New article: salat timings as per The Quran
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Peace Wakas.
You say ,quote
I agree that in 5039 it could mean "before the setting / passing away / departing / retiring / removing /disappearing / remoteness (of the sun)." and the superficial understanding how you take it i.e. "sunset" (sun below horizon) is one possibility.
BUT as has been shown previously this word doesn't pinpoint at what exact point of this process it is referring toExplain how it could mean any other point than the ending of the setting? i.e sunset.
I have explained this and it makes a lot of sense ,
A deadline of before Al Ghurub pin points the exact time, End of daytime and beginning of night. i.e sunset Just like "
"before tului Al Shams" pinpoints at exactly the end of nightime and beginning of daytime. i.e sunrise.
The only logical explanation.As for this, quote
The reason I wrote "setting of the sun / sunset" in the article
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/salat-timings-Quran.html
Is because I take "setting of the sun" to mean when the sun disc touches down on the horizon (i.e. rubs/press it, i.e. duluk) and "sunset" as when the sun is below the horizon. It just so happens "duluk al shams" could mean both. Unlike you (and some others) I'm not going to make a baseless claim it can only mean one thing. Such a claim is utter nonsense and damages the credibility of anyone who claims such a thing.With no evidence from Qoran, it remains your claim. And baseless at that just like you call the claims of others.. And your credibility remains intact? Not logical.
Brother. You claimed your work was without errors, now feww posts down the line you are adding these, quote"In any case I have updated the article and added the words in red to help clarify for you and others"
"But I am partly to blame as I never clarified it DIRECTLY in my article and simply linked to an article which explained it further. I should have known some people wouldn't bother reading up on it before attempting to criticise. I may have to include that info directly at some point."
"In any case, my point regarding evidence still stands, if you take 1778 as do salat at A (i.e. noon in your view) then it would be nice to have some examples from Quran. The best examples would be other verses with a command X li A ila B, but there may be no other examples, I haven't researched it as it's a difficult thing to research.".
I am afraid that your article is your view, you may insist these are not really errors and argue around them, but the bottom line is that a sound argument with no errors does not require any tweeks or change.
For me, you are entitled to claim and stick with your claim, but can you see my point?
I explained "duluk" poin is a declinet, if a decline of the sun starts at Noon, just before sunset and sunset are points way after noon. And l to me you have not provided evidence from Qoran that your timing is the right point of decline or that it means any of them?
Remember you have not researched this point?So it is understandable I see the two points of "sun setting and time frame as errors.. My aim in answering you is to make this point.
GOD bless you.
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Peace everyone ...
Concerns may be oozing to certain people.. what exactly Quran orders to pray and at what times... Why it is so hard and why so many contradictory convictions within those who accepts Quran alone for guidance..
But God with manifest verse stated, those are the successful who guard the Salat and they are believers.. 231-10
So, if we are to adhere to what Waqas claim either we are skipping one salat or doing extra salat/s... Whatever we do we go against God's instructions unless we opted the right guidance... Definitely it is not optional.. Isn't it?
The reason is.. God insist as an order to Guard the Salawat (prayers) 2238 meanwhile God claim those who guard salawat are believers and the successful ones 231-10..
Isn't there a serious issue creeping in then?.
Dear brothers and sisters.. Can we say to God ...
*** We were not aware what is written in Quran so we prayed 5 times...
*** We thought it is mentioned three times.. So we did continue..
*** W heard from people like waqas that it is 2 times so we skipped day prayer...I just furnished possible statements that people may utter on the day of ressurection if we chose the wrong option...
So, people go for the best option and the best explanation within Quran and follow what God guides you with..
If everything is right, then there is no need for God to provide fixed timing for Salat and reiterate to guard them..
4103 "... ..... Verily, the PRAYER(singular) is enjoined on the believers at fixed hours" ...
Does it mean only one salat per day? Not at all..Ultimately, nothing is argued or bought into table comprehensively by the author of the article...
So, I do remain with my understanding and continue to perform three times...
May Allah guide us all which takes us to Janna..That's all I have to say on this topic... Had there been any reasonable logic in the debate, surely I would have paid attention to it.. But there is nothing...
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Salam Everyone,
i think this video explaination by Brother Joseph Yaseen of Quran Centric will best explain this issue.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKoYRWrsBiQ
Thank you.
