Was there any other creation before humans and jinn and why are most made for...
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Peace All believers and disbelievers...
Those who on the brink of disbelief or already deep rooted in disbelief and still approach to God Alone sites means they want to give their own belief to God alone believers either with good intent or with corrupt mind .. Okay.. Fine.. Whatever..
So first explain below...
** What is YOUR BELIEF fundamentally ? And why is that? And why it is better than believing in one God..
** if God is fake, then No creation, only option is EVOLUTION.. So prove Evolution.. If no evolution and no creation then explain what?
** JUSTICE.. Can your belief is good enough to give justice to those who are deprived of justice in this world... And how?
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Peace,
Part of our deen is the acceptance of Al Ghaib.
(6.59)
With Him are the keys of the unseen (ghayb). No one knows them other than
Him. He knows what is in land and sea. No leaf falls but He knows it; nor there
is a grain in the darkness of the earth or a green or dry thing but in a manifest Book.However, Allah reveals the unseen to whom he wills. (7226-2
peace
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Peace Imran.
About what you say here, quote
Human BEST cross-question then why cant 2nd 3rd 4rth come into Being with same process.Suppose this happens, other gods come into being then only one of them will be " absolute." They will most certainly compete with each other and try their best to compete with the "absolute one".
The minute you have more than one god, GOD no longer make sense as things stand. Harmony .unity and consistent same design of creation all around us will not exist alone. We can clearly see that our universe has got GOD s stamp/ design all over it.
What we can clearly say is that our universe at least has one GOD.Also this, quote
So in short what people said about GOD/xyz is not = what GOD/xyz actually said.Has GOD said anything at all? Where?
If GOD has said nothing,how do we know so many things about"GOD" that our human imagination cannot grasp?
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace GL,
YOUR FIRST QUOTE why i need to suppose? Lol
Although if u ve read my full post the anwer already lies within.If u see the ancient God/s of greek or other well-known nations you will see they have God/s in plural form
God/ess of love n hate,
God/ess of war n destruction.
God of thunder THOR lol
GOD of rain sadness and happiness
God of romance cupid n eros
Monkey God
Sun moon mars God
Ghanesh elephant God
Snake God..I got big list of those ancient Gods. With human characteristics
Then a person called abraham exposed the religious scam of multiple God/s. Who happen to be the father of modern abrahamic religions ie islam/judiasm/christianity.
And also the lines of abrahaim faith evolved that IMAGE.
Btw what i tried telling to the the OP, if the ideas are generated by human minds and the rejection of those ideas also by human mind...
MIND 1 will say what the follwers of mind 1 will grasp.
MIND 2 will refute the ideas of mind 1 what the follwers of mind 2 will grasp.Singularity or plurality is not the issue.
Thats the problem with faith, one person faith is different than another person faith.
YOUR SECOND QUOTE oh my gosh lol give me an example of what you know about GOD?
I use to listen from people they believe about things about God now atleast i have one person who not only believes but KNOWS about GOD superb rotfl
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Peace Imran.
Quoteoh my gosh lol give me an example of what you know about GOD?
Perhaps this is from humans.they said all these about GOD
Most exalted is the One in whose hands is all kingship, and He is Omnipotent.
The One who created death and life for the purpose of distinguishing those among you who would do better. He is the Almighty, the Forgiving.
He is the One who initiates and repeats.
God is the One who created you. He is the One who provides for you. He is the One who puts you to death. He is the One who resurrects you. Can any of your gods do any of these things? Be He glorified. He is much too exalted to have any partners.
God is the One who sent down the scripture, to deliver the truth and the law. For all that you know, the Hour (Day of Judgment) may be very close.
O people, ubudu only your Lord - the One who created you and those before you - that you may be saved.
The One who made the earth habitable for you, and the sky a structure. He sends down from the sky water, to produce all kinds of fruits for your sustenance. You shall not set up gods to rival God, now that you know.
He is the One who created you from mud, then predetermined your life span, a life span that is known only to Him. Yet, you continue to doubt.
He is the one God in the heavens and the earth. He knows your secrets and your declarations, and He knows everything you earn.He is the One who shapes you in the wombs as He wills. There is no other god besides Him; the Almighty, Most Wise.
O people, observe your Lord; the One who created you from one being, and created from it its mate, then spread from the two many men and women. You shall regard God, by whom you swear, and regard the parents. God is watching over you.
He is the One who created the heavens and the earth in six days/periods - and His (earthly) domain was completely covered with water - in order to test you, to distinguish those among you who work righteousness. Yet, when you say, "You will be resurrected after death," those who disbelieve would say, "This is clearly witchcraft."
He is the One who puts you to death during the night, and knows even the smallest of your actions during the day. He resurrects you every morning, until your life span is fulfilled, then to Him is your ultimate return. He will then inform you of everything you had done.He is the One who created the heavens and the earth, truthfully. Whenever He says, "Be," it is. His word is the absolute truth. All sovereignty belongs to Him the day the horn is blown. Knower of all secrets and declarations, He is the Most Wise, the Cognizant.
