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    Noon_waalqalami
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    Why you overlook - reject straight forward order

    وَإِن كَانَتْ وَٟحِدَةٙ فَلَـهَا ٱلنِّصْفُۚ

    1. again see video 1/2 is in relation to femalesmale ratio
      Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
      https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

    2. try to allocate 1 daughter, husband, parents (i.e. no son?)

    1/2 daughter
    ? mother (411)
    ? father
    ? husband (412)

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      1. again see video 1/2 is in relation to femalesmale ratio
        Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
        https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

      2. try to allocate 1 daughter, husband, parents (i.e. no son?)

      1/2 daughter
      ? mother (411)
      ? father
      ? husband (412)

      What you see in these words? Do you find any male in it? Forget that so called Dr. See with your own eyes.

      http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/4.11o.gif

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        What you see in these words? Do you find any male in it? Forget that so called Dr. See with your own eyes.

        yes in context 411 ratios given 2, 3+, and 1 female
        they cannot be solitary no instruction for exactly two!

        your erroneous reading has 1,000+ contradictions!
        everyone can see you are afraid to allocate anything!
        try to allocate simple mother, father, two daughters?

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          Peace everyone, want to post a final summary leaving this site need to focus on other things and if anyone needs clarification, they can private message me. Hopefully this helps since inheritance is among the top critique of the book along with wife beating, marriage to underage girls, etc., and although like Thomas Jefferson “I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know” – don’t want to be the only one who understands inheritance which the wording is miraculously precise and forces one to look at each word carefully cross-reference the entire book otherwise math contradicts.

          Clearly walad means born or offspring or child
          http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm Waw-Lam-Dal = to beget, give birth.

          See context 6100-101 mentions attributing banina/sons wabanatin/and daughters ... how being to him waladun/offspring?

          To translate as son ignorantly implies having daughters e.g. 5319-20 l-lata (the goddess) wal-uza and manat

          Whereas everyone correctly translates
          2233 not made to suffer mother biwaladiha/in (due to) offspring/child hers
          and not father to him biwaladihi/in (due to) offspring/child his

          3133 O you the humankind heeds ye of lord yours and fears ye of day of not availed parent about waladihi/offspring his

          The reason all translations on this topic are contradictory, inconsistent, parroting mistakes by those 1,300 years ago when they hear the words without thinking wrongly apply e.g. cutting off hands of thieves, marrying underage girls, stoning people, beating wives, one dumb thing after another blindly following those ignorant from the past who could not comprehend anything and when asked simple questions avoid, and distract. The reason the missionaries are trouncing them especially on inheritance verses causing believers to doubt.

          This video explains 411 logical nested loop revolves around females male ratios given 2, 3+, and 1 female
          Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
          https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

          Otherwise hundreds of contradictions in distributions!
          Females cannot be solitary, no instruction for exactly two?
          Try to allocate mother, father, spouse, and two daughters?
          They erroneous translate over two and say it also includes two?
          They erroneous translate exactly two say it includes 3+ (4176)?

          Note Dr. Shahrour errs in 411 saying that the two females get 2/3 (i.e. 1/3 each) and 1/3 male 11 ratio
          This contradicts kalala case 4176 cannot apply as above to the male equal share the two females when 3+
          This is not possible and needs to be in the case of 3 females 1/5, 1/5, 1/5, 2/5 male, see distributions below

          411 applies only when mixed children while single gender i.e. solitary son/s or daughter/s always variable get the remainder after parents and/or spouses; likewise, any sole heir always gets the whole e.g. parent, spouse, offspring/child (son/s, daughter/s), sibling (brother/s, sister/s), etc. and in "all cases" the shares always equal exactly 1 and never above/under!

          412 use for single gender sibling/s (brother/s OR sister/s), 1/3 max with parent/s applies also to 4176 mixed gender siblings.

          411 instructed you the god in offspring yours
          (case 2 females) to the male similitude apportion the two females
          (case 3+ females) so if are womenfolk over two females so for them 2/3
          (case 1 female) and if be she one so for her the half (1/2)

          children and parents
          1 daug son mother fath ratio
          1/3 1/3 1/6 1/6 11 1x
          5/12 5/12 1/6 ....... 11 1x
          5/12 5/12 ....... 1/6 11 1x
          1/2 1/2 ....... ....... 11 1x
          2/3 ....... 1/6 1/6
          5/6 ....... 1/6 .......
          5/6 ....... ....... 1/6
          ....... 2/3 1/6 1/6
          ....... 5/6 1/6 .......
          ....... 5/6 ....... 1/6

          2 daug son mother fath ratio
          1/3 1/3 1/6 1/6 12 2x
          5/12 5/12 1/6 ....... 12 2x
          5/12 5/12 ....... 1/6 12 2x
          1/2 1/2 ....... ....... 12 2x
          2/3 ....... 1/6 1/6
          5/6 ....... 1/6 .......
          5/6 ....... ....... 1/6
          ....... 2/3 1/6 1/6
          ....... 5/6 1/6 .......
          ....... 5/6 ....... 1/6

          3 daug son mother fath ratio
          4/9 2/9 1/6 1/6 23 2.5x
          5/9 5/18 1/6 ....... 23 2.5x
          5/9 5/18 ....... 1/6 23 2.5x
          2/3 1/3 ....... ....... 23 2.5x
          2/3 ....... 1/6 1/6
          5/6 ....... 1/6 .......
          5/6 ....... ....... 1/6
          ....... 2/3 1/6 1/6
          ....... 5/6 1/6 .......
          ....... 5/6 ....... 1/6

