Are there only Middle-Eastern and Indian Holy Scriptures? Where are the Books..
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Peace Jafar.
You say ,quote
"What if you were born when even the script was not yet invented?
What if you were born today within the society where they up until today don't recognize any form of script?"How did the first humans learn anything? Who taught them?
GOD did not create humans without a good reason. He created for them a place to live and reproduce He created for them all they required for life . He shaped man to the capacity to reason, and taught him things he needs Then GOD sent them His guidance .GOD s guidance was available since the beginning. Man however deviated and innovated false religions.
Do you know a language or a tribe that do not have a word "GOD/creator" in their language?
Do you think the first humans did not need to learn like when you were born as a baby and you were taught what you know now? So who did this for them?How can you say this, quote
"I've mentioned above that even the notion of "Gods wrote a written material" was first invented by Babylonian religion. Ponder then about the objective on WHY they even invented such concept."You also ponder how man first walked this earth and where did the knowledge to do anything come from?
GOD bless you.
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Peace Jafar.
You say ,quote
"What if you were born when even the script was not yet invented?
What if you were born today within the society where they up until today don't recognize any form of script?"How did the first humans learn anything? Who taught them?
GOD did not create humans without a good reason. He created for them a place to live and reproduce He created for them all they required for life . He shaped man to the capacity to reason, and taught him things he needs Then GOD sent them His guidance .GOD s guidance was available since the beginning. Man however deviated and innovated false religions.
Do you know a language or a tribe that do not have a word "GOD/creator" in their language?
Do you think the first humans did not need to learn like when you were born as a baby and you were taught what you know now? So who did this for them?How can you say this, quote
"I've mentioned above that even the notion of "Gods wrote a written material" was first invented by Babylonian religion. Ponder then about the objective on WHY they even invented such concept."You also ponder how man first walked this earth and where did the knowledge to do anything come from?
GOD bless you.
Pace.Adam first walked with God and did teach hes children the way of God. Have you ever read the Torah? Adam lived just 6000 +/- years ago.
I believe the universe was created in six periods (billions of years) and that the creatures on earth evolved from a bacteria and after millions of years the evolution brought what it brought us. But i believe that Adam was created out of nothing with water and earth, similarly Jesus was created like that as well and that we were put here on this earth after everything was ready for a habitat that suits us. God showed us that He can create human beings out of nothing.
How else do you think human beings started with the lifespan of 900+? Adam became 930 if we read the Torah, Noah became 950 if we read the Torah and the Quran. The first generation of human beings became 900+. But the generations after them started sinning more and more, so that's why their lifespans became shorter and shorted every generation. Read the Torah. Then God said that human beings will not become older then 120 years old in general. All because of us our sins.
You can't ignore this. Or you did not understand the Quran when it says that Noah was 950 years old. The Quran says the Torah and Injeel are a Guidance and Light for a reason. We can find the history of Adam in the Torah, which is being confirmed in the Injeel and the Quran.
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Please give the verses of Qoran that confirm this for you,quote
"How else do you think human beings started with the lifespan of 900+? Adam became 930 if we read the Torah, Noah became 950 if we read the Torah and the Quran. The first generation of human beings became 900+. But the generations after them started sinning more and more, so that's why their lifespans became shorter and shorted every generation. Read the Torah. Then God said that human beings will not become older then 120 years old in general. All because of us our sins.
You can't ignore this. Or you did not understand the Quran when it says that Noah was 950 years old. The Quran says the Torah and Injeel are a Guidance and Light for a reason. We can find the history of Adam in the Torah, which is being confirmed in the Injeel and the Quran.GOD bless you.
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Please give the verses of Qoran that confirm this for you,quote
"How else do you think human beings started with the lifespan of 900+? Adam became 930 if we read the Torah, Noah became 950 if we read the Torah and the Quran. The first generation of human beings became 900+. But the generations after them started sinning more and more, so that's why their lifespans became shorter and shorted every generation. Read the Torah. Then God said that human beings will not become older then 120 years old in general. All because of us our sins.
You can't ignore this. Or you did not understand the Quran when it says that Noah was 950 years old. The Quran says the Torah and Injeel are a Guidance and Light for a reason. We can find the history of Adam in the Torah, which is being confirmed in the Injeel and the Quran.GOD bless you.