He is the One who created the heavens and the earth, and everything between them, in six days/periods, then has all authority. The Most Gracious; ask about Him those who are well founded in knowledge.
He is the One who merges the two seas; one is fresh and palatable, while the other is salty and undrinkable. And He separated them with a formidable, inviolable barrier (evaporation).
God is the One who causes the grains and the seeds to crack and germinate. He produces the living from the dead, and the dead from the living. Such is God; how could you deviate!
At the crack of dawn, He causes the morning to emerge. He made the night still, and He rendered the sun and the moon to serve as calculation devices. Such is the design of the Almighty, the Omniscient.
And He is the One who made the stars to guide you during the darkness, on land and on sea. We thus clarify the revelations for people who know.
He initiated you from one person, and decided your path, as well as your final destiny. We thus clarify the revelations for people who understand.
He is the One who sends down from the sky water, whereby we produce all kinds of plants. We produce from the green material multitudes of complex grains, palm trees with hanging clusters, and gardens of grapes, olives and pomegranate; fruits that are similar, yet dissimilar. Note their fruits as they grow and ripen. These are signs for people who believe.
Most blessed is the One who placed constellations in the sky, and placed in it a lamp, and a shining moon.
He is the One who made you inheritors of the earth, and He raised some of you above others in rank, in order to test you in accordance with what He has given you. Surely, your Lord is efficient in enforcing retribution, and He is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
Your only Lord is God; the One who created the heavens and the earth in six days/periods, then has all authority. He controls all matters. There is no intercessor, except in accordance with His will. Such is God your Lord. You shall ubudu Him. Would you not take heed?To Him is your ultimate return, all of you. This is God's truthful promise. He initiates the creation, then repeats it, in order to reward those who believe and lead a righteous life, equitably. As for those who disbelieve, they incur hellish drinks, and a painful retribution for their disbelieving.
He is the One who rendered the sun radiant, and the moon a light(reflector), and He designed its phases that you may learn to count the years and to calculate. God did not create all this, except for a specific purpose. He explains the revelations for people who know.He is the One who moves you across the land and sea. You get onto the ships, and they sail smoothly in a nice breeze. ...
He is the One who rendered the night for your rest, and rendered the day lighted. These are proofs for people who can hear.
God is the One who raised the heavens without pillars that you can see, then has all authority. He committed the sun and the moon, each running (in its orbit) for a predetermined period. He controls all things, and explains the revelations, that you may attain certainty about meeting your Lord.
He is the One who constructed the earth and placed on it mountains and rivers. And from the different kinds of fruits, He made them into pairs - males and females. The night overtakes the day. These are solid proofs for people who think.
He is the One who shows you the lightning as a source of fear, as well as hope, and He initiates the loaded clouds.
God is the One who increases the provision for whomever He wills, or withholds it. They have become preoccupied with this life; and this life, compared to the Hereafter, is nil.
They should have been prostrating before God, the One who manifests all the mysteries in the heavens and the earth, and the One who knows everything you conceal and everything you declare.
Most Exalted is the One who possesses all sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them. With Him is the knowledge about the Hour (end of the world), and to Him you will be returned.
With God is the knowledge about the Hour (end of the world). He is the One who sends down the rain, and He knows the contents of the womb. No soul knows what will happen to it tomorrow, and no one knows in which land he or she will die. God is Omniscient, Cognizant.
He is the One who helps you, together with His angels, to lead you out of darkness into the light. He is Most Merciful towards the believers.
He is the One who accepts the repentance from His servants, and remits the sins. He is fully aware of everything you do.
He is the One who makes you laugh or cry.
Glory be to the One who created all kinds of plants from the earth, as well as themselves, and other creations that they do not even know.Have they not seen the birds above them lined up in columns and spreading their wings? The Most Gracious is the One who holds them in the air. He is Seer of all things.
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He is the One who continuously shows you His proofs, and sends down to you from the sky provisions. Only those who totally submit will be able to take heed.
He is the Alpha and the Omega. He is the Outermost and the Innermost. He is fully aware of all things.
He is the One God; there is no other god beside Him. Knower of all secrets and declarations. He is the Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
He is the One God; there is no other god beside Him. The King, the Most Sacred, the Peace, the Most Faithful, the Supreme, the Almighty, the Most Powerful, the Most Dignified. God be glorified; far above having partners.
He is the One God; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. ...Not me brother Imran,, I have limited knowledge.Somebody somewhere knows a lot about GOD!
GOD bless you.
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Who is that true all loving capital G.. God? Just let us know.. Open up youraelf and your basic core..
The one that can be found within after you've shed your ego.
Also wanted to add that you need to understand, and trust, that the God of the universe acts on perfect understanding of all things and perfect consideration of all things.