          4 daug son mother fath ratio
          4/9 2/9 1/6 1/6 12 2x
          5/9 5/18 1/6 ....... 12 2x
          5/9 5/18 ....... 1/6 12 2x
          2/3 1/3 ....... ....... 12 2x
          2/3 ....... 1/6 1/6
          5/6 ....... 1/6 .......
          5/6 ....... ....... 1/6
          ....... 2/3 1/6 1/6
          ....... 5/6 1/6 .......
          ....... 5/6 ....... 1/6

          5 daug son mother fath ratio
          4/9 2/9 1/6 1/6 25 2.5x
          5/9 5/18 1/6 ....... 25 2.5x
          5/9 5/18 ....... 1/6 25 2.5x
          2/3 1/3 ....... ....... 25 2.5x
          2/3 ....... 1/6 1/6
          5/6 ....... 1/6 .......
          5/6 ....... ....... 1/6
          ....... 2/3 1/6 1/6
          ....... 5/6 1/6 .......
          ....... 5/6 ....... 1/6

          6 daug son mother fath ratio
          4/9 2/9 1/6 1/6 13 3x
          5/9 5/18 1/6 ....... 13 3x
          5/9 5/18 ....... 1/6 13 3x
          2/3 1/3 ....... ....... 13 3x
          2/3 ....... 1/6 1/6
          5/6 ....... 1/6 .......
          5/6 ....... ....... 1/6
          ....... 2/3 1/6 1/6
          ....... 5/6 1/6 .......
          ....... 5/6 ....... 1/6

          wife
          1 daug son wife mother fath ratio
          13/48 13/48 1/8 1/6 1/6 11 1.0x
          17/48 17/48 1/8 1/6 ....... 11 1.0x
          17/48 17/48 1/8 ....... 1/6 11 1.0x
          7/16 7/16 1/8 ....... ....... 11 1.0x
          13/24 ....... 1/8 1/6 1/6
          17/24 ....... 1/8 1/6 .......
          17/24 ....... 1/8 ....... 1/6
          7/8 ....... 1/8 ....... .......
          ....... 13/24 1/8 1/6 1/6
          ....... 17/24 1/8 1/6 .......
          ....... 17/24 1/8 ....... 1/6
          ....... 7/8 1/8

          2 daug son wife mother fath ratio
          13/48 13/48 1/8 1/6 1/6 12 2.0x
          17/48 17/48 1/8 1/6 ....... 12 2.0x
          17/48 17/48 1/8 ....... 1/6 12 2.0x
          7/16 7/16 1/8 ....... ....... 12 2.0x
          13/24 ....... 1/8 1/6 1/6
          17/24 ....... 1/8 1/6 .......
          17/24 ....... 1/8 ....... 1/6
          7/8 ....... 1/8 ....... .......

          3 daug son wife mother fath ratio
          13/36 13/72 1/8 1/6 1/6 23 1.5x
          17/36 17/72 1/8 1/6 ....... 23 1.5x
          17/36 17/72 1/8 ....... 1/6 23 1.5x
          7/12 7/24 1/8 ....... ....... 23 1.5x
          13/24 ....... 1/8 1/6 1/6
          17/24 ....... 1/8 1/6 .......
          17/24 ....... 1/8 ....... 1/6
          7/8 ....... 1/8

          4 daug son wife mother fath ratio
          13/36 13/72 1/8 1/6 1/6 12 2.0x
          17/36 17/72 1/8 1/6 ....... 12 2.0x
          17/36 17/72 1/8 ....... 1/6 12 2.0x
          7/12 7/24 1/8 ....... ....... 12 2.0x
          13/24 ....... 1/8 1/6 1/6
          17/24 ....... 1/8 1/6 .......
          17/24 ....... 1/8 ....... 1/6
          7/8 ....... 1/8

          5 daug son wife mother fath ratio
          13/36 13/72 1/8 1/6 1/6 25 2.5x
          17/36 17/72 1/8 1/6 ....... 25 2.5x
          17/36 17/72 1/8 ....... 1/6 25 2.5x
          7/12 7/24 1/8 ....... ....... 25 2.5x
          13/24 ....... 1/8 1/6 1/6
          17/24 ....... 1/8 1/6 .......
          17/24 ....... 1/8 ....... 1/6
          7/8 ....... 1/8

          6 daug son wife mother fath ratio
          13/36 13/72 1/8 1/6 1/6 13 3.0x
          17/36 17/72 1/8 1/6 ....... 13 3.0x
          17/36 17/72 1/8 ....... 1/6 13 3.0x
          7/12 7/24 1/8 ....... ....... 13 3.0x
          13/24 ....... 1/8 1/6 1/6
          17/24 ....... 1/8 1/6 .......
          17/24 ....... 1/8 ....... 1/6
          7/8 ....... 1/8 ....... .......