Salam
Peace..
That's not true dude... That's far from Quran... Quran is more than sufficient for me...
You can follow, if you are satisfied with it and be responsible for what you do..
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Peace everyone ...
Concerns may be oozing to certain people.. what exactly Quran orders to pray and at what times... Why it is so hard and why so many contradictory convictions within those who accepts Quran alone for guidance..
But God with manifest verse stated, those are the successful who guard the Salat and they are believers.. 231-10
So, if we are to adhere to what Waqas claim either we are skipping one salat or doing extra salat/s... Whatever we do we go against God's instructions unless we opted the right guidance... Definitely it is not optional.. Isn't it?
The reason is.. God insist as an order to Guard the Salawat (prayers) 2238 meanwhile God claim those who guard salawat are believers and the successful ones 231-10..
Isn't there a serious issue creeping in then?.
Dear brothers and sisters.. Can we say to God ...
*** We were not aware what is written in Quran so we prayed 5 times...
*** We thought it is mentioned three times.. So we did continue..
*** W heard from people like waqas that it is 2 times so we skipped day prayer...I just furnished possible statements that people may utter on the day of ressurection if we chose the wrong option...
So, people go for the best option and the best explanation within Quran and follow what God guides you with..
If everything is right, then there is no need for God to provide fixed timing for Salat and reiterate to guard them..
4103 "... ..... Verily, the PRAYER(singular) is enjoined on the believers at fixed hours" ...
Does it mean only one salat per day? Not at all..Ultimately, nothing is argued or bought into table comprehensively by the author of the article...
So, I do remain with my understanding and continue to perform three times...
May Allah guide us all which takes us to Janna..That's all I have to say on this topic... Had there been any reasonable logic in the debate, surely I would have paid attention to it.. But there is nothing...
Nothing more to say on this topic...So you think God will punish if we do less or more number of Salat ritual, so whats that ritual, how you do it, did God taught you how it should be done through the book Quran?
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Peace All.
This subject has been running on this forum and on multiple other forums for years.
I have read thousands of views ,most claiming they have an answer to
1- Salat according to Qoran, its timing, contents and objective.First let me make a clear statement to do with minimum salvation,as this is important for our priority
I see the deen as a state of mind. A mind that is in tune / in a relation with GOD the creator and respects all the creation. A mind that follows the Sirat Al Mustaqueen as defined in 6{151-153.}
"Inna Deen Inda Allah Al Islam" and "Ihdina Tariq Al Mustaqueem"
It is also a choice. "La Ikraha Fi Deen" .GOD does not force this deen on anyone.
Fa Man Chaa Fal Umin Wa Man Chaa Falyakfur?"Whoever want to believe...and whoever want to disbelieve."If one wants to become a Muslim ,then they should have no objection to following the best path instructed by GOD in Qoran, if they claim to follow Qoran/believe in it.
GOD does not expect people to pretend or to force themselves to do things they do not like or agree with. It is better if they were honest with themselves and only did things that make sense to them or things that they agree with.
That is better in the sight of GOD.
There is nothing wrong with having a private debate with GOD about all your doubts. GOD is listening.
If you want to take a journey with GOD .it is private and very personal between you and your creator.If you want to go it alone or rely on others that is also your freedom of choice.. But you are accountable for having the faculties(eyes ears and brain) GOD gave you to use. If one misuses them they have only themselves to blame.
For me it is a no brainer. I do not see a way out except back to GOD at the end.
So by choice and I am glad I realised this. I willingly decline my "Amana" other choice. I submit to the Lord of the universe and seek his friendship, light and guidance direct .
I do not see any problems with following the best path from Qoran s instruction. GOD has made his deen easy once the trial period of "making the decision" to enter into an agreement with the creator is over After all ,GOD will want to "try you" if you mean it or not!!!.
Of course my human instinct is fighting this surrender daily but I cannot go back on my covenant/agreement .In short we are free but people make a problem for themselves by conforming to things they doubt or do not make sense to them.
Your decision alone is required ,nobody else will bare your burden whether you rely on them or not.
GOD guides and teaches all the true believers.Coming back to "The Salat" , I have spent years investigating many views, especially those views from the specific "Qoran alone" brothers and sistyers. All asking " where can I find how and when to do "The Salat" from Qoran?. Yet after giving their views most fail to find the meaning and details of their claims using Qoran, which they were asking the exact thing in the first place.
