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Do you think multiverses exist according to the Qur'an

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    Sarah
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    Peace

    I watch this TV family adventure/ fantasy show and here are some quotes

    'Jefferson
    Stories. Stories? What's a story? When you were in high school did you learn about the Civil War?

    Emma
    Yeah, of course.

    Jefferson
    How? Did you read about it, perchance in a book? How is that any different, any less real than any other book?

    Emma
    History books are based on history.

    Jefferson
    And storybooks are based on what? Imagination. Where does that come from? It has to come from somewhere. You know what the issue is with this world? Everyone wants some magical solution for their problem and everyone refuses to believe in magic. Now get it to work.

    Emma
    Here's the thing, Jefferson this is it. This is the real world.

    Jefferson
    A real world. How arrogant are you to think yours is the only one? There are infinite more. You have to open your mind. They touch one another, pressing up in a long line of lands, each just as real as the last. All have their own rules; some have magic, some don't, and some need magic.'

    When I watched this episode I couldn't help but think what if he's right lol. What if there are many universes, multiverses etc. where not even the laws of physics are the same? What if in heaven people could have flying palaces on a cloud? Do you think this is possible, I mean Quranically?

    We already have the dream world where we fly and do all sorts of 'impossible' things. That exists on some level because our souls travel to the place Quranically speaking. If you say it's all in the mind well there is a theory that our physical reality is holographic and not actually matter/ solid and that everything we see, touch and feel is projected by our 'minds'.

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      Neptin
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      No.

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        Wakas
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        In terms of what Quran says I'm unaware of any reference to a multiverse explicitly.

        One of the most important things to understand about the multiverse idea is WHY does such an option/idea exist in the first place. Well, one of the reasons is that most scientists admit that the chances of this universe occurring by chance (i.e. it being just perfect for life) is almost zero. This is because they admit that the various laws of nature/physics could have been anything so the chances of them all being just perfect for life is almost zero.
        So how do they get around this problem? Simple, they invented the idea of the multiverse, which is not testable/falsifiable in any way. In other words, it is a belief dressed up in scientific language.

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          good_logic
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          Also everything we say about it is "made up" .All will be assumptions since there is no proof-reality that it exist-
          So the best we can say about "Multiverses" is that it is a fiction for now.

          Qoran has talked about the "unseen world/s", so if we take Qoran as a fact, it says there is a GOD and Angels and...so forth in another world and in ours (invisible to us).

          Now here is a fact We can only see,feel our world-This universe- we are confined to its laws of physics and existance. Even though we cannot comprehend or reach places in its "huge2 size.
          I would say there are enough things to still investigate about our universe.
          Who knows in the future though!
          GOD bless.
          Peace.

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            imrankhawaja
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            It depends how people interpret the things. i think YES according to it the very first verse is saying the lord of all (ALAMEEN) = WORLDS= WHATEVER EXISTS IN PLURAL.

            Let say alam = universe, hence Alameen = universes.

            The concept of universe evolved through time before that milkyway considered as the whole universe then edwin hubble find out there are billions of galaxies like our milkyway.

            Now even at this age of advancement scientists only know what is observeable UNIVERSE means the light travelled from there to reach earth its doesent mean the observeable universe is the edge perhaps one day people find out observeavle universe is also a grain of sand in cosmos.

            The death of one thing is the beginning of other thing. Death of a star, supernova, blackholes, then after death of massive stars our own solar system come into being so that bigbang thing may also a routine process of creating universes and who know how many bangs were before the time and will happen after the time.

            Sometimes we see the same physical laws what we apply in daily routine dont work at other places like the gravitational pull of black holes. And in quantam particles theory atom dnt behave the similar way thats why einstein had difficulty to grasp the concept of quantam mechanics.

            Universe/s way more conplicated then we can even imagine. Engineering on a spectacular level.

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              Wakas
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              Re AAlameena
              https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596520.msg51053#msg51053

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                Jafar
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                We already have the dream world where we fly and do all sorts of 'impossible' things.

                Congratulations bravo
                Can you share your story on this?

                If you say it's all in the mind well there is a theory that our physical reality is holographic and not actually matter/ solid and that everything we see, touch and feel is projected by our 'minds'.

                Again congratulations.. yay
                You are nearer and nearer to an enlightenment.

                Through 'scientific method' and math formula wrangling derived from Quantum equation, added with discovery of Black Hole, which proves that not only matters or light but even time and space can 'disappear from this universe', physicist now starting to discover the possibility of holographic universe.

                Holographic Universe Explained
                https//youtu.be/klpDHn8viX8

                Initially proposed by Leonard Susskind, a professor in Stamford.

