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The kingdom of love,freedom and happiness.

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    good_logic
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    Peace Abdun Nur.
    Let us see where we differ, you will hopefully see the point I am making.

    I did a lot of thinking and reasoning and was like yourself frustrated with people -loads of them--for not thinking and reasoning like me.

    This is what humans do, they want their thinking and reasoning to be the ideal way and gather others to join them.
    This is what our systems and religions are doing. You are doing the same.
    Your way is the only right way.

    Can you see the irony? We impose our thinking and reasoning on others and forget the best way is to use it for ourselves . It will surely bare fruits if we are sound and others can then see and follow the example or not.

    Here are lots of questions to ponder

    Why do people not reason and think like me when I have the solution?
    Why are people poor and got problems when I have sorted myself?
    Why are people rich and keep getting rich when I have nothing even though I work hard?
    Why are some people millionaires when I can manage to live comfortably with a lot less?
    Why do some people live in slums and I....?
    Why are some born disabled and unable to think at all?
    Why...?

    You will then see the way humans think and reason. Most think their way is the best.
    Qoran says "save your own neck". This does not mean do not share and help others. But it means if you have straightened yourself and found a good way to live . Do it for you and your family and all those around you will see it and may share it with you if they see benefit in it.

    We unite by our good intentions , good works and good morals. Humble and respectful to all people regardless of their thinking and reasoning. if they are peaceful and minding their own business.
    The minute we think we have the "right" way and everybody else is "wrong" the easier we head for conflict and strife . Our ego will lead us thinking it is our real self!
    All we are doing is gathering our own sect.
    Think properly what I am saying to you brother and reason about the reality of things.

    You already belong to my "religion" . Everyone of us was one congregation with diverse thinking and reasoning but we broke up into sects. The religion of Love GOD and love your neighbour, do good and respect all peaceful people.
    GOD does not force this religion/way on anyone. We should not force ours either.
    Advertise your way and leave it at that.
    GOD bless you.
    Peace.

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      Neptin
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      I have been thinking about this for a while now. I agree with everything you have written. The truth is that this system is not difficult to achieve as long as the economy works well and there is no poverty.

      Fixing the economy or eliminating poverty won't solve anything. People will always want more money, however much they posses. And those who have plenty will always seek to retain as much as they can.

      And we can't have a perfect economy, poverty apparently is here to stay. Any attempt to eliminate poverty will breed economic problems. If you increase minimum wage, market prices soars. If you reduce market prices, labor supply will plummet. If you increase minimum wage and reduce market prices, businesses will crumble.

      People need to wake up. The world is a ruthless place. Equality, Justice, or Fairness is often never the default state and almost unattainable. Life always boils down to survival of the fittest, every man for himself.

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        good_logic
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        An example of an improving economy

        Rwanda has recently enjoyed strong economic growth rates, creating new business prospects and lifting people out of poverty. ... Rwanda's major foreign exchange earners include mining, tourism, coffee, and tea, and continued growth in these sectors will be critical for economic development and poverty reduction

        The economy of Rwanda has undergone rapid industrialisation due to a successful governmental policy. Since the early-2000s, Rwanda has witnessed an economic boom improving the living standards of many Rwandans. The Government's progressive visions have been the catalyst for the fast transforming economy.

        Rwanda was in the middle of an economic boom prior to the COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic. Economic growth exceeded 10% in 2019, driven mostly by large public investments for implementation of the National Strategy of Transformation.

        https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX0ozxrZlEQ

        GOD bless.
        Peace.

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          Neptin
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          An example of an improving economy

          Rwanda has recently enjoyed strong economic growth rates, creating new business prospects and lifting people out of poverty. ... Rwanda's major foreign exchange earners include mining, tourism, coffee, and tea, and continued growth in these sectors will be critical for economic development and poverty reduction

          The economy of Rwanda has undergone rapid industrialisation due to a successful governmental policy. Since the early-2000s, Rwanda has witnessed an economic boom improving the living standards of many Rwandans. The Government's progressive visions have been the catalyst for the fast transforming economy.

          Rwanda was in the middle of an economic boom prior to the COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic. Economic growth exceeded 10% in 2019, driven mostly by large public investments for implementation of the National Strategy of Transformation.

          https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX0ozxrZlEQ

          GOD bless.
          Peace.

          But there is still poverty in Rwanda, right? Economic boom are seldom permanent, there comes a point when recession set in.

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            Abdun_Nur
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            Again you are wrongly focused on the control, indoctrinated into you, an economy is the state of a country or region in terms of the production and consumption of goods and services and the supply of money. All these things are held in monopoly, this means when you have growth it is economic, nothing to do with the population, but all to do with the monopolists.

