Can someone refute this?
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Peace The Sardar
.Darwins phylisophy is his own logic derived from other peoples logic.
There are things that people argue thinking it is logical, but have no solid evidence for. Like we do with our phylosophy of "GOD exist".
They build hypothesis and follow steps that leads them to a conclusion.Like we do
Again humans knowledge is weak and our logic ,even though we make sense with it is floored.
My answer to Darwin is either we are right or he is right. We cannot both be wrong.Who builds the better argument? This is the important question.
For me, GOD has built the better argument. Can you see the continuous problem (Or the catch 22) ?
If one only uses their logic, there is no proof. If one "believes" and uses GOD s logical argument in the scripture ,in the creation and in all our senses, then that may convince them of GOD s existence.Or not?
The truth of the matter is the proof for everyone will never exist until GOD Himself shows up or His manifestations /miracles happen in front of people s eyes.( Like GOD speaks to them with the Angels).
I have discussed ,in this forum my views about GOD s existence,signs/argument if you wish to browse them.
GOD bless you brother.
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Sorry brother, I meant" Dawkins" in my above post not -Darwin.-.
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I have discussed ,in this forum my views about GOD s existence,signs/argument if you wish to browse them.
GOD bless you brother.
Peace.I would like to, just i don't what type in the words about your views.
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Peace The Sardar.
I will give you some examples of my views with headings, but you can also search the relevant topics in the forum if you wish;
1-Evolution
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602536.1002-Who created GOD.
To some what is Intelligent designer?
Anyhow ,they keep running from the truth!
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJoOhbf3_TsThe Creator has left clear signs.
3-Can we Scientifically prove GOD exist?-GOD s argument in Qoran-
All of us have our answers, they are just different. Proofs ,like answers also differ.
First apologies for leaving the Arabic text that is quoted in this post untranslated!Here we are trying to "prove GOD"! Unaware( or aware?) that God is aware ?
عٰلِمُ الغَيبِ وَالشَّهٰدَةِ الكَبيرُ المُتَعالِGOD knows we are in" dispute" about His existence
وَهُم يُجٰدِلونَ فِى اللَّهِ وَهُوَ شَديدُ المِحالِHere is a question?
قُل مَن رَبُّ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالأَرضِ قُلِ اللَّهُ قُل أَفَاتَّخَذتُم مِن دونِهِ أَولِياءَ لا يَملِكونَ لِأَنفُسِهِم نَفعًا وَلا ضَرًّا قُل هَل يَستَوِى الأَعمىٰ وَالبَصيرُ أَم هَل تَستَوِى الظُّلُمٰتُ وَالنّورُ أَم جَعَلوا لِلَّهِ شُرَكاءَ خَلَقوا كَخَلقِهِ فَتَشٰبَهَ الخَلقُ عَلَيهِم قُلِ اللَّهُ خٰلِقُ كُلِّ شَىءٍ وَهُوَ الوٰحِدُ القَهّٰرُOf course some are going to ask where is your evidence? Where is your proof?
وَيَقولُ الَّذينَ كَفَروا لَولا أُنزِلَ عَلَيهِ ءايَةٌ مِن رَبِّهِ قُل إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُضِلُّ مَن يَشاءُ وَيَهدى إِلَيهِ مَن أَنابَI am going to say "GOD is my Lord"!
وَهُم يَكفُرونَ بِالرَّحمٰنِ قُل هُوَ رَبّى لا إِلٰهَ إِلّا هُوَ عَلَيهِ تَوَكَّلتُ وَإِلَيهِ مَتابِI am also going to add, when GOD is mentioned I rejoice (Regardless of" Scientifically proving His existence"?)!!!!
الَّذينَ ءامَنوا وَتَطمَئِنُّ قُلوبُهُم بِذِكرِ اللَّهِ أَلا بِذِكرِ اللَّهِ تَطمَئِنُّ القُلوبُSorry if you are wondering " What has this Arabic text got to do with God?"
You are entitled to ask that question, but it will make no difference to the outcome. There will always be those who believe and those who do not!!!
وَلَو أَنَّ قُرءانًا سُيِّرَت بِهِ الجِبالُ أَو قُطِّعَت بِهِ الأَرضُ أَو كُلِّمَ بِهِ المَوتىٰ بَل لِلَّهِ الأَمرُ جَميعًا أَفَلَم يَا۟يـَٔسِ الَّذينَ ءامَنوا أَن لَو يَشاءُ اللَّهُ لَهَدَى النّاسَ جَميعًاAnd the disputes and the questions continue?