          ....... ....... ....... wife mother fath
          ....... ....... ....... 1/4 1/4 1/2
          ....... ....... ....... 1/4 3/4 .......
          ....... ....... ....... 1/4 ....... 3/4

          husband
          1 daug son husb mother fath ratio
          5/24 5/24 1/4 1/6 1/6 11 1.0x
          7/24 7/24 1/4 1/6 ....... 11 1.0x
          7/24 7/24 1/4 ....... 1/6 11 1.0x
          3/8 3/8 1/4 ....... ....... 11 1.0x
          5/12 ....... 1/4 1/6 1/6
          7/12 ....... 1/4 1/6 .......
          7/12 ....... 1/4 ....... 1/6
          3/4 ....... 1/4 ....... .......
          ....... 5/12 1/4 1/6 1/6
          ....... 7/12 1/4 1/6 .......
          ....... 7/12 1/4 ....... 1/6
          ....... 3/4 1/4

          2 daug son husb mother fath ratio
          5/24 5/24 1/4 1/6 1/6 12 2.0x
          7/24 7/24 1/4 1/6 ....... 12 2.0x
          7/24 7/24 1/4 ....... 1/6 12 2.0x
          3/8 3/8 1/4 ....... ....... 12 2.0x
          5/12 ....... 1/4 1/6 1/6
          7/12 ....... 1/4 1/6 .......
          7/12 ....... 1/4 ....... 1/6
          3/4 ....... 1/4

          3 daug son husb mother fath ratio
          5/18 5/36 1/4 1/6 1/6 23 1.5x
          7/18 7/36 1/4 1/6 ....... 23 1.5x
          7/18 7/36 1/4 ....... 1/6 23 1.5x
          1/2 1/4 1/4 ....... ....... 23 1.5x
          5/12 ....... 1/4 1/6 1/6
          7/12 ....... 1/4 1/6 .......
          7/12 ....... 1/4 ....... 1/6
          3/4 ....... 1/4

          4 daug son husb mother fath ratio
          5/18 5/36 1/4 1/6 1/6 12 2.0x
          7/18 7/36 1/4 1/6 ....... 12 2.0x
          7/18 7/36 1/4 ....... 1/6 12 2.0x
          1/2 1/4 1/4 ....... ....... 12 2.0x
          5/12 ....... 1/4 1/6 1/6
          7/12 ....... 1/4 1/6 .......
          7/12 ....... 1/4 ....... 1/6
          3/4 ....... 1/4

          5 daug son husb mother fath ratio
          5/18 5/36 1/4 1/6 1/6 25 2.5x
          7/18 7/36 1/4 1/6 ....... 25 2.5x
          7/18 7/36 1/4 ....... 1/6 25 2.5x
          1/2 1/4 1/4 ....... ....... 25 2.5x
          5/12 ....... 1/4 1/6 1/6
          7/12 ....... 1/4 1/6 .......
          7/12 ....... 1/4 ....... 1/6
          3/4 ....... 1/4

          6 daug son husb mother fath ratio
          5/18 5/36 1/4 1/6 1/6 13 3.0x
          7/18 7/36 1/4 1/6 ....... 13 3.0x
          7/18 7/36 1/4 ....... 1/6 13 3.0x
          1/2 1/4 1/4 ....... ....... 13 3.0x
          5/12 ....... 1/4 1/6 1/6
          7/12 ....... 1/4 1/6 .......
          7/12 ....... 1/4 ....... 1/6
          3/4 ....... 1/4 ....... .......

          ....... ....... ....... husb mother fath
          ....... ....... ....... 1/2 1/6 1/3
          ....... ....... ....... 1/2 1/2 .......
          ....... ....... ....... 1/2 ....... 1/2

          Likewise, everyone has the kalala meaning wrong saying father does not inherit together with siblings which clearly contradicts 411 if no walad/offspring/child and parents alive, mother 1/3, if siblings (3+ at least one male) mother gets 1/6, else if no walad/offspring/child and single parent (mother/father) then either becomes variable i.e. gets the remainder. There was always confusion pertaining to kalala case, see below …

          The Qur'anic Term Kalala
          Studies in Arabic Language and Poetry, Hadit, Tafsir, and Fiqh Notes on the Origins of Islamic Law
          Edition 1 Author Agostino Cilard

          https//www.amazon.com/The-Quranic-Term-Kalala-Monograph/dp/074861916X

          http//rorotoko.com/interview/20090904_powers_david_muhammad_not_father_any_your_men_making_last_prophet/?page=2

          Book 011, Number 3937 , Abu Talha reported 'Umar b. al-Khattab (Allah be please..
          Abu Talha reported 'Umar b. al-Khattab (Allah be pleased with him) delivered a sermon on Friday and made a mention of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and he also made a mention of Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) and then said I do not leave behind me any problem more difficult than that of Kalala. I did not refer to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) more repeatedly than in case of the problem of Kalala, and he (the Holy Prophet) never showed more annoyance to me than in regard to this problem, so much so that he struck my chest with his fingers and said 'Umar, does the verse revealed in summer season, at the end of Sura al-Nisa' not suffice you? Hadrat 'Umar (then) said If I live I would give such verdict about (Kalala) that everyone would be able to decide whether he reads the Qur'an or he does not.

          Likewise, they did not know which amount to give the sole sister 1/6 (412) or 1/2 (4176) and making up stuff saying 412 refers to uterine siblings/half sisters and brothers from the same mother, different father whereas 4176 are full sisters which in itself is dumb and leads to numerous contradictions then later once algebra was invented they resolved the issue which brought about other confusion when total distribution is greater or less than the whole applied http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra which can be used to wrongly fix any surplus/shortfall not according to the book rather a trick fix to proportionately increase/decrease amounts by a common denominator called al-awl, see the supposed example case during the caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab below...

          husband, mother, 3 uterine brothers, 2 full brothers
          1/2 husband + 1/6 mother + 1/3 uterine brothers (412) = 0 full brothers (4176)

