Does The Quran say God told Abraham to sacrifice his son? - Eid Al Adha
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I don't know what you mean by "type of text" but, as Allah says in the Quran, if you isolate passage or ayats you may be erroneous like if you don't have a "Raḥmān-ic" context reading of the text..(put the "Basmala" in your heart and as a reading grid).
How strange! A man working on semitic rhetoric shows ignorance about type of text. Please just google to see how many are types of text and their characteristics, peculiar features. And thereafter look at 37100-13.
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How strange! A man working on semitic rhetoric shows ignorance about type of text. Please just google to see how many are types of text and their characteristics, peculiar features. And thereafter look at 37100-13.
Sarcasm brings nothing and read/meditate my text to the end instead of cutting it and take what you want.
And as you know I already posted the structure of this passage here https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610603.30 (Go to the last message)A clarification I do not work on the Semitic rhetoric but on the way in which the Koranic speech is structured and coherent and harmonious. Semitic rhetoric is only a tool adapted to the Qur'anic context and to highlight relations between ayats in the Koran
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Sarcasm brings nothing and read/meditate my text to the end instead of cutting it and take what you want.
And as you know I already posted the structure of this passage here https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610603.30 (Go to the last message)A clarification I do not work on the Semitic rhetoric but on the way in which the Koranic speech is structured and coherent and harmonious. Semitic rhetoric is only a tool adapted to the Qur'anic context and to highlight relations between ayats in the Koran
Ayah 100-113 is a Narrative. Narrative is a Factual Recount. Narrative texts have to do with real-world events and time. The purposes of narrative may be to inform, to persuade and/or to correct the record, rectify the falsities gleaned by people from the Epistemology of Testimony. The main structural components of a narrative are the orientation, the complication and the resolution, and may include a concluding statement or comment in order to sum up the message.
Narrative writing uses time as its deep structure. Language features of narrative text are
Adverb of time.
Past Tense is used except in conversations.
Time conjunction (when, then, thereat, suddenly, etc)
Specific character. The character of the episode is specific, not general.
Action verbs. A verb that shows an action.
Direct speech. It is to make the episode lively.
The vocabulary is usually everyday language, depending on the subject matter.
When we keep such basic academic points, we can watch the event in the text.
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Is anything you have said actually based on Quran? If so please provide the evidence.
Peace Wakas, perhaps I should clarify my position.
No, Allah does not advocate evil . Abraham's dream
was his own. (nowhere in Quran does it state that Abrahams
dream was from Allah, Muhammad's dream as well as Yusuf's dream
were both from Allah) His intention was to obey Allah but like many who
commit evil acts in the name of Allah he thought that it was Allah who
was inspiring him. By Allah's blessing and grace and brother
Abraham's reflection - he used his God given
blessing of reflection to reach the right conclusion.peace
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Peace Wakas, perhaps I should clarify my position.
No, Allah does not advocate evil . Abraham's dream
was his own. (nowhere in Quran does it state that Abrahams
dream was from Allah, Muhammad's dream as well as Yusuf's dream
were both from Allah) His intention was to obey Allah but like many who
commit evil acts in the name of Allah he thought that it was Allah who
was inspiring him. By Allah's blessing and grace and brother
Abraham's reflection - he used his God given
blessing of reflection to reach the right conclusion.Peace hawk99,
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You have reason to underline Abraham's reflection but please note this sentence from Allah37 106
this (was) surely the trial CLEAR in itself.(2)
Also, Ishmael says "if allah intends" in 37102 so the vision comes from Allah without doubt.Salam
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How can a student of Qoran even consider that GOD would do such a thing?
Have a look again at GOD s attributes!!!!
My GOD of Qoran would not order Fahisha/Murder....What? Would GOD contradict Himself? Subhannah Allah!!!Thou shall not kill is one of the commands. Do not even contemplate the idea.
End of the argument. Or are we looking for a verse that clearly indicates "GOD did not instruct Abraham and had nothing to do with the vision"?
it is clear that one cannot find the verse that clearly identifies the dream to be from GOD? Is that not enough?GOD bless.
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How can a student of Qoran even consider that GOD would do such a thing?
