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    herbman
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    Hi,

    What ever argument you bring e.g. verse interpretation , hadith, etc...only 2 are named in the Quran. You can imagine fancy names and fancy timing this won’t change this simple fact!!!

    peace

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      ade_cool
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      ... and Layth intentionally distorting the Qur’aan when it comes to Salaat.

      That is a serious accusation! ...intentionally distorting means one knows something but says something else to distort ...and it is totally different thing with expressing one's view as per one's current understanding

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        SniperX
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        No I'm not

        So you're not Al Khidr?

        See
        http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/problems-5-salat-Quran.html
        http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/salat-timings-Quran.html

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          SniperX
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          Its not a serious accusation, its the cold naked truth. Download Exposing The 3 Salaat Theory The Ultimate Rebuttal and then you will get the evidence.

          That is a serious accusation! ...intentionally distorting means one knows something but says something else to distort ...and it is totally different thing with expressing one's view as per one's current understanding

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            Iyyaka
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            Below is the video trailer for Exposing The 3 Salaat Theory
            https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=VePKhwceRCM

            Below is the website

            Exposing The 3 Salaat Theory
            https//salaat19.wixsite.com/3salaattheoryexposed

            You can directly download the book, Exposing The 3 Salaat Theory. This is a free download or you can read it online without downloading it. You also have the choice to read it in English or Arabic

            Exposing The 3 Salaat Theory (ENGLISH)
            https//drive.google.com/file/d/1Dr08ZE2nrgJIJSN40xsqHvjub5AIMkl1/view?usp=sharing

            Exposing The 3 Salaat Theory (ARABIC)
            https//drive.google.com/file/d/1YBeZdsuuWH54Rqc8Aafc5evHJ01doneP/view?usp=sharing

            I am not defending anyone but the author should be more humble (as ade_cool suggests it) when he wrote in the introduction of the following document
            "
            Supreme Mathematics 19 (ENGLISH) download
            https//drive.google.com/file/d/1iM6CCAXnE2NgcFzq7ZiBErhPXODRGhOF/view?usp
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            i quote him "The Al-Muddath-thir verse 30 which is Qur’aan 7430 says “Over it is nineteen.” This is the protective seal Allah has placed over the Qur'aan, which as protected and preserved the Qur'aan from any human interjections or tampering...."
            => COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC / IRRELEVANT (like my intervention in this topic)

            Nothing to do with the protection of the Quran.
            This is about the "Saqar", one of the names of the HELL and its 19 guards ((of) the Fire).
            Don't manipulate verse by isolating it from its textual context.

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              reel
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              Layth intentionally distorting the Qur’aan when it comes to Salaat.

              Why a man who intentionally distorts Quran tells people in his articles to personally verify if his info is true?

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                SniperX
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                We call that reverse psychology. A real deceiver will not appear direct so I hope you understand my point.

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                  SniperX
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                  We call that reverse psychology. A real deceiver will not appear direct and obvious with their deception so I hope you understand my point.

                  Why a man who intentionally distorts Quran tells people in his articles to personally verify if his info is true?

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                    SniperX
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                    People in this forum are lost and do not understand basic concepts in the Qur'aan such as salaat. There are people in here running around talking about there is 3 Salaat, 2 Salaat, 1 Salaat. Download the document Exposing The 3 Salaat Theory The Ultimate Rebuttal. This document DESTROYS all those theories propagated in this forum among Qur'aan alone Moslems.

                    Hi,

                    What ever argument you bring e.g. verse interpretation , hadith, etc...only 2 are named in the Quran. You can imagine fancy names and fancy timing this won’t change this simple fact!!!

                    peace

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                      SniperX
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                      Iyyaka you have to understand that debating is not always roses and sweet milk. When you debate, its like entering a boxing match so the language can get tough and militant. But that is not something you should worry about. Focus more on the information, empiracle data or the evidence that is presented and then make your own decisions.