أَفَمَن يَعلَمُ أَنَّما أُنزِلَ إِلَيكَ مِن رَبِّكَ الحَقُّ كَمَن هُوَ أَعمىٰ إِنَّما يَتَذَكَّرُ أُولُوا الأَلبٰبِGOD bless .
Peace.4- Beleive v Disbelieve
So of course there are those who do not believe and those who believe in meeting the Lord
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Those who do not expect to meet us said, "If only the angels could come down to us, or we could see our Lord (we would then believe)!" Indeed, they have committed a gross arrogance, and have produced a gross blasphemy.
وَقالَ الَّذينَ لا يَرجونَ لِقاءَنا لَولا أُنزِلَ عَلَينَا المَلٰئِكَةُ أَو نَرىٰ رَبَّنا لَقَدِ استَكبَروا فى أَنفُسِهِم وَعَتَو عُتُوًّا كَبيرًا
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The day they see the angels, it will not be good news for the guilty; they will say, "Now, we are irreversibly confined."
يَومَ يَرَونَ المَلٰئِكَةَ لا بُشرىٰ يَومَئِذٍ لِلمُجرِمينَ وَيَقولونَ حِجرًا مَحجورًا
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We will look at all the works they have done, and render them null and void.
وَقَدِمنا إِلىٰ ما عَمِلوا مِن عَمَلٍ فَجَعَلنٰهُ هَباءً مَنثورًا
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The dwellers of Paradise are far better on that day; they will hear better news.
أَصحٰبُ الجَنَّةِ يَومَئِذٍ خَيرٌ مُستَقَرًّا وَأَحسَنُ مَقيلًاBrother, it will be a difficult day for some. Let us hope and pray for GOD s mercy then
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The heaven will break apart, into masses of clouds, and the angels will descend in multitudes.
وَيَومَ تَشَقَّقُ السَّماءُ بِالغَمٰمِ وَنُزِّلَ المَلٰئِكَةُ تَنزيلًا
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All sovereignty on that day belongs to the Most Gracious. For the disbelievers, it will be a difficult day.
المُلكُ يَومَئِذٍ الحَقُّ لِلرَّحمٰنِ وَكانَ يَومًا عَلَى الكٰفِرينَ عَسيرًاLooking forward to that day brother. I sincerely hope we both have some good news and meet in favorable conditions.
GOD bless you.
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Sorry bring up old topic again but anyone else would like to respond? Wakas? Noon? I am interested on this Argument from Design and a lot of atheists dont seem to like it.
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Oh, I am watching the video for the first time. It doesn't apply to us though.
235 Who designed the designer?
Who created the energy that cannot be created or destroyed? First law of thermodynamics is so theistic.Is this where we are going now?
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Salam/Peace dear sister Reel
This question of "who designed the designer" made by atheists seems to use a trap called special pleading fallacy when we monotheists say Allah/The God (SWTAY) is Eternal.
Here is a post in that blogspot i linked earlier
https//debunkingatheistrepublic.blogspot.com/2019/07/debunking-common-atheists-arguments.html
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Would love to hear responses, point by point like sister Reel here.
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Salam/Peace dear sister Reel
This question of "who designed the designer" made by atheists seems to use a trap called special pleading fallacy when we monotheists say Allah/The God (SWTAY) is Eternal.
Here is a post in that blogspot i linked earlier
https//debunkingatheistrepublic.blogspot.com/2019/07/debunking-common-atheists-arguments.html
Forgot to say couple of days ago I found a hadith in which Bukhari talks about atheists asking who created god.In short, the question has been around for centuries.
And yep, in all major religions including hinduism, it is understood that God has no beginning and ending. Then you have this first law of thermodynamics saying energy cannot be created (same as no beginning) or destroyed (same as no ending). The video is useless.
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In the description, she claimed that the Argument from Design has "flaws". I wonder if someone has a response towards it. A lot of atheists do not like that argument and make claims of design "flaws".
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In the description, she claimed that the Argument from Design has "flaws". I wonder if someone has a response towards it. A lot of atheists do not like that argument and make claims of design "flaws".