So maybe, instead of asking to understand the perfect understanding of all things, try to seek the perfect understanding of your own self...with honesty...and perseverance, then you'll be much better equipped.
Agree... and God acts through all things as well, as the true God is in control of everything.
Because God is in control, thus there's 0% probability that God will be angry, God has enemies, God spread fear of punishment to obtain obedience from the things which It has created Itself and are totally within It's control.
It's the polytheistic gods and goddesses who are mad as hell, has enemies (other gods), spread fear of punishment to obtain obedience from the things which are obviously beyond it's control.
The ancient christians a.k.a proto-muslims call those gods and goddesses as Demons, the pretender to be god. Demons are also creature of the true God who has chosen the path of ego-centered fulfillment, resulted in blasted ego, pride, love being worshiped and feared, continuous longing for the pleasure of superiority such as winning, slaying, hatred of anything besides themselves, continuously striving to control other creatures to become it's slaves and servants through spreading fear of disobedience.
God did not punished the demons, it's the demons who are punishing themselves through living the life of illusion and fake-ness. The illusion of self-grandeur, the illusion of self-pride, the illusion that they can do things which are beyond the control of the true God. (the illusion of free-will-from-God)
At one point even those demons will came into a realization, and their self-induced sufferings will end.The path of ego-centered fulfillment is a very hard path, full of anger, full of hatred, full of discomfort, full of sufferings and that is why majority of creatures will not be able to endure this path for long. Even when they initially do they will reached a point of realization and shall eventually return to the natural path.
The ancient christians a.k.a proto-muslims refused to even scared of the polytheistic gods / demons or bow and worshiped the demons. This is the cultural backdrop of a story known as "Dweller of the cave" a.k.a "7 sleepers of Ephesus" a.k.a "Ashabul Kahf", which of course makes the demons and it's slaves / servants angry and spreading an even bigger fear and threat of punishment in order to control them. Why fear and punishment? Because that is the only mean that they are familiar with to obtain control.
What we can clearly say is that our universe at least has one GOD.
What we can clearly say is that our universe can only have one GOD.
Because by definition God itself is an infinity, once there's let's say God A and God B, then God A and God B will have a boundary between them which render all of them no longer an infinity.That's why a detached god are fake Gods.
God who is not in control of everything are fake Gods.
God who get angry, spread fear to obtain control and obedience are fake Gods.Salam / Peace
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The one that can be found within after you've shed your ego.
The above is your response for my question Who is your God?..
To say this, you should have killed your ego and should have found your God within... Congratz ... May I know, how do you feel after knowing your God and what benefit? Coz your God doesn't punish.. So your God is equal to all.. What a fair Lord.. Lol
In case if one doesn't want to see his God within him.. Why should he kill his ego... What if he be the worst of persons of this world?. What is the issue.. If no punishment I would like to be one of those worst character... And try to live as I want with all luxury hoarding most possibly in bad way as long as I live.. Coz there is no life after and no punishment promised ...wow.. Such a cool God you have Jafar.. So nothing to worry.. Just make everyone fool and enjoy till die.. Why restrict myself with good ethics... Shay!!. While this is the only chance I get as life.. With death chapter sealed.. So you want me to be a fool by sharing my pleasure and wealth with others.. No way.. Further your God never threaten or warn.. That's a plus point and paving my way easy to my aim.. Lol..
So jafer, you found your God by shedding you ego..
I can use the weaknesses of your Lord to my victory in this life.. Coz your God never warn with Hell... That's more than enough to entice me to opt bad path and achieve my goals as long as I manage to escape this world's law.But unfortunately Mr. Jafer God I found is entirely different to what you found and He is warning me a great disaster... That restricts me from all above.. That leads me to shed ego... In fact with fear.. Fear is key for control.. And also with an anticipation of a blessed life hereafter ...what a lovely God I have found in me.. Oops!! you missed my Lord..
What your God promises for you if you shed ego.. Hmmm..let me guess.. confused
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Brother jkhan.
I am still worried in case what I do will not be enough to save me. You know the angels at the gate can just give us back our good deeds and send us to hell. You know like this lawyer
New York divorce lawyer died and arrived at the pearly gates.
Saint Peter asks him "What have you done to merit entrance into Heaven?"
The Lawyer thought a moment, then said, "A week ago, I gave a quarter to a homeless person on the street."
Saint Peter asked Gabriel to check this out in the record, and after a moment Gabriel affirmed that this was true. Saint Peter said, "Well , that's fine, but it's not really quite enough to get you into Heaven."
The Lawyer said, "Wait Wait! There's more! Three years ago I also gave a homeless person a quarter."
Saint Peter nodded to Gabriel, who after a moment nodded back, affirming this, too, had been verified. Saint Peter then whispered to Gabriel, "Well, what do you suggest we do with this fellow?"