          Umar ruled that the 2 full brothers got nothing! There was nothing remaining to share! The full brothers argued that even if their father was a donkey or a stone cast into the sea and they had no paternal relationship, they still had the same and equal relationship with the deceased as the uterine brothers through the same mother. Umar reconsidered his ruling and allowed the full brothers to inherit equally with the uterine brothers thus 1/2 husband + 1/6 mother + 1/3 brothers = 1

          kalala cases no spouse and/or offspring/child
          if parents alive, mother 1/3, father variable (411)
          if parents alive, 3+ siblings (at least 1 male) mother 1/6, father variable (411)
          if only single parent (mother/father) each is variable else the math contradicts.

          mother fath 1 sis 1 bro ratio
          2/9 4/9 1/6 1/6 11 1x
          2/3 ....... 1/6 1/6 11 1x
          ....... 2/3 1/6 1/6 11 1x
          ....... ....... 1/2 1/2 11 1x
          5/18 5/9 ....... 1/6
          5/18 5/9 1/6 .......
          1/3 2/3 ....... .......
          5/6 ....... ....... 1/6
          5/6 ....... 1/6 .......
          ....... 5/6 ....... 1/6
          ....... 5/6 1/6

          mother fath 2 sis 1 bro ratio
          1/9 5/9 2/9 1/9 11 1x
          2/3 ....... 2/9 1/9 11 1x
          ....... 2/3 2/9 1/9 11 1x
          ....... ....... 2/3 1/3 11 1x
          2/9 4/9 1/3
          2/3 ....... 1/3
          ....... 2/3 1/3

          mother fath 3 sis 1 bro ratio
          1/9 5/9 1/5 2/15 12 2x
          2/3 ....... 1/5 2/15 12 2x
          ....... 2/3 1/5 2/15 12 2x
          ....... ....... 3/5 2/5 12 2x
          1/9 5/9 1/3
          2/3 ....... 1/3
          ....... 2/3 1/3

          mother fath 4 sis 1 bro ratio
          ....... 2/3 2/9 1/9 12 2x
          1/9 5/9 2/9 1/9 12 2x
          2/3 ....... 2/9 1/9 12 2x
          ....... ....... 2/3 1/3 12 2x
          1/9 5/9 1/3
          ....... 2/3 1/3
          2/3 ....... 1/3

          mother fath 5 sis 1 bro ratio
          ....... 2/3 5/21 2/21 12 2x
          1/9 5/9 5/21 2/21 12 2x
          2/3 ....... 5/21 2/21 12 2x
          ....... ....... 5/7 2/7 12 2x
          1/9 5/9 1/3
          ....... 2/3 1/3
          2/3 ....... 1/3

          mother fath 6 sis 1 bro ratio
          ....... 2/3 1/4 1/12 12 2x
          1/9 5/9 1/4 1/12 12 2x
          2/3 ....... 1/4 1/12 12 2x
          ....... ....... 3/4 1/4 12 2x
          1/9 5/9 1/3
          ....... 2/3 1/3
          2/3 ....... 1/3

          https//i.postimg.cc/Hn9QCBmQ/inheritance-4-11-and-4-176.jpg

          females ratio f,m distributions given 1 male

          1 daughter 1.0x 11 1,1 1/2, 1/2 ... 411 and if be she one (daughter) so for her the half (1/2)
          2 daughters 2.0x 12 2,1 1/4, 1/4, 1/2 ... 411 to the male similitude apportion the two females
          3 daughters 1.5x 23 3,1 2/9, 2/9, 2/9, 1/3 ... 411 so if are womenfolk over two (3+) so for them third dual (2/3)
          4 daughters 2.0x 12 4,1 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3
          5 daughters 2.5x 25 5,1 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 1/3
          6 daughters 3.0x 13 6,1 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/3

          females ratio f,m distributions given 1 male

          1 sister 1.0x 11 1,1 1/2, 1/2 ... 4176 and to him (said person) sister so for her half (1/2)
          2 sisters 1.0x 11 2,1 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 ... 4176 so if be dual two females so to them dual the third each (2/3)
          3 sisters 2.0x 12 3,1 1/5, 1/5, 1/5, 2/5 ... 4176 so to the male similitude apportion the two females
          4 sisters 2.0x 12 4,1 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3
          5 sisters 2.0x 12 5,1 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 2/7
          6 sisters 2.0x 12 6,1 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/4

          The above same ratios apply adding more males
          e.g. 1 daughter shares equally with any # of sons
          e.g. 1 or 2 sisters share equally any # of brothers

          Cairo, National Library qaf 47 one of oldest manuscripts dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
          https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/12/handschrift/73
          ch4v11-12 translation https//i.postimg.cc/CxFGJC3s/ch4v11-15.jpg

          411 instructed you the god in awladikum/offspring/children yours to the male similitude apportion the two females so if are (f/p) womenfolk fawqa/over two females (i.e. 3+) so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left and if be she one (daughter) so for her the half (1/2) and to parents two his/said person to each one of them dual the sixth (1/6) from what left if be for him/said person waladun/offspring/child so if not beeth for him/said person waladun/offspring/child and inherit him/said person parents dual his/said person (i.e. parents alive) so to mother his/said person the third (1/3) so if be for him/said person siblings (3+ at least one male) so to mother his/said person the sixth (1/6) from after instruction/behest instructed in it or dept parents yours and children yours not thou knowing which of them nearer to you benefit of an obligation from the god indeed the god be knower of wisdom of