Honestly, I'm not a fan of the idea that argument from design proves existence of God. The writings I see simply are all about appreciating his work and that’s an emotional thing (hormones at work). Also they seem to all end it with “this couldn’t have been done without the help of some intelligent being”. Then what? No answer. Just like atheists, I get annoyed by that also.
But at the same time it is weird for atheists to claim that natural selection proves he is nonexistent. Why can’t he intentionally introduce the process in us? Maybe Christians say that can’t be true. I’m not sure.
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Peace The sardar.
This is a question of comparison/relative things/beings/designers...etc,quote"This question of "who designed the designer" made by atheists seems to use a trap called special pleading fallacy..."
So let us assume this goes on and on...Where does it end? i.e what is the start of the chain?
All these designers that are supposedly created are relative to each other, one can compare them,rate them...
The origin ,starting point,beguinning of everything has to start with an absolute designer. The emphasis of "Unique, First and Last and The only one". i.e the Everliving, Designer/GOD...Creator of everything that exist,if everything disappears/goes away. He remains .
So GOD Alone. the absolute one, starts and ends phases of any creation. All creation is relative, GOD is the only absolute being.
That is the main argument of why GOD is one, always was and always will be.
Can I prove it?
Well, it is the only answer to the chain of who created GOD?
Unless one wants to be illogical and presumes the question is ongoing for ever?!!! Then they need to realise that without an absolute one ,nothing would have existed at all! Some origin to all this will be required?
GOD bless you.
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Can I prove it?
Well, it is the only answer to the chain of who created GOD?
Unless one wants to be illogical and presumes the question is ongoing for ever?!!! Then they need to realise that without an absolute one ,nothing would have existed at all! Some origin to all this will be required?
GOD bless you.
Peace.This reminds me of a another article of the blogpost that i checked out https//debunkingatheistrepublic.blogspot.com/2019/07/refuting-polytheism.html
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Yes brother, There is no one that can ask GOD about what He does and why He does it.
"La Yusalu Amma Yafalu Wa Hum Yusaloon".
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Such is the creation of God; show me what the idols you set up beside Him have created. Indeed, the transgressors are far astray.
هٰذا خَلقُ اللَّهِ فَأَرونى ماذا خَلَقَ الَّذينَ مِن دونِهِ بَلِ الظّٰلِمونَ فى ضَلٰلٍ مُبينٍAnyway brother, thanks and do not worry too much
As for those who disbelieve, do not be saddened by their disbelief. To us is their ultimate return, then we will inform them of everything they had done. God is fully aware of the innermost thoughts.
وَمَن كَفَرَ فَلا يَحزُنكَ كُفرُهُ إِلَينا مَرجِعُهُم فَنُنَبِّئُهُم بِما عَمِلوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَليمٌ بِذاتِ الصُّدورِLet them enjoy for a while, meanwhile
GOD bless you.
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This might be off-topic but it does involve hatred against Monotheism but i did share something with sister Reel about how atheists and polytheists sometimes cooperating on reddit, attacking monotheism. If you wish, i could make a post about requesting a response towards these claims?
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Peace The Sardar.
Thanks brother. I do not bother with such sites.
But you do what you wish for you. I pass.
GOD bless you.
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Honestly, I'm not a fan of the idea that argument from design proves existence of God. The writings I see simply are all about appreciating his work and that’s an emotional thing (hormones at work). Also they seem to all end it with “this couldn’t have been done without the help of some intelligent being”. Then what? No answer. Just like atheists, I get annoyed by that also.
But at the same time it is weird for atheists to claim that natural selection proves he is nonexistent. Why can’t he intentionally introduce the process in us? Maybe Christians say that can’t be true. I’m not sure.
I really don't understand either how natural laws "dismisses" The Creator (SWTAY), the question arises then how was the natural laws set?
Plus sister Reel, what do you think of the video? You stated that you began watching it. What else are your responses after your first reply
Oh, I am watching the video for the first time. It doesn't apply to us though.
Who created the energy that cannot be created or destroyed? First law of thermodynamics is so theistic.Is this where we are going now?
I should have asked though, how does this not apply to us? Just curious.
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It's alright dear sister. I can wait for your answer )
Plus i would like to hear more on your thoughts on the design argument. Your comment did caught my eye on this so would love to know more on your view on the argument from design.
