Malika...
-
Peace Green Anarchism..
Here is a conversation between two people at GOD sThey will come to each other, and confer with one another.
One of them will say, "I used to have a friend.
"He used to mockDo you believe all this? "After we die and turn into dust and bones, do we get called to account?' "
He will say, "Just take a look!"
When he looks, he will see his friend in the heart of Hell.*
He (will go to him and) say, "By God, you almost ruined me.
"If it were not for my Lord's blessing, I would have been with you now.
"(Do you still believe) that we die,
"only the first death, and we never receive any requital?
"
Brother,
Redemption by each individual is for themselves only This should be the Greatest TriumphSuch is the greatest triumph.
This is what every one of us should work for.Do you know where you will be then? Work for your redemption, I work for mine, brother jkhan will work for his like every other human will choose their own way. None of us is the other Wakeel, nor should we mock each other .
Malaika are recording us and will be witnessing . Let us see then what will be in store for us when it matters.
GOD bless you.
PeaceBrother GL...
Stupid can't be fixed... That's all I can say...
I am not an enemy of anyone here... I know how to deal with the mentality of each person...
God knows my intention...
Guided ones are much perceivable when they write in this forum...
And I am not a child who cannot understand the one who passes time at the expense of others..Advices won't work for stupids who claims others stupids...
If the intention of a person for guidance then speak directly with verses of God... If he or she fails to do so then such hilarious actions suits them... Some people try to be judge gor example Green Anarchism allegedly Mahdist... rotfl
Whatever... Keep advising if you want... They will never change... Their intention is very much manifest with the tone of what they write...
-
Salam Brother good logic,
My opinion you are wasting your time with this person.
Sectarian spirit with no way out (only God may help..).God bless you.
I was updating my spice collection when I realized that they all had expired, what a waste of thyme.
https//pbs.twimg.com/media/DhGxkLRUwAAEEeY.jpg
37
It is He who has sent down to you, , the Book; in it are verses precise -
they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is
deviation , they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking
an interpretation . And no one knows its interpretation except Allah.
But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All is from our Lord." And no one will be
reminded except those of understanding.We constantly debate or give our opinions of the unseen, to look behind the curtain, we can have
those discussions as long as we remember what is the hidden.peace
-
We constantly debate or give our opinions of the unseen, to look behind the curtain, we can have
those discussions as long as we remember what is the hidden.Salam hawk99,
For a debate you need that the other person at least "try to read honesty your post"
i quote good logic " thought I’d begin by reading your post, but then I thought, why should I? You never read any of mine.."
and the response from Green Anarchism "Yeah, why should I listen to moral relativism?".Yes you can give your opinions (or use this site to promote your ideologies - why not), but without denigrating the other or making fun of them in a perfidious way (sarcasm).
God bless you.
-
Brother GL and others.. ...
Just give little more thoughts with my question by comparing verses 8210-12 and 5016-18 what do you think...
They malaika know everything about us perhaps.. What actually the word Yalfizu means.. It occurs once.. Is it utter?
Salam Jkhan,
maybe you want to consider these following verses,4119 And the Day when the enemies of God will be gathered to the Fire, forcibly.
4120 When they come to it, their own hearing, eyes, and skins will bear witness to everything they had done.
4121 And they will say to their skins "Why did you bear witness against us?" They will say "God made us speak; He is the One who causes everything to speak. He is the One who has created you the first time, and to Him you return."
4122 And there was no way you could hide from the testimony of your own hearing, or your eyes, or your skins. In fact, you thought that God was unaware of much of what you do.
so it's not necessarily that Malaika will testify against us in the last day.