            Poverty and unemployment is needed in a system of economic slavery, it depresses wages, reduces demands for better conditions, and artificially increases the perceived value of money monopoly.

            The university system teaches a subject called economics, this exists to invent justifications for the monopolists, who hoard resources and restrict access, and logical fallacies are applied to create this university taught nonsense that exists only to make the five forms of usury appear acceptable.

            Riba or usury is the foundation of every monopolist, these parasites hold humanity in ignorance and poverty, perpetuating that fantasy of human nature being greed, hatred, contempt and extortion of others, is indoctrination, a system free of riba and you have no poverty.

            Riba is not trade. Trade is a reciprocal exchange of the fruits of your labour for the fruits of the labours of another,

            Usury is a one-sided extraction of the fruits of the labours of another, which has 5 basic forms, Debt (the interest demand for the use of money), profit (the interest demanded for the use of capital), rental (the interest demanded for the use of infrastructure), taxation (the interest demanded for the use of your labour), and ownership (the interest demanded for the use of land through the fiction of eminent domain)

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              good_logic
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              Peace Neptin.

              Of course there will be poverty. But the change is phenomenal.
              From complete chaos poverty and, destruction of communities to the most structured and booming economy..

              Something is working for them. Can you imagine if all Africa and the underdeveloped world do the same at least.
              I am not saying they have a perfect or even good system, I am saying eradicating extreme poverty and starvation of people is possible in our world.
              GOD bless you.
              Peace.

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                Abdun_Nur
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                The fiat money system itself is worthless

                Fiat means by decree, fiat money is created when the government decrees a money monopoly and the value of the fiat currency isn't representative of another asset or financial instrument such as gold, but has absolutely no value except the govern mental mafia decreeing it has value, and imposing that decreed money monopoly in settlement for goods or services.

                Only a bad medium of exchange requires force and monopoly, a good medium of exchange people would seek out independently.

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                  good_logic
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                  I can see a difference in leaders that are "puppets" and those who are "trying to be honest".You usually have a strong inclination where they stand in the respect table not only by what they say but what they do for their people and the rest of the world.
                  I have some respect for the Rwanda and the leader

                  https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltqGBt0Gdlk

                  Like I Said his people are the judge not me.
                  But I see a good example of someone trying to "better" his people. I do not see any hidden agenda even if some say the system they follow is monopolised.
                  GOD bless.
                  peace.

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                    Abdun_Nur
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                    As every Muslim is required fundamentally to be at war with all forms of riba, does someone who claims to be a Muslim and is protective, indulgent, invested or existing upon riba, a Muslim?

                    Can someone "not" at war with Riba be a Muslim at all?

                    I would say NO, they cannot in anyway be a Muslim!

                    If they are not at war with, and working against Riba in its five basic forms, how could they in anyway be Muslim?

                    This fundamental aspect of being Muslim is almost non-existent presently, that's 1.8 billion people that claim to be Muslims, and almost all of them are bare faced liars, hypocrites, deceivers, fraudsters and thieves in respect of riba.

                    Let me reiterate

                    Riba is not trade. Trade is a reciprocal exchange of the fruits of your labour for the fruits of the labours of another,

                    Usury is a one-sided extraction of the fruits of the labours of another, which has 5 basic forms, Debt (the interest demand for the use of money), profit (the interest demanded for the use of capital), rental (the interest demanded for the use of infrastructure), taxation (the interest demanded for the use of your labour), and ownership (the interest demanded for the use of land through the fiction of eminent domain)

                    Denial of what riba is seems to be how the hypocrites justify the false claim they're Muslim, but riba (usury) is well defined, they have perverted this to allow themselves to wallow in riba, redefined by the liars as excess interest!!!

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                      Leaders can be examined globally, in one of my articles I use an example in Hawaii, a road washed away, the govern mental mafia told the now isolated group of people they would have to wait 2 years (to justify the cost) and it would cost $20 million to fix, desperate they paid for the work to repair the washed away road themselves it took 2 weeks and cost around $20,000.

                      Another example in San Fransisco, the govern mental mafia paid for 300 tents that retailed at $50 each for the homeless, they charged the tax payer $62,500 per tent, now consider this is how every single govern mental transaction is done, this level of theft or greater, and you'll get some idea as to why you cannot defer your responsibilities to another, and why you should not surrender a share of your labours to fund these govern mental mafias.

                      Leader is desired by the child mind, they want to defer their responsibilities to a re-presentative.

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                        good_logic
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                        I am all for each to lead themselves and follow the straight path.
                        GOD bless you all.
                        Peace.

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