I've become an Eastern Orthodox Christian!

jonny_k

Also if you wanna understad why logically only the God as laid out in Eastern Orthodoxy allows one to make sense of existence i.e. trancendental argument for the Orthodox CHristian God u may wanna hear out a top Orthodox apologist by the name Jay Dyer
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx3ssbjb3Xs

good_logic

Welcome back jonny_k.
GOD sent one religion with all the prophets/messengers including Jesus. GOD did not send Shinto. Hinduism Judaism, Christianity or Traditional Islam or any other made up men s religion with anyone.

GOD s religion is believing in GOD Alone and Submission to GOD s laws and rules.
All GOD s messengers including Jesus came to deliver a common message of -
Total loyalty and submission to GOD Alone-

Basically changing men s religions from one to the other is just moving from one made up religion to another in my opinion.
Each one of these religions have claimed to be the true one while each one of them have also divided themselves into sects

But of course one is free to follow any religion they choose and,agree with .

All the religions out there should have a common goal of racing each other to the best path of good deeds,good morals and to be peaceful,helpful human beings.
May the Lord bless you.
Peace.

ilma_bee

Jonny_k

If a false teaching can lead people to God's truth, then even bible can be a false teaching. Or any other book. While, from the other side any of them can be true. It's all simply just assumptions and following one's feelings.

But, a more important thing is WHY would God give such a complex system of finding out the truth, so that only few people are able to find it. Billions of people who think they are rightly guided and all of them believe different stuff. I mean, who can claim they are 100% right.

Jafar

Peace jonny_k

Congratulations from leaving an identity and assuming another identity.
I hope you will learn many new things and having new experiences in your new identity.

Before finally you came into a realization that you actually want to shed all of your identities.

As eventually all path lead to the infinite creator in the end.

Jafar

Some of you may remember me as a quran alone muslim, defending the number 19 in quran, etc. Well i'd already left quran alone islam around 2011,, from there on i went through amny protestant denominations until finally i became an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

https//www.youtube.com/user/jonnykzj/videos

Peace jonny_k

Out of curiosity I checked out your channel there.. named "Eastern Orthodox only true Church Apologetics"
I totally don't understand any of it ))
The lingos the labelling are confusing for me. (nestorian, kelvin, dispenser, masonry, toll road etc..)
But that's not why I'm posting another reply here.

I'm intrigued that it seems you are 'focusing' on 'refutation', 'exposing the errors of other groups', 'god angry towards some other groups, other than yours', 'warning towards something or some groups', 'fighting against the world' etc..
I think you haven't changed at all! rotfl

You still the same old you who tried to prove that your group is the only group that is correct by exposing the errors of other groups.
And also sending out 'warning' against and about the other groups.
The things that changed are merely the group that you're fighting for and the groups that you're fighting against.

Have you pondered maybe it's time to change on such paradigm / point of view as well?
Or actually 'fighting' for something and against something is actually what you think your purpose of life is?

ade_cool

Salam jonny_k,

I checked your youtube videos ...

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRRCJOP7f0s

To "justify" trinity, in your video you are using the following sahih hadith (around minute 12)

https//sunnah.com/urn/1251810

Waki' bin Hudus narrated that his paternal uncle Abu Razin said
"I said 'O Messenger of Allah, where was our Lord before He created His creation?' He said He was above the clouds, below which was air, and above which was air and water. Then He created His Throne above the water.'"

You basically argue that Jesus is uncreated and has always existed just like clouds, air, and water in the above mentioned sahih hadith.

I am wondering why you use hadith? Has the knowledge from God not come to you that sahih hadith books are unreliable and corrupted?

Wassalam,
Ade

Neptin

I don't really know much about eastern orthodox christian theology. But it's something am open to learning more of. For me though, as far as scriptural religions goes, I see my self a skeptic. Once the text is liable to factual errors as I noted with the Qur'an last year, the faith is as good as dead.

ilma_bee

Neptin

Could you please give me an example of a factual error in the Quran? What did you exactly mean?

LMC

Salam everyone.

I wanted to mention a verse in the Quran about 19

And We have not made the keepers of the Fire except angels. And We have not made their number except as a trial for those who disbelieve - that those who were given the Scripture will be convinced and those who have believed will increase in faith and those who were given the Scripture and the believers will not doubt and that those in whose hearts is hypocrisy and the disbelievers will say, "What does Allah intend by this as an example?" Thus does Allah leave astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And none knows the soldiers of your Lord except Him. And mention of the Fire is not but a reminder to humanity.