The only exception that had a solid argument that was coherent and used all Qoran in context about "the salat" was this-according to my research-
https//submission.org/Where_can_we_find_Salah.htmlThe questions from everyone will keep coming about "The salat like
I wonder if someone has no limbs ,how they going to do it?.
I wonder if someone has an emergency to attend or forgets... , how are they going to do it?.
I wonder if someone is on the moon, how are they going to do it.?
I wonder if someone is at the north pole, how are they going to do it?
...etc.
All these have been taken care of in Qoran, if one is not capable or enable to be on earth or...Then they are excused. They do it in their head if they can or not at all. GOD is forgiver most merciful.The deen is not about rules and regulations ,it is about intentions , good morals and good work first and foremost.
The other helping items are there for the ones that can.. Each needs to follow GOD s instructions to the best of their abilities.
We cannot fool GOD or look for excuses. GOD is aware of each one of us . whether we are capable, where we are and whether we hear and obey him .
Or do you think we are left without GOD distinguishing our honesty and true intentions? Therefore you do what you can to the best of your knowledge!"The Salat" , sawm, Zakat, ...etc are a helping hand from GOD to grow our souls more for thiose who wish to come even closer to GOD.
Our views, can only look "without errors" to us, Each thinking that their " cleverness and logic of their Qoran study" has worked.
GOD s logic is not our logic, that is why GOD keeps sending messengers.
Is there more to come from Qoran?
I will say yes ,until GOD decides the end for all of us
If you want to do "the salat" search for your own version or carry on with what you have. You have the means to decide for yourself..
GOD bless you all.
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Ok, now I understand what you are saying about time frame. Here is a little tip, why not clarify and say something like this
Do you take "time frame" to mean- one continuous length of time, i.e. that whole period is the length of the timed-salat
or - a time period in which one can do the timed-salat, i.e. it does not have to be for the whole length of the time period.
See how easy that was?
I take it as (1) but as I said before, in my view, the Quran is giving an exemplar/model to follow.
In any case, my point regarding evidence still stands, if you take 1778 as do salat at A (i.e. noon in your view) then it would be nice to have some examples from Quran. The best examples would be other verses with a command X li A ila B, but there may be no other examples, I haven't researched it as it's a difficult thing to research.
Peace
I agree that the duration of one Salat is given in 1778 (From A to B(darkness of night))in addition to ratifying 11114 where the point of time when Salat is due (At A which is close to night) is given.
If we don't have a standard duration or time length of a Salat then how do we shorten it ?
4101 If you are mobilized in the land, then there is no harm that you shorten the contact prayer, if you fear that the ingrates will try you. The ingrates are to you a clear enemy.
- one continuous length of time, i.e. that whole period is the length of the timed-salat
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peace GL,
The reason I wrote "setting of the sun / sunset" in the article
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/salat-timings-Quran.html
Is because I take "setting of the sun" to mean when the sun disc touches down on the horizon (i.e. rubs/press it, i.e. duluk) and "sunset" as when the sun is below the horizon. It just so happens "duluk al shams" could mean both. Unlike you (and some others) I'm not going to make a baseless claim it can only mean one thing. Such a claim is utter nonsense and damages the credibility of anyone who claims such a thing.Peace Wakas
So do you mean the starting point of Salat is as soon as Sun touches the horizon if you mean "duluk al shams" as rubbing of sun?
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Note that twilight is considered part of the night as per Quran. To clarify this timed-salat begins at morning twilight and ends when any part of the sun first appears above the horizon
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To clarify this timed-salat begins at evening twilight and ends with dark night
Above 1 & 2 are your research for Salat Fajr and Isha respectively...
Subsequently First flaw is you have mentioned Sun in no. 1 and not at all mentioned sun in no 2 ... Twilights are three types of three periods depend on the visibility... .. So better include "any part of Sun disappears" identical to no.1 rather than state merely twilight... if one tenth of the sun disappeared no one can say that is Night or Day.. Can we?
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Note that twilight is considered part of the night as per Quran.
Above is your claim that QURAN say so....
If that is right then it should befit for every circumstance when we consider timing related activities... For example Fasting...When God ordered us to fast?
2187 explains it with one of the crystal clear manifest verses..
