their logic and investigate?
You are setting a bad example of hypocrisy
Please come up with your evidence , or accept that this is your own opinion and assumption.
GOD bless you.
Peace.