Gabriel gave the Lawyer a sidelong glance, then said to Saint Peter, "Let's give him back his 50 cents and send him to Hell."Brother jafar has got it easy with his god. I too still prefer mine ,no switching gods for me too.
GOD bless you.
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The above is your response for my question Who is your God?..
To say this, you should have killed your ego and should have found your God within... Congratz ... May I know, how do you feel after knowing your God and what benefit? Coz your God doesn't punish.. So your God is equal to all.. What a fair Lord.. Lol
In case if one doesn't want to see his God within him.. Why should he kill his ego... What if he be the worst of persons of this world?. What is the issue.. If no punishment I would like to be one of those worst character... And try to live as I want with all luxury hoarding most possibly in bad way as long as I live.. Coz there is no life after and no punishment promised ...wow.. Such a cool God you have Jafar.. So nothing to worry.. Just make everyone fool and enjoy till die.. Why restrict myself with good ethics... Shay!!. While this is the only chance I get as life.. With death chapter sealed.. So you want me to be a fool by sharing my pleasure and wealth with others.. No way.. Further your God never threaten or warn.. That's a plus point and paving my way easy to my aim.. Lol..It's not "In order to be good you need to be humble" but it's more of "you will be humble when you're good".
I can use the weaknesses of your Lord to my victory in this life.. Coz your God never warn with Hell... That's more than enough to entice me to opt bad path and achieve my goals as long as I manage to escape this world's law.
And what is your goal?
Depending on what your goal is, then yes you can opt the path of "ego-centered" to achieve such goal.
Especially if your goal are- To feel the sweetness of victory and winning.
- To feel the joy of pride and being superior.
That leads me to shed ego... In fact with fear..
You cannot shed ego with fear, fear is coming from ego.
Fear is key for control..
Interesting that you adopted such view.
But yes I somehow agree with you for this one, fear is a very effective mean to quickly control other creatures, at least temporarily, that is for those who doesn't have natural control over other creatures.
But not all... fear will not work to control some creatures...And fear has it's own impact, it will also produce hatred and resentment.
Feel free to try it on your everyday life, instill fear on them and try to take control over them.
By the way, have you ever pondered how you manage to control your own hands (or other body parts which you believe you have natural control over) ? Is it through fear?
What your God promises for you if you shed ego.. Hmmm..let me guess..
Isn't it obvious? Non-existence.
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Brother jkhan.
I am still worried in case what I do will not be enough to save me. You know the angels at the gate can just give us back our good deeds and send us to hell. You know like this lawyer
Peace...
It's possible why not...but that's only possible with the type of God Jafer believes in... Coz his God never record the history...But our Lord record all minute thing and hand over to us to read so that we don't deny what we did...
That's our Lord..So don't worry.. our moment of death will expose everything... No need till we reach to the day of resurrection....that's our Lords promise...Our Lords promise will be exposed while you and me die...
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It's not "In order to be good you need to be humble" but it's more of "you will be humble when you're good".
Why I need to be humble while your Lord never punish me...?
Why i need to be good while your Lord never reward me with good or bad...?And what is your goal?
Depending on what your goal is, then yes you can opt the path of "ego-centered" to achieve such goal.
Especially if your goal are- To feel the sweetness of victory and winning.
- To feel the joy of pride and being superior.
Whatever my path is or whatever the path i prefer to choose won't make any difference.,.... The worst on the earth and the best on the earth will face the same destiny according to your God... coz Your God doesn't warn punishment and never promise a reward...
You cannot shed ego with fear, fear is coming from ego.
Interesting that you adopted such view.
But yes I somehow agree with you for this one, fear is a very effective mean to quickly control other creatures, at least temporarily, that is for those who doesn't have natural control over other creatures.
But not all... fear will not work to control some creatures...And fear has it's own impact, it will also produce hatred and resentment.
Feel free to try it on your everyday life, instill fear on them and try to take control over them.
By the way, have you ever pondered how you manage to control your own hands (or other body parts which you believe you have natural control over) ? Is it through fear?
Fear is not coming from Ego.. what is fear i meant... Not the fear to human or the outcome of an action... Fear (thaqwa) i mean to say the feeling with great sense that the one gave you life is constantly watching my behavior .. based on that only i will get my positive or negative reward.. that's fear....That fear only will prompt me to be good and shed ego... that really works within me.. got it dude...So i hope i don't need to reply your other comments based on fear..
The other type of fear what you claim is real fear... i mean.. if there is no Police in a society ... that tempt all the bad ones to do all what they want.. so good people will be trapped in the hands of bad ones... So fear will creep in if the good ones are innocent and helpless.. So having the police in society will curb that fear... and people have the confidence that they would give a hand when the bad ones attempt to do so... still bad ones also would not attempt since they are aware police and law of the society still prevails...That's different...