According to it.. When the white thread from/of Fajr appears stop eating and drinking (and all what is not allowed while fasting).. Note here the verse 2187 doesn't say when some part of physical sun appears then stop.. Clearly not the case.. And to end the fasting Ila Lail (not relevant for this topic, so I discard)...So according to Quran it only allows as I have many times stated in this forum having sex is only an act in the night of fasting and not during day... .thats indisputable.. 2187 ..
But unfortunately for waqas.. Night is untill any part of Sun apears.. That is to say Sunrise...
So my long felt question is does Allah allow having sex untill any part of Sun appears while fasting? while clearly saying sex is at night of fasting? So what is night? If we take until sun rise then prove me that I can't have sex until sunrise while fasting...Don't say this is not relevant to your topic salat timing... Of course relevant coz your claim of twilight as part of night as well twilight ends sunrise ...
Is Quran contradicts or your understanding or mine for that matter?
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- one continuous length of time, i.e. that whole period is the length of the timed-salat
or - a time period in which one can do the timed-salat, i.e. it does not have to be for the whole length of the time period.
See how easy that was?
I take it as (1) but as I said before, in my view, the Quran is giving an exemplar/model to follow
Above is your claim.. Salat is a constant time period.. For example from sunset to darkness of night... Or darkness to sunrise...
That's impossible..
For example if you do Salat darkness untill sunrise and complete Salat daily, then how would you praise the Lord before sunrise as it is ordered to praise Lord 20130 etc... If you are busy with Salat until sunrise how would you praise Lord other than Salat?
Also if you are busy from darkness to to sunrise in Salat constantly, then how would you recite quran at dawn...?
Coz that period is completely utilized for Salat - one continuous length of time, i.e. that whole period is the length of the timed-salat
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- one continuous length of time, i.e. that whole period is the length of the timed-salat
or - a time period in which one can do the timed-salat, i.e. it does not have to be for the whole length of the time period.
See how easy that was?
I take it as (1) but as I said before, in my view, the Quran is giving an exemplar/model to follow
Above is your claim.. Salat is a constant time period.. For example from sunset to darkness of night... Or darkness to sunrise...
That's impossible..
For example if you do Salat darkness untill sunrise and complete Salat daily, then how would you praise the Lord before sunrise as it is ordered to praise Lord 20130 etc... If you are busy with Salat until sunrise how would you praise Lord other than Salat?
Also if you are busy from darkness to to sunrise in Salat constantly, then how would you recite quran at dawn...?
Coz that period is completely utilized for SalatPeace Jkhan
I think we can praise and magnify God with or without salat. If you recite Quran in Salah there are many verses to praise,glorify,magnify God. For example chapter 1 which is usually recited starts with God's praise.
17110 Say, "Call on God or call on the Gracious. Whichever it is you call on, to Him are the best names." Do not be loud/public in your contact prayer, nor quiet/private; but seek a path in between.
17111 And say "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." And magnify Him greatly.
And we can praise god any time of the day even if we are not performing Salah.
2119 To Him is whoever is in the heavens and in the earth. Those who are near Him are not too proud to serve Him, nor do they complain.
2120 They glorify in the night and the day, they do not cease.5039 So be patient to what they are saying, and glorify the grace of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before the setting.
5040 From the night glorify Him, and after prostrating.5248 You shall be patient for the judgment of your Lord, for you are in Our sights, and glorify the praise of your Lord when you get up.
5249 Also during the night glorify Him, and at the setting of the stars. - one continuous length of time, i.e. that whole period is the length of the timed-salat
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Peace Jkhan
I think we can praise and magnify God with or without salat. If you recite Quran in Salah there are many verses to praise,glorify,magnify God. For example chapter 1 which is usually recited starts with God's praise.
17110 Say, "Call on God or call on the Gracious. Whichever it is you call on, to Him are the best names." Do not be loud/public in your contact prayer, nor quiet/private; but seek a path in between.
17111 And say "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." And magnify Him greatly.
And we can praise god any time of the day even if we are not performing Salah.
2119 To Him is whoever is in the heavens and in the earth. Those who are near Him are not too proud to serve Him, nor do they complain.
2120 They glorify in the night and the day, they do not cease.5039 So be patient to what they are saying, and glorify the grace of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before the setting.
5040 From the night glorify Him, and after prostrating.5248 You shall be patient for the judgment of your Lord, for you are in Our sights, and glorify the praise of your Lord when you get up.