          412 and for you half (1/2) what left spouses yours if not beeth for them (f/p) waladun/offspring/child so if be for them waladun/offspring/child so for you the fourth (1/4) from what left they (f/p) from after instruction/behest instructed they (f/p) in it or dept and for them the fourth (1/4) from what left you if not beeth for you waladun/offspring/child so if be for you waladun/offspring/child so to them the eight (1/ from what left you from after instruction/behest thou making in it or dept and if be rajulun/man inherited kalalatan (single gender sibling heir no spouse and/or no child) or imra-atun/woman and to him/said person brother or sister so to each one of them dual the sixth (1/6) so if be they of more from such so they associates of in the third (1/3) from after instruction/behest instructed in it or dept other than harmful instruction from the god and the god knower tolerant

          Berlin, State Library ms.or.fol. 4313 (same manuscript) dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
          https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176/handschrift/73
          ch4v176 translation https//i.postimg.cc/SxwtPMV1/ch4v172-ch5v2.jpg

          4176 they seeking decision your say the god gives ruling you in l-kalalati (mixed gender siblings no spouse and/or no child) if individual perished not is for him/said person waladun/offspring/child and to him sister so for her half (1/2) what left and he inherited her if not beeth for her waladun/offspring/child so if be dual two females (i.e. if exactly two!) so to them dual the third dual each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left and if be they of ikhwatan/siblings rijalan/menfolk of wanisaan/and womenfolk (3+) so to the male similitude apportion the two females shows the god for you lest thou err ye of and the god in every thing knower

          peace and all the best!

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            It is vary meritorious, detailed and thorough work you have done on thsi question for a long time, as far as I can remember.

            May be, since there is very little that people, legally, can do about it, it is not getting as much attention as it hsould, outside the most glaring or shocking unfairness classically admitted.

            However it is still necessary and useful.
            I think there is just one detail in which I do not agree with you, but that is not important and no reason either not to acknowledge the great job you, have accomplished. Thank you for posting it so well ordered and clearly.

            Salaam

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              What you see in these words? Do you find any male in it? Forget that so called Dr. See with your own eyes.

              http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/4.11o.gif

              Qur'an says there are people who deny some part of the Book. Noon is patently one of them when he says this

              yes in context 411 ratios given 2, 3+, and 1 female
              they cannot be solitary no instruction for exactly two!

              http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.061/239.%20Wahid%20Waw%20He%20Daal/4.gif Not to accept that it ONLY means Solitary female is to make oneself an idiot and try misleading others.

              Let some one else come to his help and resolve about this Ayah. I have but to rebut whatever non-sense gets posted on the Forum for those visitors who do know Arabic.

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                It is vary meritorious, detailed and thorough work you have done on thsi question for a long time, as far as I can remember.

                May be, since there is very little that people, legally, can do about it, it is not getting as much attention as it hsould, outside the most glaring or shocking unfairness classically admitted.

                However it is still necessary and useful.
                I think there is just one detail in which I do not agree with you, but that is not important and no reason either not to acknowledge the great job you, have accomplished. Thank you for posting it so well ordered and clearly.

                Salaam

                Peace huruf, thank you it means a lot! Prior posts 1, 2, 3+ females to 1 male ratios.
                Here's a test anyone who answers all six correctly – I’ll send a gift card $600 prize!

                1. mother, wife, 2 daughters (simple)

                2. parents, wife, 2 daughters, 2 sons (not difficult)

                3. parents, wife, 5 daughters, 2 sons (advanced)

                4. mother, 2 sisters, 1 brother (simple)

                5. mother, 5 sisters, 2 brothers (includes uterine, full, father uncertain)

                6. parents, 8 sisters, 3 brothers (forward-thinking mastered the subject)

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                  Peace huruf, thank you it means a lot! Prior posts 1, 2, 3+ females to 1 male ratios.
                  Here's a test anyone who answers all six correctly – I’ll send a gift card $600 prize!

                  1. mother, wife, 2 daughters (simple)

                  2. parents, wife, 2 daughters, 2 sons (not difficult)

                  3. parents, wife, 5 daughters, 2 sons (advanced)

                  4. mother, 2 sisters, 1 brother (simple)

                  5. mother, 5 sisters, 2 brothers (includes uterine, full, father uncertain)

                  6. parents, 8 sisters, 3 brothers (forward-thinking mastered the subject)

                  The fortunes of mourners are in accordance with the physical realities obtaining on ground. Nothing uncertain.

                  The fortunes change

                  لِّلـرِّجَالِ نَصيِبٚ مِّمَّا تَرَكَ ٱلْوَٟلِدَانِ وَٱلۡأَقْرَبُونَ

                  Share is apportioned for the Men partially from the inheritance left by the Parents (Mother and Father) and the relatively Nearer Relatives.

                  وَلِلنِّسَآءِ نَصِيبٚ مِّمَّا تَرَكَ ٱلْوَٟلِدَانِ وَٱلۡأَقْرَبُونَ

                  And share is apportioned for the Women partially from the inheritance left by the Parents (Mother and Father) and the relatively Nearer Relatives.

                  مِمَّا قَلَّ مِنْهُ أَوْ كَثُرَۚ نَصِيبٙا مَّفْرُوضٙا .407٧

                  This share is out of that which has either become diminutive from that-inheritance or has become greater fortune apportioned.

                  http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

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                    Here's a test anyone who answers all six correctly – I’ll send a gift card $600 prize!

                    anyone like to give it a try, even the first three?

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                      Peace huruf, thank you it means a lot! Prior posts 1, 2, 3+ females to 1 male ratios.
                      Here's a test anyone who answers all six correctly – I’ll send a gift card $600 prize!