                      I am not defending anyone but the author should be more humble (as ade_cool suggests it) when he wrote in the introduction of the following document
                      "
                      Supreme Mathematics 19 (ENGLISH) download
                      https//drive.google.com/file/d/1iM6CCAXnE2NgcFzq7ZiBErhPXODRGhOF/view?usp
                      "
                      i quote him "The Al-Muddath-thir verse 30 which is Qur’aan 7430 says “Over it is nineteen.” This is the protective seal Allah has placed over the Qur'aan, which as protected and preserved the Qur'aan from any human interjections or tampering...."
                      => COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC / IRRELEVANT (like my intervention in this topic)

                      Nothing to do with the protection of the Quran.
                      This is about the "Saqar", one of the names of the HELL and its 19 guards ((of) the Fire).
                      Don't manipulate verse by isolating it from its textual context.

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                        SniperX
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                        Iyyaka you have to understand that debating is not always roses and sweet milk. When you debate, its like entering a boxing match so the language can get tough and militant. But that is not something you should worry about. Focus more on the information, empiracle data or the evidence that is presented and then make your own decisions.

                        I am not defending anyone but the author should be more humble (as ade_cool suggests it) when he wrote in the introduction of the following document
                        "
                        Supreme Mathematics 19 (ENGLISH) download
                        https//drive.google.com/file/d/1iM6CCAXnE2NgcFzq7ZiBErhPXODRGhOF/view?usp
                        "
                        i quote him "The Al-Muddath-thir verse 30 which is Qur’aan 7430 says “Over it is nineteen.” This is the protective seal Allah has placed over the Qur'aan, which as protected and preserved the Qur'aan from any human interjections or tampering...."
                        => COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC / IRRELEVANT (like my intervention in this topic)

                        Nothing to do with the protection of the Quran.
                        This is about the "Saqar", one of the names of the HELL and its 19 guards ((of) the Fire).
                        Don't manipulate verse by isolating it from its textual context.

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                          Iyyaka
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                          Iyyaka you have to understand that debating is not always roses and sweet milk. When you debate, its like entering a boxing match so the language can get tough and militant. But that is not something you should worry about. Focus more on the information, empiracle data or the evidence that is presented and then make your own decisions.

                          I have nothing to understand except that when it is clear there is no debate at all. As the author said in its document "FACTS are FACTS" (page 15 of "EXPOSING THE 3 SALAAT THEORY&quot, right ?
                          The author arrogantly criticizes the theory of the 3 prayers. Either. I criticize the numerological theory of the number 19 with textual evidence. That is all. As you said, I focus on the information in the text. So, focus more on the text, before the verse and after. Nothing magical. Then it is necessary to be more interested in the history and the religious environment of the beginning of the 7th century than in numerology to better understand certain aspects of the Quranic text.

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                            good_logic
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                            Debating is like a boxing match I hear you say?

                            Only in boxing some winners also loose. Some winners win by default. Some think they won when they clearly lost. ...etc.

                            I see GOD s argument winning all the time
                            1-We break into sects.
                            2- we ignore the main message and argue irrelevant parts of it
                            3- we climb on our high horse to please our ego.
                            4- we differ across each sect and generation on our take of the message.
                            5-We take sides/or argue with people instead of only taking GOD s side of "treating each other with respect and amicably"
                            ...Add your own to the list!

                            Now Where does GOD put the priority of unifying the believers?
                            In day to day living and socialising 6-151 to 1155. "Sirat Al Mustaqeem"
                            Ibada has nothing to do with Salat. Ibada is the straight path.
                            Salat is a personal trait of development that adds to our belief.
                            Iyyaka Naabudu-Straight path- Wa Iyyaka Nastaeen-Salat...-

                            So why debate "salat" ? Give your view and move on to concentrate on "your straight path" the number one priority.
                            The straight path will eventually lead to GOD s way "winning the argument against oneself! .
                            I believe we are boxing our "Kareen" one against the other . That is why we debate instead of "uniting through the straight path".
                            Irrelevant to me what people believe about Salat GOD Alone will sort the differences.

                            Whatever you do in the deen it is to yourself and between you and GOD Alone.
                            Keep up your study of Qoran and keep developing your Iman.
                            GOD bless you all
                            Peace.