Have a look again at GOD s attributes!!!!
My GOD of Qoran would not order Fahisha/Murder....What? Would GOD contradict Himself? Subhannah Allah!!!Thou shall not kill is one of the commands. Do not even contemplate the idea.
End of the argument. Or are we looking for a verse that clearly indicates "GOD did not instruct Abraham and had nothing to do with the vision"?
it is clear that one cannot find the verse that clearly identifies the dream to be from GOD? Is that not enough?GOD bless.
Peace.Salam Good logic,
Do you adress your critic to me ? Because i NEVER say that the vision was about to kill his son (Read my previous interventions in différents threads + it contradict the Basmala and surah 113-114).
Otherwise sorry for this post.Peace
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My post was not addressed to you in particular brother Iyyaka.
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It was addressing the title of the topic. i.e Of course Qoran never said "GOD told Abraham to sacrifice his son...".
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
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My post was not addressed to you in particular brother Iyyaka.
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It was addressing the title of the topic. i.e Of course Qoran never said "GOD told Abraham to sacrifice his son...".
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Ok
Some might think it's a lot of energy to spend on braham history and this small ayat (37102) but I think it's the heart of our vision of God that is at stake and this vision influences our behavior.
We can say "I put my trust (not Believe) in Allah" but which Allah? This is a fundamental question that must also allow us to have a "Rhamanic" reading of the Qur'an.
Peace and god bless u -
Peace Wakas, I do like your analogy of the father and son's heartfelt
separation, but when you say"No mention of a misinterpreted dream is found in Quran, and this position
requires us to believe that both Abraham and his son misinterpreted it,
which seems unlikely. Note that his son clearly thought it was a command."Could it not be that his son simply believed his father and replied "do as you are
commanded"peace
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Kim Il Sun Son, what do you say if I kill you as a sacrifice to our Korean gods?
Kim Jong Il Do as you please dad.
Kim Il Sun ** Lifting his dagger to kill his own son **
Kim Jong Suk STOP!!! WTF are you doing!! Il Suk!! Are you F&*ng insane??????? He's our child!!!
That's it.. I had enough with this!!
Jong Il!!! Come with Mama.. we're leaving this nuthouse.. your dad is F&*ng insane!!
As for you Il Sun!! That's it.. I had enough of this.. I'm filing for a divorce.. and you don't deserve any parental rights!! -
Kim Il Sun Son, what do you say if I kill you as a sacrifice to our Korean gods?
Kim Jong Il Do as you please dad.
Kim Il Sun ** Lifting his dagger to kill his own son **
Kim Jong Suk STOP!!! WTF are you doing!! Il Suk!! Are you F&*ng insane??????? He's our child!!!
That's it.. I had enough with this!!
Jong Il!!! Come with Mama.. we're leaving this nuthouse.. your dad is F&*ng insane!!
As for you Il Sun!! That's it.. I had enough of this.. I'm filing for a divorce.. and you don't deserve any parental rights!!in old times people were so sure that God pleased with the color of blood , hence sins can only wash with the help of blood sacrifice..
SACRIFICE type of feelings and actions are assets to human values therefore stories related with sacrifice leave impression on heart and mind of people..
even in this time/space we have to sacrifice ourselves in lot of things to achieve a status of having in someones good books...
millions of poor animals are still paying the price of sacrifice in the name of that event.. blood thirsty land and the land owners cant get rid of coloring the land with red, its a cultural insanity transfer from tradition to tradition in different make up..
years ago i watched a movie Apocalypto even on the other side of world not yet discovered by ancient people, that practice of maya civilisation was going on there ..
the ending part of movie was interesting as soon human get rid from one concept of ignorance another new ignorant concept is waiting for him.
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peace,
Peace Wakas, I do like your analogy of the father and son's heartfelt
separation, but when you say"No mention of a misinterpreted dream is found in Quran, and this position
requires us to believe that both Abraham and his son misinterpreted it,
which seems unlikely. Note that his son clearly thought it was a command."Could it not be that his son simply believed his father and replied "do as you are
commanded"Abraham asked his son for his view (i.e. "look what you see?", so this suggests his son did exactly that, i.e. gave Abraham his considered opinion. Essentially he concurred with Abraham, emphasising to do as he has been commanded and he (the son) will be of the patient ones, if God willed.