What a believer fear is not the same ... believer doesn't see the one who fear,, but still fear.. believer doesn't need police to control his own mind... he would control and not do any harm to anyone without any such system... Coz he knows the invisible One is tirelessly looking at him...He knows he got a journey after life...That makes the real fear...
Isn't it obvious? Non-existence.
And it's not a 'promise' it's an automatic consequences..There you are... Non-existence.. that is to simply in Buddhism (Nirwana) i hope... Nothing is automatic... This non existence dialogue is not a new thing in my day to day conversation... Everyday after leaving my job in law, in my new office during lunch time getting posed by others.. i keep replying..They say their aim of life to finish the life span and become nothing (nirwana) non-existence... But they never give up the desires of this world's life.. The desires are over powered... One day four friends challenging me... nonexistence is the way...and they work hard to do that... what i asked is... How many children all of you have.. all of them have more than two and less three kids..... So why they give life to others in the first place if their intention is to get Nirwana (non-existence)..Why children should suffer to get nirwarna.. why not stop giving birth to another life... that's best way to stop suffering... trust me with that question they never challenged me... but only asking about God... but they never change...they don't follow their system or not even interested in anyone's system... totally lost...
Further if one can get Nirwana(non-existence) himself, why he can't stop his own death...
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ego will never be satisfied...
Further, this is what our Lord orders and advises and warns with… So, your advice to shed ego is worthless, coz our Lord has peacefully instructed as under..
1737-38 “And do not walk upon the earth EXULTANTLY. Indeed, you will never tear the earth , and you will never reach the mountains in height. All that - its evil is ever, in the sight of your Lord, detested.”
3118-19 “And do not turn your cheek toward people and do not walk through the earth exultantly. Indeed, Allah does not like everyone self-deluded and boastful. And be moderate in your pace and lower your voice; indeed, the most disagreeable of sounds is the voice of donkeys.”
If we can become believer while practicing such as above, how come we can have ego… Is that what the fake God would ever advice?… if the above is fake, then bring a better verse/s than this from your God’s book.. btw what is the book of your God..
The result of living with Ego with full of evil bound and proud is….
4075 " ….. Thus does Allah put astray the disbelievers. That was because you (disbelievers) used to exult upon the earth without right and you used to behave insolently.”
So our Lord says that ego, evil nature all part and parcel of disbelievers and not Believers… So.. your claim is believers have ego is baseless.. No one can become believers if they don’t do according to verse 1737-38 & 3118-19 and follow complete quran with knowledge..
So.. sorry dude… don’t bring ego again emphasize as you only have figured out ego.. -
Peace All.
Re GOD s creations,one thing to me seems certain, GOD is just and fair with all of them.Take the humans for instance, whatever suffering they endure either here or elsewhere/other life..., is GOD responsible for any of it? Similarly if good fortune and good things come their way ,are they going to reject it like they would love to reject the bad things?
So who is responsible for who? Where does GOD come into all this?For sure , we cannot have it both ways or expect GOD to only provide good things for all of us and take away all the bad ones, can we?
I think this question is very important
Who is responsible for us?
GOD gives us His expectation of us and reminds us about our aim and our reliance or criticism of each other52″ Do not dismiss those who implore their Lord day and night, (Asking their creator to help them decide in this life!) devoting themselves to HIM ALONE.( They are not wasting your time!) You are not responsible for their reckoning, nor are they responsible for your reckoning.( It is their own time!) If you dismiss them, ( You are being unfair!) you will be a transgressor.”
( Freedom of choice! You are responsible only for you! ( Once you reach the age of responsibility?) The decision to believe or disbelieve is yours! You cannot blame anyone else? Check and prove all things, or follow others ,or do not bother to do anything? Will anyone else be accountable for you?)
657″ Say” I have solid proof from my Lord ( That this scripture is from GOD?) and you have rejected it. I do not control the retribution. ( That some challenge from GOD!) Judgement belongs to GOD. (ALONE!) HE tells the truth, and HE is the best Judge.”
659″ With HIM ( GOD the creator!) are the keys of all secrets. None knows them except HE. HE knows everything on land and in sea. Not a leaf falls without HIS knowledge, nor is there a grain in the depths of the soil, nor is there anything wet or dry that is not recorded in a profound record.”
661″ HE is supreme over HIS creatures, and HE appoints guards (Angels) to protect you. When the appointed time of death comes to any of you, Our messengers ( Angel of death) put him to death without delay.”
662″ Then everyone ( Every single human!) is returned to GOD. Their rightful Lord and Master. Absolutely, HE is the ultimate Judge. HE is the most accurate Reckoner,”
665″ Say” HE is certainly able to pour upon you retribution from above you or from beneath your feet; Or HE can divide you into factions( Tribes, Nations?) and have you taste each others tyranny. Note how We explain the revelations that they may understand.”
667″ Every prophecy in ( This scripture) here, will come to pass and you will surely find out.”
669″ The righteous( Submitters) are not responsible for those who reject, ( Total submission and loyalty to GOD?) but it may help to remind them;( About the greatness and power of GOD!) Perhaps they may be saved.”