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                              hawk99
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                              Debating is like a boxing match I hear you say?

                              Only in boxing some winners also loose. Some winners win by default. Some think they won when they clearly lost. ...etc.

                              I see GOD s argument winning all the time
                              1-We break into sects.
                              2- we ignore the main message and argue irrelevant parts of it
                              3- we climb on our high horse to please our ego.
                              4- we differ across each sect and generation on our take of the message.
                              5-We take sides/or argue with people instead of only taking GOD s side of "treating each other with respect and amicably"
                              ...Add your own to the list!

                              Now Where does GOD put the priority of unifying the believers?
                              In day to day living and socialising 6-151 to 1155. "Sirat Al Mustaqeem"
                              Ibada has nothing to do with Salat. Ibada is the straight path.
                              Salat is a personal trait of development that adds to our belief.
                              Iyyaka Naabudu-Straight path- Wa Iyyaka Nastaeen-Salat...-

                              So why debate "salat" ? Give your view and move on to concentrate on "your straight path" the number one priority.
                              The straight path will eventually lead to GOD s way "winning the argument against oneself! .
                              I believe we are boxing our "Kareen" one against the other . That is why we debate instead of "uniting through the straight path".
                              Irrelevant to me what people believe about Salat GOD Alone will sort the differences.

                              Whatever you do in the deen it is to yourself and between you and GOD Alone.
                              Keep up your study of Qoran and keep developing your Iman.
                              GOD bless you all
                              Peace.

                              Well said

                              Peace SniperX,

                              There is no argument, nothing to prove, how and when a person
                              contacts their lord is between them and their lord. Let's stop
                              fighting "boxing" among ourselves. You all are my brothers and sisters.

                              peace

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                                SniperX
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                                Hawk

                                A Muslim does not submit on his own will. A Muslim is supposed to submit to the will of Allah whom you Qur'aan alone Moslems call "God" so my point is that we as Muslims are supposed to follow the truth of the Qur'aan so we need to make sure that we observe Salaat correctly according to the Qur'aan. And in addition to this, your point conflicts with the Qur'aan. Why? Because Allah teaches us in the Qur'aan to debate, investigate information, seek truth, evidence. In closing Hawk don't be afraid of the information exposing the false 3 Salaat Theory.

                                Well said

                                Peace SniperX,

                                There is no argument, nothing to prove, how and when a person
                                contacts their lord is between them and their lord. Let's stop
                                fighting "boxing" among ourselves. You all are my brothers and sisters.

                                peace

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                                  good_logic
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                                  Peace SniperX..

                                  The efficient debate should be the evidence of the content of the argument presented. People then can wrestle with what is presented as "evidence" and present their own counter if they disagree.
                                  One should present their view with their evidence for people to accept or criticise and leave it at that.
                                  We have the same messenger in Qoran
                                  O people of the scripture, our messenger has come to you to proclaim for you many things you have concealed in the scripture, and to pardon many other transgressions you have committed. A beacon has come to you from God, and a profound scripture.
                                  يٰأَهلَ الكِتٰبِ قَد جاءَكُم رَسولُنا يُبَيِّنُ لَكُم كَثيرًا مِمّا كُنتُم تُخفونَ مِنَ الكِتٰبِ وَيَعفوا عَن كَثيرٍ قَد جاءَكُم مِنَ اللَّهِ نورٌ وَكِتٰبٌ مُبينٌ
                                  With it, God guides those who seek His approval. He guides them to the paths of peace, leads them out of darkness into the light by His leave, and guides them in a straight path.
                                  يَهدى بِهِ اللَّهُ مَنِ اتَّبَعَ رِضوٰنَهُ سُبُلَ السَّلٰمِ وَيُخرِجُهُم مِنَ الظُّلُمٰتِ إِلَى النّورِ بِإِذنِهِ وَيَهديهِم إِلىٰ صِرٰطٍ مُستَقيمٍ

                                  The profound scripture Qoran is here as a messenger for all of us. All past or future messengers since Qoran will only provide this same message ; To follow only GOD Alone and His guidance.

