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    Sania_Haque
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    Hey it's me again. I must tell yall Quranism is not easy. Yall have so many different views that it's just impossible to practice anything. My faith has been completely distorted and i donot know how to continue Because although i have accepted Quranism i am having a hard time practicing it.

    I have been reading about marriage requirements, some Quranists say that we can marry non muslim people of scriptures that is those jews and Christians who believe in one God and donot associate anyone with him. But then the other Quranist page said that muslims are only to marry those people of scriptures who not only believe inn one God but also should believe in the last Prophet Muhammad and this book Quran. Aren't these people also muslims if they believe in Quran and Mohammed? So we are back to square one ? It means muslims can only marry muslims

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      Peace Sania Haque.

      I have found the problem of religion weird. Everyone wants the true religion but no one is willing to find out why religion and what does GOD say about so many religions out there?

      You say quote

      "Hey it's me again. I must tell yall Quranism is not easy. Yall have so many different views that it's just impossible to practice anything. My faith has been completely distorted and i donot know how to continue Because although i have accepted Quranism i am having a hard time practicing it."

      Has Qoranism now become another religion? Can we not see that all man made religions have divided into sects? What does GOD really say about man made religions? Is Qoran not available for every individual to search and ponder? So why search for a religion from people who differ and confuse?
      GOD clearly says we go back to him as individuals and are accountable as individuals not as from a specific man made religion groups.

      Then using reason and logic each individual needs to ponder GOD s message to take the redemption journey under the leadership of the creator .
      GOD guides, GOD explains Qoran, GOD is fair and just, GOD does not lie, GOD never brakes a promise and GOD has never put another authority/ human in charge of HIS religion to guide the people and judge the people.
      Everyone is invited to study and ponder the message,it is for all humanity(Even those that cannot read or write,GOD will find a way for them). One can start from ZERO, ignore all religions out there and just see what Qoran is saying to you. GOD will find a way for you to understand something about your redemption/salvation and GOD will work with you through the journey( It has to be a journey of trial of your true conviction) providing there is honesty and sincerity on the intention of the individual.
      Does GOD not understand what is in the heart of the seeker?
      Sister, try by your own effort to look closely at what Qoran is saying to you.
      I hope you succeed. Trust and rely on GOD Alone. GOD is sufficient and capable ,powerful and the best teacher for every individual.
      GOD bless you.
      Peace.

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        peace,

        You may find this useful
        https//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/more.php
        http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/covenant-quran.html
        https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607740.msg374835#msg374835

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          Peace Sania Haque.

          I have found the problem of religion weird. Everyone wants the true religion but no one is willing to find out why religion and what does GOD say about so many religions out there?

          You say quote

          "Hey it's me again. I must tell yall Quranism is not easy. Yall have so many different views that it's just impossible to practice anything. My faith has been completely distorted and i donot know how to continue Because although i have accepted Quranism i am having a hard time practicing it."

          Has Qoranism now become another religion? Can we not see that all man made religions have divided into sects? What does GOD really say about man made religions? Is Qoran not available for every individual to search and ponder? So why search for a religion from people who differ and confuse?
          GOD clearly says we go back to him as individuals and are accountable as individuals not as from a specific man made religion groups.

          Then using reason and logic each individual needs to ponder GOD s message to take the redemption journey under the leadership of the creator .
          GOD guides, GOD explains Qoran, GOD is fair and just, GOD does not lie, GOD never brakes a promise and GOD has never put another authority/ human in charge of HIS religion to guide the people and judge the people.
          Everyone is invited to study and ponder the message,it is for all humanity(Even those that cannot read or write,GOD will find a way for them). One can start from ZERO, ignore all religions out there and just see what Qoran is saying to you. GOD will find a way for you to understand something about your redemption/salvation and GOD will work with you through the journey( It has to be a journey of trial of your true conviction) providing there is honesty and sincerity on the intention of the individual.
          Does GOD not understand what is in the heart of the seeker?
          Sister, try by your own effort to look closely at what Qoran is saying to you.
          I hope you succeed. Trust and rely on GOD Alone. GOD is sufficient and capable ,powerful and the best teacher for every individual.
          GOD bless you.
          Peace.