So if we check the verses that you mentioned,
5017 When the two receivers meet <yatalaqqā l-mutalaqiyāni> on the right and on the left.
5018 He does not utter a word except a watcher is constantly with him.
The hearing, the eyes, are also receivers, and they are located in the right and left. It could be them, since the verses didn't mention the word "malaika", and also in these following verses,
8210 And over you are those who recording <laḥāfiẓīna>
8211 Honorable scribes.
8212 They know what you do.
And even the word hafiz most of the time were translated as guardian (and most of the time refer to malaika), I prefer the other meaning as the ones I bold below,
Ha-Fa-Za = To preserve/guard/protect a thing, take care of a thing, prevent a thing from perishing, to be careful/mindful/regardful/attentive/considerate concerning a thing, to keep a thing, put in store, retain a thing, learn a thing by heart (commit to memory), to remember, to defend, keep a thing from getting lost, to be observant or watchful, apply oneself/assiduously/constantly/perseveringly, vigilant or heedful, to anger a person or be angered.
Peace
-
Salam Jkhan,
maybe you want to consider these following verses,4119 And the Day when the enemies of God will be gathered to the Fire, forcibly.
4120 When they come to it, their own hearing, eyes, and skins will bear witness to everything they had done.
4121 And they will say to their skins "Why did you bear witness against us?" They will say "God made us speak; He is the One who causes everything to speak. He is the One who has created you the first time, and to Him you return."
4122 And there was no way you could hide from the testimony of your own hearing, or your eyes, or your skins. In fact, you thought that God was unaware of much of what you do.
so it's not necessarily that Malaika will testify against us in the last day.
So if we check the verses that you mentioned,
5017 When the two receivers meet <yatalaqqā l-mutalaqiyāni> on the right and on the left.
5018 He does not utter a word except a watcher is constantly with him.
The hearing, the eyes, are also receivers, and they are located in the right and left. It could be them, since the verses didn't mention the word "malaika", and also in these following verses,
8210 And over you are those who recording <laḥāfiẓīna>
8211 Honorable scribes.
8212 They know what you do.
And even the word hafiz most of the time were translated as guardian (and most of the time refer to malaika), I prefer the other meaning as the ones I bold below,
Ha-Fa-Za = To preserve/guard/protect a thing, take care of a thing, prevent a thing from perishing, to be careful/mindful/regardful/attentive/considerate concerning a thing, to keep a thing, put in store, retain a thing, learn a thing by heart (commit to memory), to remember, to defend, keep a thing from getting lost, to be observant or watchful, apply oneself/assiduously/constantly/perseveringly, vigilant or heedful, to anger a person or be angered.
Peace
Peace.. Brother...
Yes those are wonderful verses...
But my extreme concern was the capacity of malaika not how we our body testifies on the day of judgement... We ourself will accept on that day everything... That's more than enough to cast one into hell... Even malaika record or not God alone is enough to decide since He witnesses everything...
But malaika who are assigned on everyone to record has been given the capacity record precisely... And that same record book would be at the hands of every individual on that day and on it nothing will be left out.... To leave out nothing on a book which is the biography of a person then the one who wrote should have massive capacity... Including to know what we think in our hearts
.... That's my point... Thank you brother for your comments.. Valuable as always.
God bless us.. -
But my extreme concern was the capacity of malaika not how we our body testifies on the day of judgement...
But malaika who are assigned on everyone to record has been given the capacity record precisely...
God bless us..Salam Jkhan,
yes, I got your point. I was thinking the same the whole time, until I realize that the things God Called "Receivers" is not the Malaika, but our hearing and eyes, they are sitting on the right and left all the time as part of our body, and will testify against us on the last day.The word Malaika is also recorded in my mind, because when I was a child, teachers at school taught me that there were two angels sitting on my right and left shoulders who recorded everything I did .
But it's up to you brother.
Peace.
-
Salam Jkhan,
yes, I got your point. I was thinking the same the whole time, until I realize that the things God Called "Receivers" is not the Malaika, but our hearing and eyes, they are sitting on the right and left all the time as part of our body, and will testify against us on the last day.The word Malaika is also recorded in my mind, because when I was a child, teachers at school taught me that there were two angels sitting on my right and left shoulders who recorded everything I did .
But it's up to you brother.
Peace.