                                  Have w got the right priorities really? GOD does the guiding of the sincere not us!

                                  Salat,Zakat, Sawm...etc are a not the priority of the "deen", they may be useful help ,but the main point is our total submission to GOD Alone and our intentions, behaviour -i.e The straight path-.
                                  There is no other right religion that we are led to believe will save us . It is pointless doing salat, zakat ,sawm ..etc if we do not "straighten up- and follow GOD s path of justice, fairness, ...and kill our "ego/arrogance " by acknowledging that GOD Alone is the sole authority/power and Lord of everything. Strive to LOVE GOD AND LOVE EACH OTHER.

                                  Like this, clear in Qoran

                                  The only religion approved by God is "Submission to GOD s system /rule." Ironically, those who have received the scripture are the ones who dispute this fact, despite the knowledge they have received, due to jealousy. For such rejectors of God's revelations, God is most strict in reckoning.
                                  إِنَّ الدّينَ عِندَ اللَّهِ الإِسلٰمُ وَمَا اختَلَفَ الَّذينَ أوتُوا الكِتٰبَ إِلّا مِن بَعدِ ما جاءَهُمُ العِلمُ بَغيًا بَينَهُم وَمَن يَكفُر بِـٔايٰتِ اللَّهِ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ سَريعُ الحِسابِ
                                  If they argue with you, then say, "I have simply submitted myself to God; I and those who follow me." You shall proclaim to those who received the scripture, as well as those who did not, "Would you submit?" If they submit, then they have been guided, but if they turn away, your sole mission is to deliver this message. God is Seer of all people.
                                  فَإِن حاجّوكَ فَقُل أَسلَمتُ وَجهِىَ لِلَّهِ وَمَنِ اتَّبَعَنِ وَقُل لِلَّذينَ أوتُوا الكِتٰبَ وَالأُمِّيّـۧنَ ءَأَسلَمتُم فَإِن أَسلَموا فَقَدِ اهتَدَوا وَإِن تَوَلَّوا فَإِنَّما عَلَيكَ البَلٰغُ وَاللَّهُ بَصيرٌ بِالعِبادِ
                                  Those who have rejected God's revelations, and killed the prophets unjustly, and killed those who advocated justice among the people, promise them a painful retribution.
                                  إِنَّ الَّذينَ يَكفُرونَ بِـٔايٰتِ اللَّهِ وَيَقتُلونَ النَّبِيّـۧنَ بِغَيرِ حَقٍّ وَيَقتُلونَ الَّذينَ يَأمُرونَ بِالقِسطِ مِنَ النّاسِ فَبَشِّرهُم بِعَذابٍ أَليمٍ

                                  We may well argue about irrelevant details of Salat, Zakat, Sawm etc , but the main guiding factor and only authority is GOD Alone. Only by our sincere intentions and good conduct will we really strive for the good of ourselves and others.
                                  GOD does not want hypocrisy and rigid rules. GOD wants good people who strive to make themselves and others better .Peaceful, just, curious about good knowledge and caring .
                                  Or are we to go the way religions have gone and insist on our rigid ways and false sectarianism?

                                  "And do not believe except as those who follow your religion." Say, "The true guidance is God's guidance." If they claim that they have the same guidance, or argue with you about your Lord, say, "All grace is in God's hand; He bestows it upon whomever He wills." God is Bounteous, Omniscient.
                                  وَلا تُؤمِنوا إِلّا لِمَن تَبِعَ دينَكُم قُل إِنَّ الهُدىٰ هُدَى اللَّهِ أَن يُؤتىٰ أَحَدٌ مِثلَ ما أوتيتُم أَو يُحاجّوكُم عِندَ رَبِّكُم قُل إِنَّ الفَضلَ بِيَدِ اللَّهِ يُؤتيهِ مَن يَشاءُ وَاللَّهُ وٰسِعٌ عَليمٌ
                                  He specifies His mercy for whomever He wills; God possesses unlimited grace.
                                  يَختَصُّ بِرَحمَتِهِ مَن يَشاءُ وَاللَّهُ ذُو الفَضلِ العَظيمِ

                                  However you are entitled to your way.
                                  May the Lord guide us to His truth and make us better humans.
                                  GOD bless you.
                                  Peace.