                Leonard Susskind lecture The World As Hologram
                https//youtu.be/2DIl3Hfh9tY

                This is actually a "re-discovery", as ancient sages nearly 4000 years ago has stated that this world is a "Maya" (an illusion)
                MAYA - THE WORLD AS AN ILLUSION
                https//youtu.be/98FaTxgVic4

                Oddly enough, that's how Jesus call his God, in Aramaic it's Abwon D'bash MAYA.
                The Meaning of "Abwoon d'bashmaya"
                https//youtu.be/XkbllUt30zA.

                And you will find similar theme in Buddhism and Taoism as well.

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                  Aclon
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                  Depends on how you define time and space itself. in the beginning the earth and heaven are one part of things, assuming the earth was the part of all matter that scatters in the universe and the heaven was hidden away from it, it could make sense that there's a world in other part of our universe we don't know yet. or another force beyond our imagination but only gods know about it. but it's all just assumption and therefore are not worth thinking other than as a fuel for other to find the truth about our universe. just think about the possibility and secret god trying to impress us hail

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                    reel
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                    In terms of what Quran says I'm unaware of any reference to a multiverse explicitly.

                    One of the most important things to understand about the multiverse idea is WHY does such an option/idea exist in the first place. Well, one of the reasons is that most scientists admit that the chances of this universe occurring by chance (i.e. it being just perfect for life) is almost zero. This is because they admit that the various laws of nature/physics could have been anything so the chances of them all being just perfect for life is almost zero.
                    So how do they get around this problem? Simple, they invented the idea of the multiverse, which is not testable/falsifiable in any way. In other words, it is a belief dressed up in scientific language.

                    Doesn't God call himself lord of the worlds in Quran?

                    Multiverse is testable, but it will raise the status of religions over science and plus will help people take control of their lives. Scientists don't want that to happen.

                    Through experiment, I found one chapter from Quran that triggers the entry. Buddhists, Hindus and Sufis have their own techniques. Easy if you know astral projection or lucid dreaming.

                    Through 'scientific method' and math formula wrangling derived from Quantum equation, added with discovery of Black Hole, which proves that not only matters or light but even time and space can 'disappear from this universe', physicist now starting to discover the possibility of holographic universe.

                    There seems to be no diff between eyes and black hole.

                    Black hole is able to interact with the while hole. The question is how to make the eyes work with the white light.

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                      The_Sardar
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                      Multiverse is testable, but it will raise the status of religions over science and plus will help people take control of their lives. Scientists don't want that to happen.

                      Salam/Peace dear sister. Why would those scientists do not want that to happen? I am guessing it involves enforcing materialism/naturalism?

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                        Jafar
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                        Multiverse is testable, but it will raise the status of religions over science and plus will help people take control of their lives. Scientists don't want that to happen.

                        I really don't think there is any of such intention coming from 'scientist'.
                        Usually what happened is the 'religious' which are disturbed because what being found by the 'scientist' is not inline with their religious dogma and/or holy book.

                        Buddhists, Hindus and Sufis have their own techniques. Easy if you know astral projection or lucid dreaming.

                        The common techniques between them are called 'meditation', which might trigger among other astral projection.

                        It's also the same way on how Lao Tse received his 'revelation', by looking inside himself

                        Since before time and space were, the Tao is.
                        It is beyond is and is not.
                        How do I know this is true?
                        I look inside myself and see.
                        -- Tao The Ching

                        And it seems so does Jesus..

                        “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’
                        For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you”
                        -- Luke 7

                        And if the story was true about Muhammad pondering inside a cave.

                        You are supposed to 'walk the path' as Lao Tse, Jesus, Muhammad, Siddharta and millions of others.
                        Thus experience your own revelation.
                        And not merely becoming a 'follower' with blind faith.

                        Black hole is able to interact with the while hole. The question is how to make the eyes work with the white light.

                        As of now the opposite of 'black hole' remain only in theory..

                        Black hole is basically a phenomenon of 'NOTHINGNESS'. Scientists calls it "Singularity".
                        Buddhist, Yogis and Hindus calls it "Sunyata", sanskrit word which means Voidness.
                        Taois calls it "Wu" which means the same thing.

                        If everything was created out of NOTHING, then one will realize how powerful NOTHINGNESS is.

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          Re AAlameena
                          https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596520.msg51053#msg51053

                          That word aalameen in singular form= aalaam and urdu borrwed that word from arabic.

                          Example one word used as AALAM - E- BURZUKH = ( world of spirits/rooh).

                          But language can be tricky sometimes depend on usuage lets say the word used in quran for sky = heavens = asamawat.