5249 Also during the night glorify Him, and at the setting of the stars.You didn't get my point I presume ... We all know we can praise God other than Salat at any time or even the times which God specify....
But Salat time fixed and mandatory act and is not merely praising God...
My question was how to do Salat and irregular praising at the same time...
GID orders to praise His name before the rising of Sun... This is not Salat for sure..
Then how can we keep praying untill sunrise... We never be able to take before surmising as praising time of God.. But we do Salat that of course part of praising the Lord but not Salat...Can we consider 20130 to be salat then? If no then be constant in logic
Can fasting of Ramadan and fasting of haj or 60 days equal... Things are different
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peace s1111,
If we don't have a standard duration or time length of a Salat then how do we shorten it ?
I agree there is an expectation from the model/exemplar we have in The Quran but in my personal opinion we should bear in mind it may vary from individual to individual. For example, one could observe a very short salat in comparison to their usual duration (whatever that may be).
Practical example
usual salat 25-35mins
shortened salat 1-24minsIn other words, in my opinion, it depends on what the person/group usually does.
So do you mean the starting point of Salat is as soon as Sun touches the horizon if you mean "duluk al shams" as rubbing of sun?
(salat al isha)
Theoretically yes it could mean either, i.e. sun first touches the horizon or sunset (sun below horizon). So one could apply whichever as I find either understanding perfectly acceptable. As I have mentioned in my articles this understanding can compliment "salat al fajr", quote"If we consider one undertaking 'salat al-fajr' (the salat of/at dawn) then it is easy to realise one may crossover timewise into some point after sunrise, due to concentration/focus and/or finishing recitation/reading etc. In other words, going from "before the rising of the sun" (i.e. dawn) to after the sun's rising, i.e. "edges of the daytime" in this instance.
Thus, the "edges of the daytime" could be incorporated under the 'salat al-fajr' and 'salat al-3sha' periods, especially so if one wished to extend these periods in length." -
peace jkhan,
Firstly it is clear you have not read the article carefully as you seemed to have missed this point
Please note "quran al fajr (reading/recitation (of) the dawn)" occurs at the same time as "salat al fajr" and are taken as equivalent in my understanding, proving a simple explanation as to what timed-salat of the mumineen involves .
Further, it seems you have not read the following articles which are linked to from this salat timings article
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-SaBiH-from-Quran.html
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/slw.htmIn brief, "SaBiH" is a very wide concept and can encompass many things. Same goes for "THiKR".
As I have mentioned before my preference is not to answer questions that are already in the articles. In case you or anyone wonders why I didn't reply to them. If people don't wish to read them that's up to them.
Re 2187
It's simple. One begins abstinence at morning twilight, and then it's immediately time for salat al fajr (which lasts until the sun first appears above the horizon) so there is no time for sex in the scenario you mentioned. -
You didn't get my point I presume ... We all know we can praise God other than Salat at any time or even the times which God specify....
But Salat time fixed and mandatory act and is not merely praising God...
My question was how to do Salat and irregular praising at the same time...
GID orders to praise His name before the rising of Sun... This is not Salat for sure..
Then how can we keep praying untill sunrise... We never be able to take before surmising as praising time of God.. But we do Salat that of course part of praising the Lord but not Salat...Can we consider 20130 to be salat then? If no then be constant in logic
Can fasting of Ramadan and fasting of haj or 60 days equal... Things are different
Yes salat is not merely for praising god. But praising is a part of it as you can see from 17110-111
17110 Say "Call on God or call on the Almighty; by whichever you call on, to Him are the best names." And do not be too loud in making your contact prayer, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.
17111 And say "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." And magnify Him greatly.Similarly remembering God is a purpose of Salat
2014 "I am God, there is no god but Me, so serve Me and hold the contact prayer for My remembrance."
But that does not mean we don't remember God other time.
4103 So when you are done with the contact prayer, then remember God while standing, or sitting, or on your sides. When you are relieved, you shall hold the contact prayer; the contact prayer for those who acknowledge is a scheduled event
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peace jkhan,.
Re 2187
It's simple. One begins abstinence at morning twilight, and then it's immediately time for salat al fajr (which lasts until the sun first appears above the horizon) so there is no time for sex in the scenario you mentioned.You mean sex is allowed while fasting but coz of Salat Fajr no time for that...