Peace.A translation of the Torah - Genesis 55 “And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years and he died.” 58 Altogether, Seth lived a total of 912 years, and then he died. 511 Altogether, Enosh lived a total of 905 years, and then he died. 514 Altogether, Kenan lived a total of 910 years, and then he died. 517 Altogether, Mahalalel lived a total of 895 years, and then he died. 523 Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. 526 Altogether, Jared lived a total of 962 years, and then he died. 527 Altogether, Methuselah lived a total of 969 years, and then he died. 929 Noah lived a total of 950 years, and then he died. 531 Altogether, Lamech lived a total of 777 years, and then he died.
Genesis 1111 And after he became the father of Arphaxad, Shem lived 500 years and had other sons and daughters. 1117 And after he became the father of Peleg, Eber lived 430 years and had other sons and daughters. 1113 And after he became the father of Shelah, Arphaxad lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters. 1115 And after he became the father of Eber, Shelah lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters. 1119 And after he became the father of Reu, Peleg lived 209 years and had other sons and daughters. 1121 And after he became the father of Serug, Reu lived 207 years and had other sons and daughters.
Etc. Etc. Etc. I have so many more names from the Torah.
A translation of the Quran - 2914 And We had sent Noah to his people, so he stayed with them one thousand years less fifty. Then the flood took them while they were wicked.
2285 The messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord; and the believers, all who believe in God, and His angels, and His Books, and His messengers "We do not make a distinction between any of His messengers;" and they said "We hear and obey, forgive us our Lord, and to you is our destiny."
547 And let the people of the Gospel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked. 568 Say "O people of the Book, you are not upon anything until you uphold the Torah and the Gospel and what was sent down to you from your Lord." And for many of them, what was sent down to you from your Lord will only increase them in transgression and rejection. So do not feel sorry for the rejecting people.
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Brother you are quoting from the bible.
568 IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BIBLE.
It is talking about the Torah sent through the prophets of Beni Israel and the Injeel sent through Jesus -GOD s words-.
GOD did not send any prophet with the bible.
Or you mean these scriptures were copied in the bible exactly as GOD sent them?
The verse about Noah was discussed with you here . I disagree with that translation.
GOD bless you.
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Brother you are quoting from the bible.
568 IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BIBLE.
It is talking about the Torah sent through the prophets of Beni Israel and the Injeel sent through Jesus -GOD s words-.
GOD did not send any prophet with the bible.
Or you mean these scriptures were copied in the bible exactly as GOD sent them?
The verse about Noah was discussed with you here . I disagree with that translation.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Don't worry about me. I know how to read the verse in Arabic and i have faith in both the Torah, Zabur, Injeel and the Quran !
May God guide you.
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Which prophet delivered the bible?
God’s scriptures have been delivered by His specially appointed messengers called Prophets such as Noah, Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, David, Moses, John, Jesus and Muhammad, to name a few and other messengers. Since the reason for creation and primary role of all humans is the same, the essence of all scriptures from God is also the same.However, as per God’s will and knowledge, different communities in different eras have needed different kinds of tests and conditions to fulfill in order to redeem themselves to God. The scripture they received would have all the information required for that. But other than certain laws, rites, practices, examples and other information that were local and relevant to the community that received a scripture, the principles of monotheism and how to lead a righteous life are common to all scriptures from God.
Therefore, the only differences between God’s scriptures are in the laws and information that was meant specifically for the community that received their scripture.
As the human population increased and progressed, God sent additional scriptures in accordance with His knowledge of what each community of people needed at that time to succeed. For some, they would be receiving a scripture for the first time. For others, it would be an update of a scripture sent earlier. This update could contain new, revoked or modified instructions; a reiteration of practices to be continued; or a restoration of some information that became lost or corrupted over time..
The important thing to know about God’s process of sending scriptures in succession is that every community is required to follow the scripture when it comes to them, even if it means no longer following what they were following up till then.
Since the Quran is God’s final message to the human race till the end of the world, GOD has preserved its content exactly as it was from when it was revealed to Prophet Muhammad. Unlike all other scriptures from God which have been afflicted with several distortions or lost some of their content over time, the Quran is the only scripture in existence that is intact, down to every letter. Not a single piece of information is missing or altered from the original Arabic text, the language in which it was revealed.