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                                    There are two hadiyths that I'm trying to get a hold of from the Sunni sect. One hadiyth says you can make up your salaat at the end of the day and the other hadiyth I'm trying to find says that if a woman denies her husband sex she will be cursed from Allah or something like that. If anyone knows these hadiyths send them my way.

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                                      Salaam Good Logic

                                      You have said that the Salat,Zakat, Sawm...etc are a not the priority of the "deen". You are 100% wrong. A Muslim is supposed to follow the Qur'aan and in the Qur'aan Salaat, Zakaat Saum are required as part of our Deen. We are not supposed to be here picking and choosing what we think is important or not. We are supposed to follow the Qur'aan without distorting the teachings of the Qur'aan. What type of Muslims are over here???? It is our responsiblity to make sure that we observe Salaat, Zakaat, Saum, etc. etc. correctly as Allah has revealed it in the Qur'aan. You are just trying to leave loope holes for you to follow that distorted form of Salaat created by Freeminds or Monotheist Group. We are not supposed to follow your Hislam, we are supposed to follow Allah's prescribed Way Of Life which has been revealed in the Qur'aan.

                                      Peace SniperX..

                                      The efficient debate should be the evidence of the content of the argument presented. People then can wrestle with what is presented as "evidence" and present their own counter if they disagree.
                                      One should present their view with their evidence for people to accept or criticise and leave it at that.
                                      We have the same messenger in Qoran
                                      O people of the scripture, our messenger has come to you to proclaim for you many things you have concealed in the scripture, and to pardon many other transgressions you have committed. A beacon has come to you from God, and a profound scripture.
                                      يٰأَهلَ الكِتٰبِ قَد جاءَكُم رَسولُنا يُبَيِّنُ لَكُم كَثيرًا مِمّا كُنتُم تُخفونَ مِنَ الكِتٰبِ وَيَعفوا عَن كَثيرٍ قَد جاءَكُم مِنَ اللَّهِ نورٌ وَكِتٰبٌ مُبينٌ
                                      With it, God guides those who seek His approval. He guides them to the paths of peace, leads them out of darkness into the light by His leave, and guides them in a straight path.
                                      يَهدى بِهِ اللَّهُ مَنِ اتَّبَعَ رِضوٰنَهُ سُبُلَ السَّلٰمِ وَيُخرِجُهُم مِنَ الظُّلُمٰتِ إِلَى النّورِ بِإِذنِهِ وَيَهديهِم إِلىٰ صِرٰطٍ مُستَقيمٍ

                                      The profound scripture Qoran is here as a messenger for all of us. All past or future messengers since Qoran will only provide this same message ; To follow only GOD Alone and His guidance.

                                      Have w got the right priorities really? GOD does the guiding of the sincere not us!

                                      Salat,Zakat, Sawm...etc are a not the priority of the "deen", they may be useful help ,but the main point is our total submission to GOD Alone and our intentions, behaviour -i.e The straight path-.
                                      There is no other right religion that we are led to believe will save us . It is pointless doing salat, zakat ,sawm ..etc if we do not "straighten up- and follow GOD s path of justice, fairness, ...and kill our "ego/arrogance " by acknowledging that GOD Alone is the sole authority/power and Lord of everything. Strive to LOVE GOD AND LOVE EACH OTHER.