                      1. mother, wife, 2 daughters (simple)

                      2. parents, wife, 2 daughters, 2 sons (not difficult)

                      3. parents, wife, 5 daughters, 2 sons (advanced)

                      4. mother, 2 sisters, 1 brother (simple)

                      5. mother, 5 sisters, 2 brothers (includes uterine, full, father uncertain)

                      6. parents, 8 sisters, 3 brothers (forward-thinking mastered the subject)

                      7. 1/6 mother, 1/8 wife, 17/24 children (no difference if daughters or sons alone)

                      8. 1/3 parents, 1/8 wife, 13/24 children (22 ratio same as 11 all share equally)

                      9. 1/3 parents, 1/8 wife, 13/24 children (52 ratio same as 2.51 i.e. above two)

                      Here is scaling males if mixed, notice consistency f/m ratios 1,1 2,2 3,3 ... etc., share equally.
                      When looking at it closely females are favored especially when 1 or 2 in relation to #of males.

                      411 mixed gender offspring – daughters and sons
                      fm ratio ....... 1.0000 ......... 0.5000 ....... 0.3333 ......... 0.2500 ....... 0.2000 ......... 0.1667
                      f, m mult ....... 1, 1 1x ......... 1, 2 1/2x .... 1, 3 1/3x ....... 1, 4 1/4x .... 1, 5 1/5x ...... 1, 6 1/6x
                      f, m total ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ..... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ...... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2
                      f, m each ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/4 ..... 1/2, 1/6 ....... 1/2, 1/8 ...... 1/2, 1/10 ..... 1/2, 1/12

                      fm ratio ....... 2.0000 ......... 1.0000 ....... 0.6667 ........ 0.5000 ......... 0.4000 ......... 0.3333
                      f, m mult ....... 2, 1 2x ......... 2, 2 1x ........ 2, 3 2/3x ..... 2, 4 1/2x ...... 2, 5 2/5x ...... 2, 6 1/3x
                      f, m total ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ..... 1/2, 1/2 ...... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2
                      f, m each ....... 1/4, 1/2 ....... 1/4, 1/4 ..... 1/4, 1/6 ...... 1/4, 1/8 ....... 1/4, 1/10 ..... 1/4, 1/12

                      fm ratio ....... 3.0000 ......... 1.5000 ....... 1.0000 ........ 0.7500 ......... 0.6000 ......... 0.5000
                      f, m mult ....... 3, 1 3/2x ...... 3, 2 3/2x .... 3, 3 1x ......... 3, 4 3/4x ...... 3, 5 3/5x ...... 3, 6 1/2x
                      f, m total ....... 2/3, 1/3 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ..... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2
                      f, m each ....... 2/9, 1/3 ....... 1/6, 1/4 ..... 1/6, 1/6 ....... 1/6, 1/8 ....... 1/6, 1/10 ..... 1/6, 1/12

                      fm ratio ....... 4.0000 ......... 2.0000 ....... 1.3333 ......... 1.0000 ......... 0.8000 ........ 0.6667
                      f, m mult ....... 4, 1 2x ......... 4, 2 2x ........ 4, 3 4/3x ...... 4, 4 1x ......... 4, 5 4/5x ...... 4, 6 2/3x
                      f, m total ....... 2/3, 1/3 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ..... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2
                      f, m each ....... 1/6, 1/3 ....... 1/8, 1/4 ..... 1/8, 1/6 ....... 1/8, 1/8 ....... 1/8, 1/10 ..... 1/8, 1/12

                      fm ratio ....... 5.0000 ......... 2.5000 ........ 1.6667 ........ 1.2500 ......... 1.0000 ......... 0.8333
                      f, m mult ....... 5, 1 5/2x ...... 5, 2 5/4x ..... 5, 3 5/3x ...... 5, 4 5/4x ...... 5, 5 1x ......... 5, 6 5/6x
                      f, m total ....... 2/3, 1/3 ....... 2/3, 1/3 ...... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2
                      f, m each ....... 2/15, 1/3 ..... 2/15, 1/6 .... 1/10, 1/6 ..... 1/10, 1/8 ...... 1/10, 1/10 ... 1/10, 1/12

                      fm ratio ....... 6.0000 ......... 3.0000 ........ 2.0000 ......... 1.5000 ......... 1.2000 ......... 1.0000
                      f, m mult ....... 6, 1 3x ......... 6, 2 3/2x ..... 6, 3 2x .......... 6, 4 3/2x ...... 6, 5 6/5x ...... 6, 6 1x
                      f, m total ....... 2/3, 1/3 ....... 2/3, 1/3 ...... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2
                      f, m each ....... 1/9, 1/3 ....... 1/9, 1/6 ...... 1/12, 1/6 ..... 1/12, 1/8 ..... 1/12, 1/10 .... 1/12, 1/12

                      anyone like to try next three pertaining to siblings/kalala cases?

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                        1. 1/6 mother, 1/8 wife, 17/24 children (no difference if daughters or sons alone)

                        Who has died?
                        Specific quote from Que'an needed for these hypothetical sharing.

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                          ^^^ hint wife is heir! It’s OK -- if you don’t ask dumb questions, you’ll never get over being dumb!
                          The other possibility asking who died heirs mother, wife, children is dementia which there's no cure.

                          This is the main issue not only with inheritance complete lack of basic if then else logic. They do not know how to allocate simple cases e.g. parents and daughters; if include a spouse, they are totally clueless and likewise kalala case when siblings can inherit along with parents (see 411) clearly stated and in all cases can only have one variable otherwise impossible to solve; this is basic mathematics.