Following Qoran is following Torah, Zabur , Injeel or any past scripture. It confirms them all.
Since you can read Qoran, it tells you clearly that it is GOD s scripture and guidance for the whole world confirming all other past scriptures.GOD closed all the arguments about authenticity of past scriptures by sending us a final scripture and preserving it for all coming generations.
GOD bless you.
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Are there only Middle-Eastern and Indian Holy Scriptures?
Where are the Messengers of other nations such as the white Western nations Europe and Russia? Where are the Messengers of the black Africans? Where are the Messengers of the Asian nations?
Is religion something that came out of the Middle-East/India? Why are there basically only Books for the Middle-Eastern people, Indians and a minority of the Asian people?
Where are the Books of the white western people and where are the Books of the black African people?Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you dont find some books in some areas that does not mean there never were any. Also, who told you that every so called messenger everywhere in the world always brought a book, and that they were written down by someone and they should exist in readable form?
What you have done is made some statements in the pretext of questions based on an absolutely false premise.
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you dont find some books in some areas that does not mean there never were any. Also, who told you that every so called messenger everywhere in the world always brought a book, and that they were written down by someone and they should exist in readable form?
What you have done is made some statements in the pretext of questions based on an absolutely false premise.
How are you going to bring the message to other generations if you were an African messenger (2500 years ago) and if you wouldn't let a Book be written? How are you going to bring the message to other generations if you were a Western white messenger (2500 years ago) and if you wouldn't let a Book be written?
What about people who can't travel to the city of the messenger? What if you came to most Southern place in Africa 2500 years ago? How are people going to hear from you if they are living in other places of Africa? Do you really think narrations are going to be preserved of this message? Same question can be applied to a messenger who came 2500 years ago to a place somewhere in modern Russia..
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Which prophet delivered the bible?
God’s scriptures have been delivered by His specially appointed messengers called Prophets such as Noah, Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, David, Moses, John, Jesus and Muhammad, to name a few and other messengers. Since the reason for creation and primary role of all humans is the same, the essence of all scriptures from God is also the same.However, as per God’s will and knowledge, different communities in different eras have needed different kinds of tests and conditions to fulfill in order to redeem themselves to God. The scripture they received would have all the information required for that. But other than certain laws, rites, practices, examples and other information that were local and relevant to the community that received a scripture, the principles of monotheism and how to lead a righteous life are common to all scriptures from God.
Therefore, the only differences between God’s scriptures are in the laws and information that was meant specifically for the community that received their scripture.
As the human population increased and progressed, God sent additional scriptures in accordance with His knowledge of what each community of people needed at that time to succeed. For some, they would be receiving a scripture for the first time. For others, it would be an update of a scripture sent earlier. This update could contain new, revoked or modified instructions; a reiteration of practices to be continued; or a restoration of some information that became lost or corrupted over time..
The important thing to know about God’s process of sending scriptures in succession is that every community is required to follow the scripture when it comes to them, even if it means no longer following what they were following up till then.
Since the Quran is God’s final message to the human race till the end of the world, GOD has preserved its content exactly as it was from when it was revealed to Prophet Muhammad. Unlike all other scriptures from God which have been afflicted with several distortions or lost some of their content over time, the Quran is the only scripture in existence that is intact, down to every letter. Not a single piece of information is missing or altered from the original Arabic text, the language in which it was revealed.
Following Qoran is following Torah, Zabur , Injeel or any past scripture. It confirms them all.
Since you can read Qoran, it tells you clearly that it is GOD s scripture and guidance for the whole world confirming all other past scriptures.GOD closed all the arguments about authenticity of past scriptures by sending us a final scripture and preserving it for all coming generations.
GOD bless you.
Peace.If i want to read the Torah and Psalms i can read an interlinear Hebrew translation. If i want to read the Injeel i can read an interlinear Greek translation. If i want to read the Quran i can read it in Arabic because i know some Arabic.