1061 "And, , you are not in any matter or recite any of the Qur'an and you do not do any deed except that We are witness over you when you are involved in it. And not absent from your Lord is any of an atom's weight within the earth or within the heaven or smaller than that or greater but that it is in a clear register."
661 "He is Dominant over all His creatures and He sends guards to watch over you until death approaches you. Then His angelic Messengers will, without fail, take away your souls."
4380 " Or do they think that We hear not their secrets and their private conversations? Yes, , and Our messengers are with them recording."
Peace...
I appreciate your way of thought... But Quran cannot be neglected and cannot be taken for granted... We all can ponder but we should conclude within Quran... So unfortunately I am not with your opinion which is against Quran...
Hands and eyes are there in right and left.. Fine.. They OR all organs probably may witness against the evil disbelievers in the day of judgement... But recording is must and that take place through noble angels.. That you can't deny brother..
Just take look above verses... If my previous verses not enough in case..
Look at the verse 4380 ... It is clearly stated Messengers do record..It is not that I'm against your view always but unfortunately for you, I am with Quran and QURAN always speaks the truth and not our understanding...
If you still insist that there is no malaika (literally messengers) recording 24/7 then it is fine your view.. But revisit quran and come back to me.. That's worthy as a believer...
Infront of truth I am always bending my head... Coz beyond truth nothing there......Warusuluna ladaihim yakthabun.... 4380
-
If you still insist that there is no malaika (literally messengers) recording 24/7 then it is fine your view.. But revisit quran and come back to me.. That's worthy as a believer...
Infront of truth I am always bending my head... Coz beyond truth nothing there......Warusuluna ladaihim yakthabun.... 4380
Salam Jkhan,
yes you're right. I'm not insist on that. I just make comments about the verses that you quoted, 5017 and 8210, that they are not necessarily Malaika. I am fully aware of that, and there will be a book for us.1713 And We have attached to the neck of every human being his deeds, and We bring forth for him a record <kitaban> on the Day of Resurrection which he will find on display.
1714 Read your record <kitabaka>! It is sufficient for you that you are aware of yourself today.
Peace
-
Peace Iyyaka.
I hope no one here thinks good logic does not read their posts/replies/views...
I have no problem with anyone whether they read my posts, ignore them or mock them..
I have no issue with GA or anyone else ,I hope he recognises the lightheartedness that I use with him, I am not being sarcastic with him, just a little humour that goes back since his days as "Mahdi".
I ask forgiveness from anyone who has any inkling that I use sarcasm or mock any of their post/view.
I read all the posts that I reply to and many of those that I do not take part in. I hope my intention is always the curiosity to learn and take the best of what is said.. Of course I also give my opinion and share stuff.Just thought I clarify that I have nothing but love and good intention towards all brothers and sisters here, and I apologise if I misunderstood you , offended you or anyone else.
GOD bless you.
Peace brother. -
Peace Iyyaka.
I hope no one here thinks good logic does not read their posts/replies/views...
I have no problem with anyone whether they read my posts, ignore them or mock them..
I have no issue with GA or anyone else ,I hope he recognises the lightheartedness that I use with him, I am not being sarcastic with him, just a little humour that goes back since his days as "Mahdi".
I ask forgiveness from anyone who has any inkling that I use sarcasm or mock any of their post/view.
I read all the posts that I reply to and many of those that I do not take part in. I hope my intention is always the curiosity to learn and take the best of what is said.. Of course I also give my opinion and share stuff.Just thought I clarify that I have nothing but love and good intention towards all brothers and sisters here, and I apologise if I misunderstood you , offended you or anyone else.
GOD bless you.
Peace brother.Peace brother GL,
Sorry but I don't really understand your reaction.
Yes you're a good guy.
I probably misspoke then.God bless you.
-
Sorry I misunderstood you.
I thought you hinted at sarcasm between me and GA. when I joked that I was not going to read his post.
I was not sure.
I was clarifying that I read all posts when I reply.
Do not worry ,my fault.
GOD bless you.
Peace.