                                      Like this, clear in Qoran

                                      The only religion approved by God is "Submission to GOD s system /rule." Ironically, those who have received the scripture are the ones who dispute this fact, despite the knowledge they have received, due to jealousy. For such rejectors of God's revelations, God is most strict in reckoning.
                                      إِنَّ الدّينَ عِندَ اللَّهِ الإِسلٰمُ وَمَا اختَلَفَ الَّذينَ أوتُوا الكِتٰبَ إِلّا مِن بَعدِ ما جاءَهُمُ العِلمُ بَغيًا بَينَهُم وَمَن يَكفُر بِـٔايٰتِ اللَّهِ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ سَريعُ الحِسابِ
                                      If they argue with you, then say, "I have simply submitted myself to God; I and those who follow me." You shall proclaim to those who received the scripture, as well as those who did not, "Would you submit?" If they submit, then they have been guided, but if they turn away, your sole mission is to deliver this message. God is Seer of all people.
                                      فَإِن حاجّوكَ فَقُل أَسلَمتُ وَجهِىَ لِلَّهِ وَمَنِ اتَّبَعَنِ وَقُل لِلَّذينَ أوتُوا الكِتٰبَ وَالأُمِّيّـۧنَ ءَأَسلَمتُم فَإِن أَسلَموا فَقَدِ اهتَدَوا وَإِن تَوَلَّوا فَإِنَّما عَلَيكَ البَلٰغُ وَاللَّهُ بَصيرٌ بِالعِبادِ
                                      Those who have rejected God's revelations, and killed the prophets unjustly, and killed those who advocated justice among the people, promise them a painful retribution.
                                      إِنَّ الَّذينَ يَكفُرونَ بِـٔايٰتِ اللَّهِ وَيَقتُلونَ النَّبِيّـۧنَ بِغَيرِ حَقٍّ وَيَقتُلونَ الَّذينَ يَأمُرونَ بِالقِسطِ مِنَ النّاسِ فَبَشِّرهُم بِعَذابٍ أَليمٍ

                                      We may well argue about irrelevant details of Salat, Zakat, Sawm etc , but the main guiding factor and only authority is GOD Alone. Only by our sincere intentions and good conduct will we really strive for the good of ourselves and others.
                                      GOD does not want hypocrisy and rigid rules. GOD wants good people who strive to make themselves and others better .Peaceful, just, curious about good knowledge and caring .
                                      Or are we to go the way religions have gone and insist on our rigid ways and false sectarianism?

                                      "And do not believe except as those who follow your religion." Say, "The true guidance is God's guidance." If they claim that they have the same guidance, or argue with you about your Lord, say, "All grace is in God's hand; He bestows it upon whomever He wills." God is Bounteous, Omniscient.
                                      وَلا تُؤمِنوا إِلّا لِمَن تَبِعَ دينَكُم قُل إِنَّ الهُدىٰ هُدَى اللَّهِ أَن يُؤتىٰ أَحَدٌ مِثلَ ما أوتيتُم أَو يُحاجّوكُم عِندَ رَبِّكُم قُل إِنَّ الفَضلَ بِيَدِ اللَّهِ يُؤتيهِ مَن يَشاءُ وَاللَّهُ وٰسِعٌ عَليمٌ
                                      He specifies His mercy for whomever He wills; God possesses unlimited grace.
                                      يَختَصُّ بِرَحمَتِهِ مَن يَشاءُ وَاللَّهُ ذُو الفَضلِ العَظيمِ

                                      However you are entitled to your way.
                                      May the Lord guide us to His truth and make us better humans.
                                      GOD bless you.
                                      Peace.

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                                        Peace SniperX.

                                        You have the wrong information about the Salat I follow, quote

                                        "" You are just trying to leave loope holes for you to follow that distorted form of Salaat created by Freeminds or Monotheist Group. We are not supposed to follow your Hislam, we are supposed to follow Allah's prescribed Way Of Life which has been revealed in the Qur'aan."

                                        First.
                                        Free minds have many views about The Salat. Search and see the result of 0,2,3 or 5 daily Salat according to different views/understanding of members.
                                        So which one am I following?
                                        Second.
                                        I do not have a religion I want you or anyone else to follow, If you read my post properly I said this

                                        "here is no other right man made religion that we are led to believe will save us . It is pointless doing salat, zakat ,sawm ..etc if we do not "straighten up- and follow GOD s path of justice, fairness, ...and kill our "ego/arrogance " by acknowledging that GOD Alone is the sole authority/power and Lord of everything. Strive to LOVE GOD AND LOVE EACH OTHER.