6102″ Such is GOD your Lord, ( HE wants total submission from all HIS creatures, to HIM ALONE!) there is no god except HE ( HE has no partners, no wife/girlfriend, no son, no daughter etc…HE is Unique, everything else is HIS creation!) the Creator of all things. You shall observe/ follow) HIM ALONE. ( Do not rely on anyone else) HE is in control of all things.” ( Yesterday, today , tomorrow and forever!)
6103″ No vision can encompass HIM ( HE is not going to show Himself in this life while this life is a test for submission and loyalty! We cannot imagine ( HIS look, gender etc….) as our imagination is limited to this physical life! But we will certainly see HIM on the day of judgement. ) but HE encompasses all visions. ( HE can see all of us, nothing is hidden from HIM!) HE is the Compassionate, ( Ready to help and forgive those who sincerely seek HIM!) THE Cognizant.”
6110″ We control their minds and their hearts, thus since their decision is to disbelieve ,( Remember we are in full control of ourselves, we make our own decision, you are responsible for only you!) We leave them in their transgression blundering.”
6134″ What is promised to you ( by GOD) will surely come to pass, and you can never evade it.”
6135″ Say” O my people ( All you humans!) do your best ( in this life) and so will I. ( We all find out we can never manage without GOD s help) You will surely find out who the ultimate victors are. ( Those who totally submit!) The wicked will never succeed.”
7100″ Does it ever occur to those who inherit the earth after previous generations ( Including you this generation!) that if We will, We can punish them for their sins and seal their hearts; Causing them to be deaf?” ( To GOD s message!)
7102″ ( Past generations) We found most of them disregard their covenant; We found most of them wicked.”
( What covenant?)
7172″ Recall ( There is a barrier between this life and “other life” hence the reminder!) that your Lord summoned all the descendants of Adam ( Humans, prior to this life and creation of this universe) and had them bear witness for themselves ( Yes each and every individual!)” am I not your Lord?” ( One ruler, One authority, One system so that we do not divide ourselves into factions/tribes…) They all said” Yes we bear witness” ( We will remember this covenant on the day of judgement?) thus you cannot say on the day of Resurrection” We were not aware of this.”
( We are responsible and accountable! this life is a test of loyalty to GOD our creator?)
7173″ Nor can you say” It was our parents who practised idolatry ( Were loyal to others!) and we simply followed in their footsteps; Will you punish us for what others have innovated?”
( Only oursevesf to blame?)
7174″ We thus explain the revelations ( To remind the humans!) to enable the people to redeem themselves.”
We have the choice, accept or do not accept this aim and purpose of our life.? I suppose on a similar way other creations have also got similar choices?
GOD bless you all.
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Take the humans for instance, whatever suffering they endure either here or elsewhere/other life..., is GOD responsible for any of it? Similarly if good fortune and good things come their way ,are they going to reject it like they would love to reject the bad things?
So who is responsible for who? Where does GOD come into all this?A jewish dude once offered this advice
Do not judge, or you will be judged. For with the same judgment you use, you will also be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.- Matt 72
When you're judging, your own judgement cannot escape from you, it will be mirrored back to you.
And when you're not judging and accept everything as it is, the acceptance will also be mirrored back to you.Thus you can recognize it and will choose which option suits you.
And when we're adopting the non judgmental option, we can say that there is no good and bad option, it just an option yet it will be mirrored back thus it can be recognized.What goes around comes around..
For sure , we cannot have it both ways or expect GOD to only provide good things for all of us and take away all the bad ones, can we?
Good and bad is the result of perception.
Any event is both good and bad as it's actually neutral.Who is responsible for us?
We are...
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Peace All.
Talking about humans(Children of Adam), they are reminded of loyalty to GOD Alone , in the verses below, yet they still claim other gods and insist that it is fine to have other gods/idols.
Brother jafar,,brothers and sisters, I find the verses simple and powerful for those that listen and take heedO Children of Adam?
353″ O people, ( all the world out there!) remember GOD s blessing upon you. Is there any creator other than GOD who provides for you from the heavens and the earth? There is no other god beside HIM, how could you deviate. ( take on other gods/ idols!)
O Children of Adam?
355″ O people, GOD s promise is the truth. Therefore do not be distracted by this lowly life. Do not be diverted from GOD by mere illusions.”
O Children of Adam?
358″ Note the one whose evil works are adorned in his eyes, until he thinks that he is righteous
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O Children of Adam?3515″ O people, you are the ones who need GOD; While GOD is in no need of anyone, the Most Praiseworthy.”
O Children of Adam?
3516,17″ If HE wills, HE can get rid of you and substitute a new creation.”
” This is not too difficult for GOD.”O Children of Adam? Stay loyal to your Lord- NO other gods/Idols!?