That's super cool understanding .. Really amazed with your logic..Okay.. During fasting according to your understanding you have to break fast when the part of the sun dissapeared... Do you breakfast first or Salat when you see Sun set...
Or just drink water at the sight of sunset and continue to pray until all twilights are over that's almost 90 mints... So stay more 90 mints in hunger... Then eat and drink as usual... That's too much of asking...
Or like conventional people delay Salat by 20 mints during fasting.. That won't work according to what you claim of timing...How would one come to know that sun is risen while praying Fajr to stop or complete Salat...
So his or her concentration will be sunrising... It's hard to know minimum half an hour to know exactly whether sun is risen or not even on a clear day if you are inside.. Or else you should repeat daily same thing to guess we have spent this much time..
How one would know exactly the sun is set of portion is hidden before he or she start pray isha ...Aren't these too much of stress on believers? While God says He wants make things easy for us...
Lol.. Just with curiosity.. Do you really practice in this manner it you just found out it is the way...
@ s1111...
I am sorry.. You are not getting me... Salat has fixed time and waqas claim it is continuing from one point to another.. That's why I brought it... -
You mean sex is allowed while fasting but coz of Salat Fajr no time for that...
That's super cool understanding .. Really amazed with your logic..Okay.. During fasting according to your understanding you have to break fast when the part of the sun dissapeared... Do you breakfast first or Salat when you see Sun set...
Or just drink water at the sight of sunset and continue to pray until all twilights are over that's almost 90 mints... So stay more 90 mints in hunger... Then eat and drink as usual... That's too much of asking...
Or like conventional people delay Salat by 20 mints during fasting.. That won't work according to what you claim of timing...How would one come to know that sun is risen while praying Fajr to stop or complete Salat...
So his or her concentration will be sunrising... It's hard to know minimum half an hour to know exactly whether sun is risen or not even on a clear day if you are inside.. Or else you should repeat daily same thing to guess we have spent this much time..
How one would know exactly the sun is set of portion is hidden before he or she start pray isha ...Aren't these too much of stress on believers? While God says He wants make things easy for us...
Lol.. Just with curiosity.. Do you really practice in this manner it you just found out it is the way...
@ s1111...
I am sorry.. You are not getting me... Salat has fixed time and waqas claim it is continuing from one point to another.. That's why I brought it...Peace..
Salat is never equal to anytime remembering and praising God.. otherwise God doesn't need to say leave business and Hasten for salat...we can do business and remember God and praise God... Can't we?
Why God call Salat is time fixed and giving it's timing in verse 11114 and 1778...After all by salat and normal remembering all Zikr of Allah...
Doing something at the time what God ordered has a huge difference rather than doing at our convenience.... It's commitment and shear obedience..Salat, saabih, and mere zikr all different... For Salat God says to be clean and not for Saabih and mere zikr... Never told not to near but for Salat...
** For Salat God has given Timing only three as per my thorough understanding...
** For saabih God has given certain timing.. Many a specified time... Example 20130, 5039-40, 5248-49 etc..but not kithab mawkuth...
** For mere Zikr of Allah no timing, any time of our choice....
God says those are the believers who establish Salat and end up as successful and in Janna. 231-10.. One example..
So given timing shouldn't collide with Salat and saabih since both Salat and saabih not same... . But it really collides according what waqas explained.
If one says above ** points are same... I doubt he or she understood Quran ...
Even malaika do saabih and not Salat... No evidence....Ponder if 1778 is Isha salat... God could have explained in 1778 the timing of Fajr as well in the following manner... Establish Salat Duluki shams (sun set) to Ghashak Lail (darkness of night) and from white thread of Fajr to sunrise... But God was not interested in any such explanation.. But only explained One salat... For waqas that is Isha of his choice but for me it is middle salat... But remember God didn't skip Fajr Salat in 11114 ...explained both Salat in one verse.. But strangely again explained in 1778... That's far-fetching... Beyond reality... Ask everyone to Self why God explained additionally isha Salat if 1778 is isha while we can clearly Know Salat isha time by verse 11114..
God says when you rise up, sabih the name of your Lord.. Is it salah though it has a time. .No ...
With all above I deduce salat has three fixed timing... Hope anyone would ponder on my understanding and compare with Quran