                                        As for my take of the Salat - ,I connect to my creator 5 times daily. I am also trying my best to follow Qoran according to my understanding like you are with your understanding.

                                        I stick with my point that GOD S only religion according to Qoran is "iSLAM" -Submission and loyalty to GOD Alone- and that the straight path is the main priority for Muslims to GOD
                                        Islam to GOD is not the "Muslim religion that some claim or we have today".
                                        Islam is not defined as following all the qoran and its laws.
                                        Islam was the only DEEN accepted by GOD throughout the human history, is and will be.
                                        Islam existed way before Qoran and Mohammed.
                                        Islam to GOD is an invitation to all mankind to acknowledge and believe in the Creator with sincerity and honesty and accept GOD s guidance to become straight(follow the straight path). i.e an individual relationship/attitude to start the process of guidance from GOD.
                                        Islam to GOD is accepting The one GOD as authority .

                                        Religions are diverse and have different rules. Believers in Qoran may differ in rules than believers in bible or ...

                                        The only DEEN approved by God is "ISLAM." Ironically, those who have received the scripture are the ones who dispute this fact, despite the knowledge they have received, due to jealousy. For such rejectors of God's revelations, God is most strict in reckoning.
                                        إِنَّ الدّينَ عِندَ اللَّهِ الإِسلٰمُ وَمَا اختَلَفَ الَّذينَ أوتُوا الكِتٰبَ إِلّا مِن بَعدِ ما جاءَهُمُ العِلمُ بَغيًا بَينَهُم وَمَن يَكفُر بِـٔايٰتِ اللَّهِ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ سَريعُ الحِسابِ
                                        If they argue with you, then say, "I have simply ASLAMTU- submitted myself to God; I and those who follow me." You shall proclaim to those who received the scripture, as well as those who did not, "Would you submit?" If they submit, then they have been guided, but if they turn away, your sole mission is to deliver this message. God is Seer of all people.
                                        فَإِن حاجّوكَ فَقُل أَسلَمتُ وَجهِىَ لِلَّهِ وَمَنِ اتَّبَعَنِ وَقُل لِلَّذينَ أوتُوا الكِتٰبَ وَالأُمِّيّـۧنَ ءَأَسلَمتُم فَإِن أَسلَموا فَقَدِ اهتَدَوا وَإِن تَوَلَّوا فَإِنَّما عَلَيكَ البَلٰغُ وَاللَّهُ بَصيرٌ بِالعِبادِ

                                        For my part , I want to finish with respect and friendship towards you brother and all readers of this thread and ask the following,not to expect an answer ,but for reflection to all

                                        If Islam is defined as following Mohammed and the rules of his message ,which I do not find that in Qoran, then this needs to be reconciled.

                                        1- GOD makes it clear in Qoran that whoever accept ANY OTHER DEEN apart from ISLAm , will be with the losers.
                                        2- Yet iinforms us as follows
                                        Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the converts, and the Christians; any of them who (1) believe in God and (2) believe in the Last Day, and (3) lead a righteous life, have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
                                        إِنَّ الَّذينَ ءامَنوا وَالَّذينَ هادوا وَالصّٰبِـٔونَ وَالنَّصٰرىٰ مَن ءامَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَاليَومِ الـٔاخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صٰلِحًا فَلا خَوفٌ عَلَيهِم وَلا هُم يَحزَنونَ

                                        We need to identify Deen meanings from the context of Qoran to eliminate issues that faulty interpretations bring like contradictions.
                                        For me Deen can mean many things,system,millat Sharia, laws,...tec.
                                        GOD may have established a social Deen with Mohammed but added that he also approved the DEEN Islam like it was done by previous messengers throughout the human history.
                                        Submitting to GOD and following the straight path is the most important priority.
                                        If one follows Qoran ,then the Salat ,sawm...etc are a great help towards developing the soul.
                                        Hope you understand my point.

                                        GOD bless you.
                                        Peace.

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