3514″ If you call on them, ( your gods/ idols!) they cannot hear you. Even if they hear you, they cannot respond to your call. On the day of Resurrection, they will disown you.”
O Children of Adam?
3538″ GOD is the knower of the future of the heavens and the earth. He is also the knower of your innermost thoughts.”
O Children of Adam?
3539″ He is the one who made you inheritors of the earth. Subsequently, whoever chooses to disbelieve does so to his own detriment. The disbelief of the disbeliever only augments their Lord s abhorrence towards them. The disbelief of the disbeliever plunges them deeper into loss.”
O Children of Adam?3540″ Say” Consider the gods/ idols ( Any creation you are loyal to!) you have set up beside GOD; Show me what on earth have they created?” Do they own any partnership in the heavens? Have We given them a book where in it there is no doubt? Indeed what the transgressors promise one another ( all them false religions!) is no more than an illusion.”
O Children of Adam?
3541″ GOD is the one who holds the heaven and the earth lest they vanish. If anyone else is to hold them, they will certainly vanish! HE is Clement, Forgiving.”
O Children of Adam?3545″ If GOD punished the people for their sins, HE would not leave a single creature on earth. But HE respites them for a predetermined interim. Once their interim is fulfilled, then GOD is seer of HIS servants.”
O Children of Adam?3646″ No matter what kind of proof is given to them from their Lord, they consistently disregard it.”
O Children of Adam? You will meet your LORD?
3648″ They also challenge” When will, ( this day of Resurrection) that is promised, come to pass, if you are truthful.”
O Children of Adam?
3649″ All they see, will be one blow that overwhelms them, while they dispute.”
O Children of Adam?
3650″ They will not even have time to make a will, nor will they be able to return home.”
O Children of Adam?
3651″ The horn will be blown whereupon they will rise from the earth and go to their Lord.”
O Children of Adam?
3652″ ( the dead generations)They will say” Woe to us, who Resurrected us from our death? This is what the most gracious ( our Lord) has promised, the messengers were right.” “
O Children of Adam?
3653″ All it takes is one blow,whereupon they are summoned before Us.”
O Children of Adam?
3660″ Did I not covenant with you O children of Adam… That you shall observe/follow-me ALONE? ( Submit and stay loyal to GOD) This is the right path.”
O Children of Adam?3677″ Does the human being not see that We created him from a tiny drop, then he turns into an ardent enemy?”
O Children of Adam?
3682″ All HE (GOD) needs to do to carry out any command is to say”Be” and it is.”
O Children of Adam?
3683″ Glory be to the one in whose hand is the sovereignty of all things, and to HIM you will be returned.”
O Children of Adam?
3827″ We did not create the heavens and the earth and everything between them in vain. Such is the thinking of those who disbelieve.”
O Children of Adam?
3828″ Shall We treat those who believe ( Submit and stay loyal to GOD) and lead a righteous life as We treat those who commit evil on earth? Shall We treat the righteous as We treat the wicked?”
O Children of Adam?
3829″ This is a scripture that We sent down to you- That is sacred- Perhaps they reflect on its verses. Those who possess intelligence will take heed.”
O Children of Adam?3865″ Say” I warn you, there is no other god beside GOD. The ONE, the SUPREME.”
( Do we humans still want other gods/ idols?)
GOD bless you all.
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Not me brother Imran,, I have limited knowledge.Somebody somewhere knows a lot about GOD!
What value does it have to believed/faith by someone/somewhere?
How do you know someone/somewhere is telling true or false?Suppose i believe earth is FLAT? What value does it have? Dnt u want TO know the TRUTH of matter? Since my book is saying earth is flat my book cant b wrong? Big LOL.
Suppose i believe chapter 9 verses 128-129 IS NOT a part of an old book what VALUE does it have? Lol.
Suppose u were born in earliest of early civilisation and u happened to believe in all sort of those greek gods what value does it have?
Suppose u r a vedic hindu and still believes in multiple millions gods? What value does it have?
Suppose someone/somewhere believes hes God or Son of God what value does it have?
SO SIRS believe got no value when you are dealing with TRUTH.
You can believe it but you cant KNOW it. All what u are saying/posting/refferring is a belief not KNOWING.
Who is responsible for us?
Well i m not sure perhaps i can remind you of some verses by which u can see who is responsible..
Its Allah who makes YOU laugh and cry.
Its Allah who guide whom he wills and misguides whom he wills.
Its Allah who is responsible for richness and poverty.
Its Allah who creates all evil and good.More important ONE
When some good befalls them they said its from us and when something bad happen they said its from you whats wrong with those people, tell them everything is from Allah.Now its another matter who wants to believe on it and who want to incquire about it and want to know TRUTH about it?
Next question is HOW to find it?
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Talking about humans(Children of Adam), they are reminded of loyalty to GOD Alone
All creatures are serving the one infinite creator and always.
