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The Nature of the Creator

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    Houriya
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    Peace,

    The screen and the movie are a metaphor. As the human being is identified with his character which is a cluster of thoughts, he plays a role as an actor in a film.

    There is a multiplicity of forms, but only one being, the whole, Allah is unique / ahad. The one being, is inside and outside each form. He is the conductor of the entire creation. All phenomena appear and disappear. the Being who animates the Whole is indestructible, eternal.

    We are a manifestation of the one Being in a human body.
    The whole is one, we realize the uniqueness of The creator through his creation.

    Peace.

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      NATURE of creator = ? a big question mark.

      NATURE of HUMAN what we experienced from fellow humans.

      1 Insecure
      2 Fearful
      3 Attention seeker
      4 Gullible
      5 Blind follower
      6 Jealous
      7 Self-centered
      8 Selfish
      9 Lack of vision
      10 Lack of knowledge
      11 Greed
      12 helpless
      13 without a choice from entering or exiting from this life/planet .......
      ....... so on

      these are not the qualities or attributes because good and bad attributes depend on person to person..

      like

      1 Hate
      2 Killing other creation
      3 Robbing
      4 Rapping
      5 Stealing/theft
      6 Stealing/theft by force
      7 Fraud/fakery
      8 Invading the lands of weak
      9 Imposing restrictions
      10 LIE
      11 Dishonesty
      12 Disobey the elders
      13 RUDE / cruel
      14 Trouble making/ mischief making
      15 cheating.....
      ....... so on

      The opposite of those qualities/attributes also there.. but question is instead of finding out the NATURE of creator what is not possible and we also know its not possible then why dnt we struggle finding the nature of a human being ?

      do we even know our own NATURE at 100 % ?
      Can creator make faulty or confusing creation ?
      what if the concept of creating force is way different then what we learn from ancient texts ?

      The heart is the direct, vertical way (sirat mustaqeem) to achieve obedience and submission to the divine (almasjid alqssa). In the heart, the human being is behind the divine (khalf, khaleefa) like a horse that is guided by his rider. .

      the only function of heart is to pump the blood in your body.

      thoughts/spirituality/submitting/choices never comes from heart but from mind both (good/right vs bad/wrong)

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        Houriya
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        Peace,

        it is not the eyes that become blind but the hearts in the breasts.

        when one gives all the power to the mind which is the seat of thought, he cuts off the individual from his heart and makes him sick.

        Allah opens or not the heart of the human being to make peace (islam)

        Peace.

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          Houriya
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          Peace,

          Here are some examples of the heart in the Qur'an

          Surah 22
          46. ​​What do they travel on earth to have hearts to understand, and ears to hear? Because
          it is not the eyes that blind themselves, but, it is the hearts in the breasts that blind themselves.

          1. And so that those to whom knowledge has been given know that (the Quran) is indeed, the Truth coming from your
            Lord, let them believe in it, and let their hearts submit to it in all humility. Allah guides to the right
            those who believe.

          to believe with the heart,
          the heart trembles,
          the heart hardens,
          the heart doubts,
          heart sealed, the heart deviates, the heart turns away.
          The heart is tranquilized,
          the heart leans,
          the heart empty,
          to penetrate the heart,
          the heart denies.

          Allah sealed hearts, hearing, and eyes.

          We have put sails on their hearts, so that they do not understand it.

          We have strengthened their hearts.

          their distracted hearts

          is inspired by the piety of hearts.

          their hearts are full of fear.

          their hearts remain ignorant of this.

          hearts will be upset as well as looks.

          Is there a disease in their hearts? or do they doubt?

          Allah seals the hearts of those who do not know.

          No blame on you for what you do by mistake, but (you will be blamed for) what your hearts are doing deliberately.

          when hearts go up to the throats, terrified (or anxious).

          He threw fear into their hearts.

          Allah knows, however, what is in your hearts.

          the fear will be removed from their hearts,

          then their skins and their hearts soothe the remembrance of Allah.

          the hearts of those who do not believe in the hereafter and when we mention those who are outside Him, they rejoice.

          Our hearts are veiled against what you call us, our ears are deaf.

          Surah 47
          16. And some of them are listening to you. Once out of your house, they say to those who have received science "What did he say, sometimes? "These are the ones whose hearts Allah has sealed and who follow their own passions.

          1. Do not they meditate on the Qur'an? Or are there padlocks on their hearts?

          They say with their tongues what is not in their hearts.

          And it has been embellished in your hearts.

          ... in their hearts the fury, the fury of ignorance.