                          1/3 mother (fixed 411), 2/3 father (variable)

                          Peace huruf, thank you it means a lot! Prior posts 1, 2, 3+ females to 1 male ratios.
                          Here's a test anyone who answers all six correctly – I’ll send a gift card $600 prize!

                          1. mother, wife, 2 daughters (simple)

                          2. parents, wife, 2 daughters, 2 sons (not difficult)

                          3. parents, wife, 5 daughters, 2 sons (advanced)

                          4. mother, 2 sisters, 1 brother (simple)

                          5. mother, 5 sisters, 2 brothers (includes uterine, full, father uncertain)

                          6. parents, 8 sisters, 3 brothers (forward-thinking mastered the subject)

                          comment there is no difference full/uterine siblings i.e. same mother (7150)
                          father can be uncertain e.g. rape, slavery, war, brothel, etc., regardless sibling!

                          1. 2/3 mother (variable), 1/3 siblings {2/3*1/3=2/9 two sisters (1/9 each), 1/9 brother}
                          2. 2/3 mother (variable), 1/3 siblings (see below 52 ratio is same 2.51 ratio 4176)
                          3. 1/6 mother (fixed), 1/2 father (variable), 1/3 siblings (see below 83 ratio 4176)

                          Here is scaling males mixed siblings notice consistency f/m ratios e.g. 1,1 2,2 3,3 all share equally.
                          Cannot have one part of verse contradict another. Notice difference 411 and 4176 if 2+ females.

                          4176 mixed gender siblings – sisters and brothers
                          fm ratio ....... 1.0000 ......... 0.5000 ......... 0.3333 ......... 0.2500 ........ 0.2000 ........... 0.1667
                          f, m mult ....... 1, 1 1x ......... 1, 2 1/2x ...... 1, 3 1/3x ...... 1, 4 1/4x ...... 1, 5 1/5x ........ 1, 6 1/6x
                          f, m total ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ......... 1/2, 1/2
                          f, m each ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/4 ....... 1/2, 1/6 ....... 1/2, 1/8 ....... 1/2, 1/10 ....... 1/2, 1/12

                          fm ratio ....... 2.0000 ......... 1.0000 ......... 0.6667 ......... 0.5000 ......... 0.4000 ........... 0.3333
                          f, m mult ....... 2, 1 1x ......... 2, 2 1x .......... 2, 3 2/3x ...... 2, 4 1/2x ...... 2, 5 2/5x ........ 2, 6 1/3x
                          f, m total ....... 2/3, 1/3 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ......... 1/2, 1/2
                          f, m each ....... 1/3, 1/3 ....... 1/4, 1/4 ....... 1/4, 1/6 ....... 1/4, 1/8 ....... 1/4, 1/10 ....... 1/4, 1/12

                          fm ratio ....... 3.0000 ......... 1.5000 ......... 1.0000 ......... 0.7500 ......... 0.6000 ............ 0.5000
                          f, m mult ....... 3, 1 2x ......... 3, 2 3/2x ....... 3, 3 1x ......... 3, 4 3/4x ...... 3, 5 3/5x ......... 3, 6 1/2x
                          f, m total ....... 3/5, 2/5 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ........... 1/2, 1/2
                          f, m each ....... 1/5, 2/5 ....... 1/6, 1/4 ....... 1/6, 1/6 ....... 1/6, 1/8 ....... 1/6, 1/10 ......... 1/6, 1/12

                          fm ratio ....... 4.0000 ......... 2.0000 .......... 1.3333 ......... 1.0000 ......... 0.8000 ............ 0.6667
                          f, m mult ....... 4, 1 2x ......... 4, 2 1x ........... 4, 3 4/3x ...... 4, 4 1x ......... 4, 5 4/5x .......... 4, 6 2/3x
                          f, m total ....... 2/3, 1/3 ....... 2/3, 1/3 ........ 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ........... 1/2, 1/2
                          f, m each ....... 1/6, 1/3 ....... 1/6, 1/6 ........ 1/8, 1/6 ....... 1/8, 1/8 ....... 1/8, 1/10 ......... 1/8, 1/12

                          fm ratio ....... 5.0000 ......... 2.5000 ........... 1.6667 ........ 1.2500 ......... 1.0000 ............. 0.8333
                          f, m mult ....... 5, 1 2x ......... 5, 2 5/4x ........ 5, 3 5/3x ...... 5, 4 5/4x ...... 5, 5 1x ............. 5, 6 5/6x
                          f, m total ....... 5/7, 2/7 ....... 2/3, 1/3 ......... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ........... 1/2, 1/2
                          f, m each ....... 1/7, 2/7 ....... 2/15, 1/6 ....... 1/10, 1/6 ..... 1/10, 1/8 ...... 1/10, 1/10 ....... 1/10, 1/12

                          fm ratio ....... 6.0000 ......... 3.0000 ........... 2.0000 ......... 1.5000 .......... 1.2000 ............ 1.0000
                          f, m mult ....... 6, 1 2x ......... 6, 2 2x ............ 6, 3 1x ......... 6, 4 3/2x ....... 6, 5 6/5x .......... 6, 6 1x
                          f, m total ....... 3/4, 1/4 ....... 3/5, 2/5 ......... 2/3, 1/3 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ........ 1/2, 1/2 ........... 1/2, 1/2
                          f, m each ....... 1/8, 1/4 ....... 1/10, 1/5 ....... 1/9, 1/9 ....... 1/12, 1/8 ...... 1/12, 1/10 ....... 1/12, 1/12