There's no disloyalty.. it doesn't exist.. as there isn't any other creator in the first place, to whom they change their loyalty to??Although how they serve might be different.
The path of "egocentricity" is a very hard path; fear, distress, sadness, anger, hatred, pride, denial, dis attachment, rejection, despair, revenge.
That's why it's the path of illusion.
But the creatures who took such path are also serving the one infinite creator.Through them, the contrast can be seen, and peace, acceptance, love, humility, forgiveness, compassion, understanding can also be recognized. Such path is the natural path, it's easy, it's pleasing. And at one point in time even those who took the path of illusion shall return to the natural path.
As everything emanate from the one infinite source, or in metaphoric term; children of the one infinite source thus everything shall also return and unified to the one infinite source. How do you know it's the true one infinite source? You will know, because it's pleasing, true and natural / effortless.
Which one felt more natural and pleasing? Spreading fear, hatred and threat? or spreading Peace, Love and Understanding?
Some might choose fear, and enjoy the sensation of being feared, superiority over others and in control.
Yet such sensation is temporary and it will be forced to continuously maintain the fear in order to maintain superiority and control. It takes a lot of effort, a lot suffering as the fear will be mirrored back to fear spreader itself. It will also have fear of losing control and not being feared anymore. Which at one point it will, it will lose control and not being feared anymore, such moment is the moment of enlightenment for those who took the egocentricity path.Even the perception that it is not serving the one infinite creator or having a control is also merely an illusion. As even though it took the 'hard' path, the egocentricity path, it also actually serving the one infinite creator and the one infinite creator always have control over everything. The egocentric being just refused to admit it, as thus it's living within an illusion.
As for the humble, acknowledging that the one infinite creator is actually the one who control and does everything shall felt no sensation of pride. As what is there to be proud of? As it's merely playing the role as designated and designed by the one infinite creator.
Peace
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Peace Imran.
You say quote
You can believe it but you cant KNOW it. All what u are saying/posting/refferring is a belief not KNOWING.You are talking about your perception of people. Mine is different,
For example, in my opinion, some people can know what others take as beliefs through other senses like feelings, , inspiration, manifestations/communication with other beings....etc.
One may think they cannot possibly know, they just believe,but they come up with things that are abnormal/impossible under normal ways.. Take some prophets like Moses....Or was that just fairy tales?For me, I know GOD exist. I am certain. I do not expect others to know ,nor care if they think I do not really know, it is only a belief.
It is my personal experience and I am satisfied and confident that it is a true fact, regardless of others.As for the following, quote
Its Allah who makes YOU laugh and cry.
Its Allah who guide whom he wills and misguides whom he wills.
Its Allah who is responsible for richness and poverty.
Its Allah who creates all evil and good.More important ONE
When some good befalls them they said its from us and when something bad happen they said its from you whats wrong with those people, tell them everything is from Allah.These all have got a reason,that you probably missed when taking verses out of context
1- It depends on the initial choice/decision of the individual first and foremost.
2- The knowledge that GOD has about the true conviction ,of the individual and their intentions.GOD does not force or change the decision of the individual until they change it themselves.
GOD may be in control over everything but the individual is in control of his/her own destinyGOD bless you.
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Not me brother Imran,, I have limited knowledge.Somebody somewhere knows a lot about GOD!
For me, I know GOD exist. I am certain.
Your statements are not matching lovely GL. Lol
GOD does not force or change the decision of the individual until they change it themselves.
Not true,
Its mean if GOD want to stop someone/something he got no control over creation.
GOD may be in control over everything but the individual is in control of his/her own destiny
Not true again.
Does everything is not = destiny?
The image of God what u have showing lack of control.
Lets talk about some in depth experience me and u already had about our destiny..?
Did we decided our destiny to BORN with what we have?
Our body features?
Our religion?
Our family?
Our conditions?
Our choices what we wanted?
Even our birth and death?U can replace that word All controlling God to limited control GOD.
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Peace Imran..
You have these choices according to how I understand my GOD
1-Align yourself with Him.
2-Be an opponent to Him.(This include the in between,/who doubt/ not having one firm decision)I leave you with this comment
“God decrees whatever he wishes to decree . He controls whatever he chooses to control. He is never caught off guard or at a loss of options. He anticipates and ingeniously outmaneuvers his opponents.
Hence, all who align themselves with him can have total confidence that he will ultimately achieve his objectives and keeps His promises for all creation.”Disagree if you want, GOD gives you choices as well.
I have nothing to add anymore than what has been said
Thank you once more for youe conversation.
GOD bless you.
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Oh and because I care about my dear brother Imran,even if you do not believe there is freedom of choice,( This will actually work especially for those who do not believe we have choices and make decisions), I advise you to make it your business to align yourself with GOD Alone in this life. This is the only business that succeeds in both this life and the hereafter.
And if one does not believe in accountability in the hereafter, they will have nothing to loose.
GOD bless you.
Peace.