          Allah has felt the hearts for godliness.

          faith has not yet penetrated your hearts.

          their hearts humble at the mention of Allah and before what came down from the truth .

          put in the hearts of those who followed him sweetness and meekness.

          He prescribed faith in their hearts and He helped them with His help.

          and do not feel in their hearts any desire.

          and put in our hearts no rancor for those who believed.

          their hearts are divided.

          Allah deflected their hearts

          Surah 63
          3. It is because in truth they believed, and rejected the faith. Their hearts, therefore, have been sealed, so that they understand nothing.

          If you repent to Allah it is because your hearts have fallen.

          Surah 79
          8. On that day, there will be hearts that will be frightened,

          Surah 86
          9. The day when hearts will reveal their secrets,

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            Houriya
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            Allah interposes himself between man and his heart.

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              imrankhawaja
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              Is ur thread is about the nature of creator?

              Or

              You are trying to say heart is responsible for consciousness of human being?

              Will love to see if you have any scientific/biological data to back up your claim.

              If u ask from experts the book is not talking about organ heart but a character/self.

              About the consciousness mind is responsible for it although still lot of things to know about the trillions of neurons working side by side as a networking web. Its highly complicated device humans are holding in their skulls. BRAIN is hard to handle, it appears human was not yet ready to operate that brain we just unlocked a very little of it.

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                Houriya
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                God is consciousness, the unique Being, the whole. I do not speak of the attributes of the divine.
                The heart that is in the chest is an organ that pumps the blood, allows us to connect to the divine in us.

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                  Hmm so people select a wrong organ "BRAIN" for consciousness. Vice versa Its heart responsible for the functions?

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                    Jafar
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                    The screen and the movie are a metaphor. As the human being is identified with his character which is a cluster of thoughts, he plays a role as an actor in a film

                    The closer metaphor will be, everything exist within the creator's dream.
                    In absolute sense; you, me, them do not exist, only the creator exist..

                    That is why the path of 'good' / 'truth' is the path towards 'non-self'..(Humility, Sacrifice, Loving All) and the path of 'evil' / 'illusion' is the path towards 'self' / 'ego'. (Arrogance, Pride, Narcism, Self / Us Superiority Over Others / Them, Excessive Loves Towards Me or Us While Hating Others or Them etc)

                    Hmm so people select a wrong organ "BRAIN" for consciousness. Vice versa Its heart responsible for the functions?

                    Yes as it happened, brain is not necessarily required for consciousness, although brain does contribute to it.
                    The research of it is it's infancy though but some preliminary result does available of experiment with animals (mice). Mice brain being cuts on any portion doesn't eliminate the memory which was previously recorded / memorized by the mice.

                    The metaphor is more of, brain is the 'cpu' which manage your interaction with a 'computer'.
                    And heart is more of the power supply which regulate the electricity flowing within a computer.

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                      Houriya
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                      Agree Jafar, only the self exist.

                      we live in the dream of time. All of our phenomenal life unfolds in the eternal present.

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                        Jafar
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                        we live in the dream of time. All of our phenomenal life unfolds in the eternal present.

                        The conception of 'eternal present' and/or 'infinitely everywhere and all the time and beyond' is something which is impossible to grasped by any being, at least any being within this universe. Because that's not how all being in this universe experienced space and time. Space and time by itself is part of 'creation'.

                        That's why even the question of "The Nature of God" in itself is absurd in the first place. As any or even all of nature within this universe cannot be compared to 'the creator'. Which implied the notion of "Human Like" 'creator' to be absurd as well (Get angry, vengeful, punishing beings for not obeying his order, envious of other gods, rebel-able / reject-able) let alone the notion of "multiple creators".

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                          Houriya
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                          There are two types of time clock time and psychological time. This one is based on the past (memories), the future (anticipation). The past and future does not exist.
                          Only the eternal present moment exists

                          When we live in the memory of the past or in the future, we become unconscious.

                          When we live in the present, we are aware of ourselves and we can establish the link with the creator.

                          The verification is done only by the experience which allows to reach the certainty in the heart. The human mind is limited to understand the infinite.

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                            When we live in the memory of the past or in the future, we become unconscious.
                            When we live in the present, we are aware of ourselves and we can establish the link with the creator.

                            The link with the creator was, is and always established, it can never be severed.. regardless of what or who you are..

                            The verification is done only by the experience which allows to reach the certainty in the heart. The human mind is limited to understand the infinite.

                            I think it's more to the 'soul' rather than 'heart', human brain is limited to understand within it's own limitation (finite) and not infinite.

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