Yes but the son did not object to anything -
Peace Jafar.
Your story is not finished, ,this is more like itKim Il Sun Son, what do you say if I kill you as a sacrifice to our Korean gods?
Kim Jong Il Do as you please dad.
Kim Il Sun ** Lifting his dagger to kill his own son **
Kim Jong Suk STOP!!! WTF are you doing!! Il Suk!! Are you F&*ng insane? He's our child!!!
That's it.. I had enough with this!!
Jong Il!!! Come with Mama.. we're leaving this nuthouse.. your dad is F&*ng insane!!
As for you Il Sun!! That's it.. I had enough of this.. I'm filing for a divorce.. and you don't deserve any parental rights!!Kim Il Sun Son, your mum has saved you. I will sacrifice her instead.
yeah whatever
GOD bless you.
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Kim Il Sun Son, your mum has saved you. I will sacrifice her instead.
then suddenly robbers entered into the house who were also serial rapists/murderers .. now there is a big twist lmao rotfl
robbers demand from parents let them do the things as per their wish otherwise son is at risk ....
wife said ok kill my son i dnt want to give sacrifice anymore, he already was willing to give sacrifice for no reason atleast he have a reason to save the honor of mother..
husband said do whatever you guys want they already planned to leave me ...
another twist son offered robbers that he want to work for them free of charge as a team if they killed both of his parents ...
or horror genre son turned into monster and killed every single person in the house..
stories upon stories, twists upon twists, versions upon versions, thats what the beauty of human mind = very complicated thing at planet earth..
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Yes brother Imran.
All stories will end and most of the human race will live happily ever after. In HELL!!!!Like Pharoah, Hitler, past leaders from all sorts of tribes and nations....
Perhaps also good logic, Jafar,, your good self ,other brothers and sisters from here and elsewhere that are lucky for now to be living after them generations if each one of us does not "sacrifice " our satans and learn from their examples and stories.GOD bless you.
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The moral I think is,
Abraham belief is so strong he was prepared forego a priceless procession of him, for some cause of goodness, thats the command, and God rewarded for his belief and made it easy with a sacrifice easier for him.
Prepare to give every effort in the name of goodness, God makes it easier.
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Yes brother Imran.
All stories will end and most of the human race will live happily ever after. In HELL!!!!yes brother GL,
you are time-traveler who knows where most of the people will go and what state of happiness and sadness they will experience isnt it.. rotfl
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It is not rocket Science to know where humans end up after they finish with this life.
They will either be with GOD or without GOD. I,e haven or hell!!!Since "Majority" do not accept the "rule of GOD" one can guess the obvious.
So brother Imran this simple matter does not require time travel.
When we hit the gravel, the destiny of hell is where the majority will travel.
And all the mysteries you are pondering now will unravel.GOD bless you.
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It is not rocket Science to know where humans end up after they finish with this life.
i agree its not a rocket science becoz rocket science deals with discovering space.. rocket science got nothing to do with afterlife
its a time-travelling science still in process of discovery shrouded in cover of mystery
Since "Majority" do not accept the "rule of GOD" one can guess the obvious.
becoz majority get the rules from human made ideas,things,books vs the direct communication/postage.
guesswork plays an important role specially its very easy to guess about future becoz nobody can prove it wrong due to lack of vision in future, hence time-traveling required for proven fact..
They will either be with GOD or without GOD. I,e haven or hell!!!
nothing will gona happen whats not in accordance to the plan of creator, you and me will find out in future, until then chill lol..
So brother Imran this simple matter does not require time travel.
When we hit the gravel, the destiny of hell is where the majority will travel.
may b its simple for you but science see it differently, future events prediction with a solid claim absolutely required time-travel..
the one who made the destiny will lead all actors to the place what he created for the actors of past and future.. according to his plan of placing actors who performed the roles what designed for them by designer.
if he want you to play a villain or hero then nothing can stop you from playing that role..
mickey mouse will certainly play the role what walt disney(his creator) decided for him...mickey got no power to go against walt-disney