          You donot realise how hard it is for me. My whole life i have been taught that hadiths and Quran go in hand in hand. Hadiths provided tafseer to Quran no although they were all wrong and satanic. I have been taught my whole life that Quran is not something that everyone can translate and find meaning. Even when hadiths didn't make sense they were black and white. It took away the power to reason and asked you to accept anything without question. If you give your meanings or ask questions you would be committing a sin. But still it was clear. Everyone accepted that muslims cannot marry non muslim. Everyone accepted women are inferior and are something to be objectified. Everyone accepted God hated music and dogs. All of this was wrong but people followe tt because they think it's the command of God. Now everything has came tumbling down. I come to know that everything i believed was a lie. I have to find my faith on my own. It's not easy now. It's not easy at all. How am i going to know what's wrong and what's right ? How am i going to get rid of the internal fear i have for coming to wrong conclusions. Everyone is now open to their own interpretations then what is wrong and what is right. Some of yall say alcohol is totally haram, some of yall say we are only not allowed to pray while drunk. Some of yall say salah is a ritual prayer lthat every muslims prays today, some of yall say salah is not a ritual pray. So does Quran has any laws or not ? Is it just a book to remind people god exist and they can do whatever they want ? If God's message is clear then why is that none of yall can agree at anything. How am i going to find the true message of God then. I am so so confused now that for a moment i thought of leaving Islam and Becoming a deist.

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            Peace Sania Haque.
            Thank you for telling me your concern. I have a feeling that your head hurts with all these issues.
            I sympathise, but I have to be honest with you according to how I understand the message of Qoran to me. I cannot say I have your answers ,but I can certainly say that Qoran has all the answers we seek for salvation.
            First Qoran gives us the minimum criteria for salvation /to be saved here