                          fm ratio ....... 7.0000 .......... 3.5000 .......... 2.3333 ......... 1.7500 .......... 1.4000 ............ 1.1667
                          f, m mult ....... 7, 1 2x .......... 7, 2 2x .......... 7, 3 7/6x ...... 7, 4 7/4x ....... 7, 5 7/5x .......... 7, 6 7/6x
                          f, m total ....... 7/9, 2/9 ........ 7/11, 4/11 ..... 2/3, 1/3 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ......... 1/2, 1/2 .......... 1/2, 1/2
                          f, m each ....... 1/9, 2/9 ........ 1/11, 2/11 ..... 2/21, 1/9 ..... 1/14, 1/8 ...... 1/14, 1/10 ....... 1/14, 1/12

                          fm ratio ....... 8.0000 .......... 4.0000 .......... 2.6667 .......... 2.0000 ......... 1.6000 ............. 1.3333
                          f, m mult ....... 8, 1 2x .......... 8, 2 2x .......... 8, 3 4/3x ....... 8, 4 1x .......... 8, 5 8/5x .......... 8, 6 4/3x
                          f, m total ....... 4/5, 1/5 ........ 2/3, 1/3 ........ 2/3, 1/3 ......... 2/3, 1/3 ........ 1/2, 1/2 ........... 1/2, 1/2
                          f, m each ....... 1/10, 1/5 ...... 1/12, 1/6 ...... 1/12, 1/9 ...... 1/12, 1/1 ....... 1/16, 1/10 ....... 1/16, 1/12

                          peace!

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                            1/6 mother, 1/8 wife, 17/24 children (no difference if daughters or sons alone)

                            But Qur'an says one half will go to her if there is one daughter.

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                              ^^^ pertains to mixed gender logical nested loop فان fa-in/so if وان wa-in/and if

                              411 two in relation to male; three+ in relation to male; one in relation to male
                              4176 one in relation to male; two in relation to male; three+ in relation to male

                              ELSE IF girls alone THEN no instructions in 411 for exactly two!
                              ELSE IF girls alone THEN no instructions in 4176 for over three!

                              Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
                              https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

                              https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176/handschrift/73

                              https//i.postimg.cc/GmSw-tbd2/ch4v172-ch5v2.jpg

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                                ^^^ pertains to mixed gender logical nested loop فان fa-in/so if وان wa-in/and if

                                411 two in relation to male; three+ in relation to male; one in relation to male
                                4176 one in relation to male; two in relation to male; three+ in relation to male

                                ELSE IF girls alone THEN no instructions in 411 for exactly two!
                                ELSE IF girls alone THEN no instructions in 4176 for over three!

                                فَإِن كُنَّ نِسَآءٙ فَوْقَ ٱثْنَتَيْـنِ فَلَـهُنَّ ثُلُثَا مَا تَرَكَۖ

                                وَإِن كَانَتْ وَٟحِدَةٙ فَلَـهَا ٱلنِّصْفُۚ

                                نِسَآءٙ it means three or more woman; they get two thirds.

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                                  summary https//www.academia.edu/39919602/Quran_Inheritance

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                                    Thank you again, Nun for this document. It is a very detailed job and I realise the amount of work and dedication you have put into it. I have unloaded. Hopefully along the way I may have the opportunity to "dissect it".

                                    Salaam

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                                      Thank you again, Nun for this document. It is a very detailed job and I realise the amount of work and dedication you have put into it. I have unloaded. Hopefully along the way I may have the opportunity to "dissect it".

                                      Salaam

                                      peace huruf et al see update with slightly better format.

                                      https//www.academia.edu/39919602/Quran_Inheritance

                                      likewise spouse and parents notice mother's share minimum 1/3

                                      411 ... فان so if لم not يكن beeth له for him (said person) ولد offspring وورثه and inherit him ابواه parents dual his {i.e. if both parents alive else shares variable} فلامه so to mother his الثلث the third (1/3)

                                      mother 1/3 (fixed) father 2/3 (variable)

                                      412 ولكم and for you نصف half (1/2) ما what ترك left ازوجكم spouses yours ان if لم not يكن beeth لهن for them ولد offspring

                                      mother 1/3 (fixed) husband (2/3 * 1/2 = 1/3) father 1/3 (variable)

                                      mother 1/3 (fixed) husband 1/2 (false) father 1/6 (variable)
                                      mother (1/2 * 1/3 = 1/6 false) husband 1/2 (false) father 1/3 (variable)
                                      mother 1/4 (variable false) husband 1/2 (false) father 1/4 (variable)

                                      412 ولهن and for them الربع the fourth (1/4) مما from what تركتم left you ان if لم not يكن beeth لكم for you ولد offspring

                                      wife 1/4 (fixed) mother 1/3 (fixed) father 5/12 (variable)

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                                        Salam!

                                        Is this calculator finalized?

                                        Peace!

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                                          Salam!

                                          Is this calculator finalized?

                                          Peace!

                                          peace!
                                          yes calculations download the paper not calculator best to go over each example as my old calculus professor once said final test “it’s open book bring a friend I’ll even give the answer only have to show your work otherwise it’s pointless.”

                                          solve these two have good understanding

                                          case 1 — a woman leaves inheritors
                                          husband parents and seven children
                                          son and two daughters (prior marriage)
                                          son and three daughters (current marriage)

                                          case 2 — a man leaves inheritors
                                          parents and seven siblings ie kala case reference 411, 412, 4176 and other verses
                                          brother and two sisters (same father)
                                          brother and three sisters (different father)

                                          https//www.academia.edu/39919602/Quran_Inheritance

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