                          Its also in plural terms let say heaven = one sky hence heavens = more than one sky.

                          Multiverse or parallel universes not ruled out by text of quran i guess.

                          Most of the times science conflicts with the ideas of religions due to the nature of religious text against time and the audience of that time. Thats why the idea of seven heavens/sky is bit difficult to understand as per the current maping of cosmos as we know things are in a huge amount.

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                            reel
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                            Salam/Peace dear sister. Why would those scientists do not want that to happen? I am guessing it involves enforcing materialism/naturalism?

                            Too many reasons I guess. But here is a sample from an article

                            1. "Many physicists today say the waves that symbolize quantum possibilities are so fragile they collapse with the slightest encounter with their environment. Conscious observers are not needed. As Dr. Albert pointed out, Wigner framed the process in strict mathematical and probabilistic terms. "The desires and intentions of the observer had nothing to do with it," he said.

                            In other words, reality is out of our control. It's all atoms and the void, as Democritus said so long ago. Indeed, some physicists say the most essential and independent characteristic of reality, whatever that is, is randomness. It's a casino universe."

                            1. "When it comes to physics, people seem to need to kid themselves. There is a presumption, Dr. Albert said, that if you look deeply enough you will find "some reaffirmation of your own centrality to the world, a reaffirmation of your ability to take control of your own destiny." We want to know that God loves us, that we are the pinnacle of evolution.

                            But one of the most valuable aspects of science, he said, is precisely the way it resists that temptation to find the answer we want. That is the test that quantum mysticism flunks, and on some level we all flunk."
                            https//www.nytimes.com/2006/03/14/science/far-out-man-but-is-it-quantum-physics.html

                            It is also likely that the info can risk lives. Here is a popular example https//www.reddit.com/user/afh43

                            I really don't think there is any of such intention coming from 'scientist'.
                            Usually what happened is the 'religious' which are disturbed because what being found by the 'scientist' is not inline with their religious dogma and/or holy book.

                            I am talking about Quantum physics and multiverse. They seem to be more leaned towards the core of most religions. Of course, only very few priests talk about that. Just look at hindus. Abroad the priests talk about such topic and typically promote only one God. But in India, it is always multiple gods, caste system, rituals, etc.

                            The common techniques between them are called 'meditation', which might trigger among other astral projection.

                            Yep and it works. But publicly kept info about them seems to be a bit corrupted.

                            It's also the same way on how Lao Tse received his 'revelation', by looking inside himself

                            Since before time and space were, the Tao is.
                            It is beyond is and is not.
                            How do I know this is true?
                            I look inside myself and see.
                            -- Tao The Ching

                            And it seems so does Jesus..

                            “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’
                            For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you”
                            -- Luke 7

                            And if the story was true about Muhammad pondering inside a cave.

                            You are supposed to 'walk the path' as Lao Tse, Jesus, Muhammad, Siddharta and millions of others.
                            Thus experience your own revelation.
                            And not merely becoming a 'follower' with blind faith.
                            As of now the opposite of 'black hole' remain only in theory..

                            I am tempted to believe going within is what salat is. You will get a response. God also gives signs outside in many forms.

                            They do have a pic of black hole now https//www.jpl.nasa.gov/edu/news/2019/4/19/how-scientists-captured-the-first-image-of-a-black-hole/

                            Black hole is basically a phenomenon of 'NOTHINGNESS'. Scientists calls it "Singularity".
                            Buddhist, Yogis and Hindus calls it "Sunyata", sanskrit word which means Voidness.
                            Taois calls it "Wu" which means the same thing.

                            If everything was created out of NOTHING, then one will realize how powerful NOTHINGNESS is.

                            Forgot to say I was describing my experience.

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                              The_Sardar
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                              It is also likely that the info can risk lives. Here is a popular example https//www.reddit.com/user/afh43

                              Oh Lord of the Worlds (SWTAY), i hope that person did not actually commited suicide, it sounded very bad and has not made a post or comment for 3 years. How did you stumble upon this poor soul sister Reel?

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                                Oh Lord of the Worlds (SWTAY), i hope that person did not actually commited suicide, it sounded very bad and has not made a post or comment for 3 years. How did you stumble upon this poor soul sister Reel?

                                Whether he did it is the mystery that made his profile go viral.Just last year, I came across one youtube channel that covered it. I fell from the sky because I did respond to one his posts before. He agreed with me that he didn't remember his past life and thus, he was worrying for no reason about the concept. Looks like he went back to square one later.

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                                  The_Sardar
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                                  How does Quantum Immortalilty drives one suicidal? I honestly hope that wont affect me as well.

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