            Say, "Come let me tell you what your Lord has really prohibited for you You shall not set up idols besides Him. You shall honor your parents. You shall not kill your children from fear of poverty - we provide for you and for them. You shall not commit gross sins, obvious or hidden. You shall not kill - God has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand."
            قُل تَعالَوا أَتلُ ما حَرَّمَ رَبُّكُم عَلَيكُم أَلّا تُشرِكوا بِهِ شَيـًٔا وَبِالوٰلِدَينِ إِحسٰنًا وَلا تَقتُلوا أَولٰدَكُم مِن إِملٰقٍ نَحنُ نَرزُقُكُم وَإِيّاهُم وَلا تَقرَبُوا الفَوٰحِشَ ما ظَهَرَ مِنها وَما بَطَنَ وَلا تَقتُلُوا النَّفسَ الَّتى حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ إِلّا بِالحَقِّ ذٰلِكُم وَصّىٰكُم بِهِ لَعَلَّكُم تَعقِلونَ
            You shall not touch the orphans' money except in the most righteous manner, until they reach maturity. You shall give full weight and full measure when you trade, equitably. We do not burden any soul beyond its means. You shall be absolutely just when you bear witness, even against your relatives. You shall fulfill your covenant with God. These are His commandments to you, that you may take heed.
            وَلا تَقرَبوا مالَ اليَتيمِ إِلّا بِالَّتى هِىَ أَحسَنُ حَتّىٰ يَبلُغَ أَشُدَّهُ وَأَوفُوا الكَيلَ وَالميزانَ بِالقِسطِ لا نُكَلِّفُ نَفسًا إِلّا وُسعَها وَإِذا قُلتُم فَاعدِلوا وَلَو كانَ ذا قُربىٰ وَبِعَهدِ اللَّهِ أَوفوا ذٰلِكُم وَصّىٰكُم بِهِ لَعَلَّكُم تَذَكَّرونَ
            This is My path - a straight one. You shall follow it, and do not follow any other paths, lest they divert you from His path. These are His commandments to you, that you may be saved.
            وَأَنَّ هٰذا صِرٰطى مُستَقيمًا فَاتَّبِعوهُ وَلا تَتَّبِعُوا السُّبُلَ فَتَفَرَّقَ بِكُم عَن سَبيلِهِ ذٰلِكُم وَصّىٰكُم بِهِ لَعَلَّكُم تَتَّقونَ
            And we gave Moses the scripture, complete with the best commandments, and detailing everything, and a beacon and mercy, that they may believe in meeting their Lord.
            ثُمَّ ءاتَينا موسَى الكِتٰبَ تَمامًا عَلَى الَّذى أَحسَنَ وَتَفصيلًا لِكُلِّ شَىءٍ وَهُدًى وَرَحمَةً لَعَلَّهُم بِلِقاءِ رَبِّهِم يُؤمِنونَ
            This too is a blessed scripture that we have revealed; you shall follow it and lead a righteous life, that you may attain mercy.
            وَهٰذا كِتٰبٌ أَنزَلنٰهُ مُبارَكٌ فَاتَّبِعوهُ وَاتَّقوا لَعَلَّكُم تُرحَمونَ
            Now you can no longer say, "The scripture was sent down to two groups before us, and we were unaware of their teachings."
            أَن تَقولوا إِنَّما أُنزِلَ الكِتٰبُ عَلىٰ طائِفَتَينِ مِن قَبلِنا وَإِن كُنّا عَن دِراسَتِهِم لَغٰفِلينَ
            Nor can you say, "If only a scripture could come down to us, we would be better guided than they." A proven scripture has now come to you from your Lord, and a beacon, and a mercy. Now, who is more evil than one who rejects these ayats from God, and disregards them? We will commit those who disregard our ayats to the worst retribution for their heedlessness.

            Following the straight path leads to safety in the hereafter.

            All the rest if one wants to achieve more depends on how they improve on their belief by being devoted to study GOD s scripture and work on themselves to attain certainty and grow their soul with the help of their Lord /creator. There are stages in this journey that takes a believer from start to attain a high status of "Mukarrab" ,"Nearer to GOD s standard of where a human can take the growth of the soul."
            Devotion to GOD Alone will only come from believing in GOD and believing GOD and trying our best to study Qoran with patience ,sincerity and working with GOD Alone/seeking His help and support. GOD leads the stages and knows our most inner thoughts.
            We have two choices once we come across Qoran
            1-Take GOD s words seriously and at least do the minimum.
            2- ditch it and ignore and leave your other choice of life without GOD.
            GOD bless you.
            Peace.

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              Hey it's me again. I must tell yall Quranism is not easy. Yall have so many different views that it's just impossible to practice anything. My faith has been completely distorted and i donot know how to continue Because although i have accepted Quranism i am having a hard time practicing it.

              I have been reading about marriage requirements, some Quranists say that we can marry non muslim people of scriptures that is those jews and Christians who believe in one God and donot associate anyone with him. But then the other Quranist page said that muslims are only to marry those people of scriptures who not only believe inn one God but also should believe in the last Prophet Muhammad and this book Quran. Aren't these people also muslims if they believe in Quran and Mohammed? So we are back to square one ? It means muslims can only marry muslims

              I'd marry anyone who genuinely/sincerely and potently believes Existence to be Perfect so long as I find them attractive. It is not essential to me if they've read the Quran or not, but it would be strongly preferred that they understand the Quran. If x believes Existence Is Perfect, then x can peacefully surrender because x would believe that everyone gets what they truly deserve. Additionally x would do his best to be good, as he will believe that that will result in what is best for him in a perfect existence. So what if x has never read the Quran? x is clearly a muslim by Quran's definition.

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