Poet Rumi and Islam?

Asifzaheer

Salaam Alaikum
Plz some one shed some light on Rumi's role in spreading Islam. Was his poems inline with Quran like Allama Iqbal.
Thnx n wasalaam

Cerberus

for some people there is no such thing as"inline with Quran" simply because they might take quran as a starting point and then sky is the limit.

If you check out the work of folks like Ibn Arabi, those are concept developed by means of philosophy. Same goes for Rumi and the likes.

Jafar

for some people there is no such thing as"inline with Quran" simply because they might take quran as a starting point and then sky is the limit.

If you check out the work of folks like Ibn Arabi, those are concept developed by means of philosophy. Same goes for Rumi and the likes.

I tend to agree with this.

One of Rumi's poem that resonate well with my experience is

I died to the mineral state and became a plant; I died to the
vegetable state and reached animality;
I died to the animal state and became a man; then what should I
fear? -- I have never become less from dying.
At the next charge (forward) I will die to human nature, so that I
may lift up (my) head and wings (and soar) among the angels.
And I must (also) jump from the river of (the state of) the angel
"Everything perishes except His Face."
Once again I will become sacrificed from (the state of) the
angel; I will become that which cannot come into the
imagination.
Then I will become non-existent; non-existence says to me
(in tones) like an organ"Truly, to Him is our return."

-- Mathnawi III 3901

He basically described the evolution journey of souls.
The "end state" is similar to what was described by Siddhartha, the state of "Nirvana", the blowing out by becoming 'nothing'. From 'nothing' back to 'nothing', which defined as 'having no border'/'separation'.

Later known for being associated with Jihad, and "Hadith explain The Quran". Not "Allah", or Ein as I argue is the correct latinization.

I don't think Rumi's thought can be associated with "Jihad" as in "Holy War Against Another Human" which was the common understanding of today or even during his time as Caliphates tried to beat each others. He tried to reorient "Jihad" (literally means struggle) inwards, towards "inwards struggle", the struggle against ego, pride, hatred which keeps one separated with the infinite. During his lifetime he might witnessed the hatred and rivalries between the Caliphates and also the massacre of Baghdad by the Mongolian empire, those events might affects his world view.

Rumis work probably is a about the regression Tengri, who symbolically states "he is all".

If the word "Tengri" is defined as 'infinite' then definitely it will not be mistaken with something else, as there can only be one infinite. Yet people across the globe named 'the infinite' with many different names.

Jafar

Hmm, that was a defense of Rumi, like many do. hmm

I don't think Rumi need a defense. So no I don't defend Rumi as I never met him.
Yet some of his writings are in resonate with mine.

But no, unfortuantely extremists often like Rumi, such as IS leader, who was also a pantheist, and Khomeini, also wrote poems and was inspired by Rumi, was also a hard "hadithist", and Iran now recently stopped a film festival, because there was no veil on the woman on the poster.

Rumi lived around 12th century CE, the most appropriate figure of 'extremist' during his time are the caliphates (Abassid, Fatimid, Seljuks, Khwarazm) who

Hate and bickered each others
Waged war against each others
Tried to enslave each others.
Claimed to be the one and truest caliphate.

3 of those caliphates then fell to the 'most brutal extremists' coming from the east, (Mongol Empire).
Little Rumi and his parent escaped the Mongol Empire brutality by first migrating from Khwarazm Empire to Abassid, and then since Abbasid was also massacred by the Mongol, migrated again to the Seljuks territory.

Jafar

Mongols? I think they followed Tengri too.

Not all "Mongolian" of course, we do not want to fall into the trap of "stereo typing" aren't we?

I'm referring specifically to "13th century Mongolian Empire", which was founded by Temujin / Genghis Khan.
Within the same era; the mentioned caliphates worshipped "Allah" yet they war, hate and bickered against each others.
Their brutality is pretty much at the same level as Temujin's Mongolian Empire.

And such is the situation wherein Rumi was born into.