The Quran says that God made the angels of the fire 19 and that through this he will guide some and misguide others--he will misguide those whose hearts are perversity. The OP was the one Allah misguided through the 19 (and he admitted that the 19 phenomenon is what led him to leave Islam).

This is a Quranic prophecy that came true (any may be continually coming true). Subhanallah!

In my next post, I will give a point by point refutation of the OPs argument. Again, given life obligations, I want to leave it to you (Muslims) to also respond.

LMC

The amazing thing is that the mathemtical pattern and even number 19 has an involvement in my journey. I acknoledged for example as Edip Yuksel points out the odds of the arrangement of the muaqataat in the quran being arranged in this manner giving multiples of 19 is about 1/60,000. HOWEVER when i saw the pattern of JUST TWO VERSES in the Bible i.e. Gen 11 and John 11 when the SAME FORMULA was applied to each of them it resulted in both pi and eulers number to FOUR SIGNIFICANT FIGS exactly, it kinna stuck with me. that was much more powerful with probability lower than 1/1000,000.

The previous scriptures were also from God (The Quran says so). But they were corrupted. So we should expect to see some formula of 19 within them too...

In fact, if ALL 3 scriptures have an improbable numerical code in them, then that is evidence they are all originally from God (which is what Islam teaches, lol). If the other scriptures don't a numerical code (or a remnant of a numerical code), then that is not evidence against Islam because they could've been corrupted.

In fact, verse 7431 said those who were given the scripture can also be convinced through the 19 phenomenon (which is a numerical phenomenon) that the Quran is from God

And We have not made the keepers of the Fire except angels. And We have not made their number except as a trial for those who disbelieve - that those who were given the Scripture will be convinced and those who have believed will increase in faith and those who were given the Scripture and the believers will not doubt and that those in whose hearts is hypocrisy and the disbelievers will say, "What does Allah intend by this as an example?" Thus does Allah leave astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And none knows the soldiers of your Lord except Him. And mention of the Fire is not but a reminder to humanity.

Note that "those who were given the scripture" could also mean "Muslims", but it could also be referring to "Christians/Jews". Thus it could mean Christians/Jews through looking at their scriptures and seeing remnants of a numerical code in them too would be convinced of the Truth of the Quran and Islam. As I said, if all 3 scriptures have remnants of a numerical code, then that is evidence that all 3 are originally from God (which is literally what the Quran says) But as we will see below, those whose hearts are perversity from those who have been given the scripture and the believers, will be misguided through it

SECONDLY given that 19 is the number thats so central in the quran it stands to reason that sura 19 verse 19 should be amongst the most profund verses of the quran. Well heres what that verse says

1919 He said I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.

That's a non-sequitur. You assume that 1919 must say something central to Islam. Why?

In fact, this may be one mechanism Allah uses to misguide those through 19. Allah said that through the 19 thing, he will misguide some and guide others. By putting 1919 he allows those whose hearts are perversity to be misguided, while allowing those whose hearts are open to be guided. For my case, I know there there is no reason that verse 1919 necessarily has to say something central to Islam. Allah could've simply avoided that just to misguide you and others (just as Allah promised--he will misguide some and guide others through the 19).

In the context its obviously talking about none other than JESUS CHRIST. imo no one can just chuck this off as coincidence given tht he belevied in code19. Thus God in His providence used the very number 19 to lead me to come home to Christianity.

Or God could've misguided you into Christianity...The Quran says Allah misguides and guides whom he wills--and it also says will also do this using the number 19.

Ofc there was much more involved in the rpocess of my conversion. Another astounding of what i call a ripple effect within mainstream sunni islam is the muslims in the past evhemently fighting against the mutazila who claimed allah's word the quran was created,, as opposed to the mainstream view tht it is uncreated. muslims even went through persecution to defend this doctrine. Yet this mimicks what happened AT THE COUNCIL OF NICEA CENTURIES BEFORE THAT. For me this was anothe rpowerful evidence of God even leaving muslims with a trail of evidence to come home to the Orthodox Christian Faith which includes accepting the Council of Nicea. I now have a utube channel and a discord sevrer as follows

It is a non-sequitur to say that how Muslims act is evidence against the truth of the Quran. That doesn't follow logically.

Your arguments are weak at best. I don't see much insight or intellect in your claims. Looks like Allah misguided you through the 19, just as he promised he would.