The Monotheist Group (The Quran A Monotheist Translation)
2285 The messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord; and the believers, all who believe in God, and His angels, and His Books, and His messengers "We do not make a distinction between any of His messengers;" and they said "We hear and obey, forgive us our Lord, and to you is our destiny."546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of the Torah. And We gave him the Gospel, in it is a guidance and a light, and authenticating what was present with him of the Torah, and a guidance and a lesson for the righteous. 547 And let the people of the Gospel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.
568 Say "O people of the Book, you are not upon anything until you uphold the Torah and the Gospel and what was sent down to you from your Lord." And for many of them, what was sent down to you from your Lord will only increase them in transgression and rejection. So do not feel sorry for the rejecting people.
2946 And do not argue with the people of the Book except in that which is better; except for those who are wicked among them; and say "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is the same; to Him we submit."
Every nation that was send a Book should follow their Book, else they have no bases. It doesn't hurt to read the Books of other nations. The Quran is very clear, God and Muhammad tell the Israelites and Christians to uphold their Books, else they have no bases. God and Muhammad tell the people of the Injeel to judge with it.
Don't try to put out the Light of God with your mouth. If you are not interested in the other Scriptures, then at least respect others who want to read them as well. -
All GOD s scriptures are the same . They all contain GODs message of submission to Him Alone
While the Quran is associated with Muslims, it is actually a scripture from God for the whole world. Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, and everyone from all religions and faiths are equal inheritors and audience of the Quran’s message. It is their scripture as much as the Muslims and can be followed in any language.
All scriptures from God are based on the theme of monotheism—which is belief in only One God—and contain a complete system of Submission to Him ALONE.
“Submission” is the religion whereby we recognize God’s absolute authority, and reach an unshakable conviction that God alone possesses all power; no other entity possesses any power that is independent of Him.
The natural result of such a realization is to devote our lives and our service absolutely to God ALONE. This is the First Commandment in all the scriptures, including the Torah , The Zabur,..the Injeel and God’s Final Testament, the Quran.
An unfortunate fact about the human race is that whenever God has sent them His scripture/ guidance, they have almost always ended up disregarding it, leading to loss or corruption of the scripture. It is an acknowledged fact that several passages across God’s scriptures are missing or have been injected with alterations never decreed by God. That is one of the reasons why there are so many sects and ideologies across religions with everyone believing that what they have is the right information to follow. And this is the reason GOD has preserved the last scripture.
However, some missing information or few inaccuracies isn’t a reason not to follow God’s guidance. For those who really wish to be guided by God, He will guide them in the right path and make them recognize the truth that very much exists in His scriptures, despite the distortions afflicting them.
The problem is that people do not want to follow God’s guidance in the first place. What they really seem to want to follow is their own opinion or what they find convenient to follow from whatever they blindly inherited from their parents.
All scriptures from God guarantee dignity, happiness and success for those who uphold His guidance. The great prize of course is an unimaginable joyous existence in the Hereafter forever. On the other hand, those who disregard God’s guidance will experience chaos, animosity and misery in their lives individually and collectively. This is evident from the unhappy state of the world today across all religions and societies.
Qoran is just a continuation and a confirmation of all past scriptures
Therefore, with Qoran as a common scripture for all people, the future is not really about being a Jew, Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Sikh, Zoroastrian, or anyone else. These are just generic terms that identify people by their religious lineage today. They don’t determine whether the people actually know much about, or follow the religion they were brought up under. The future is really about choosing total Submission to God alone or not. God’s guidance is available to everyone and He alone will Judge them equitably.
And this is why the Quran is not a Muslim Book, or a scripture only meant for those who are known as Muslims today. The Quran is God’s book of Submission to Him ALONE for all people to lead a happy life on Earth and achieve success in the Hereafter.
Also I am happy that you read Torah, Zanur and Injeel as well. I have no objection brother, I believe in all GOD s scriptures .
GOD bless you.
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The entire notion of God(s) wrote a book only exist in the western hemisphere.
I mean the notion of there's such thing as book written by God vis-a-vis books that are NOT written by God.
Such SEPARATION is key to promote the SUPERIORITY of specific books as such that the other books are INFERIOR because it was not written by God.Such notion was started or invented in Mesopotamia by the Babylonian (today's Iraq).
And it's discussed in length here
Mesopotamia The Birthplace Of Military, Empire and Religion
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610198.0Due to it's 'success' in terms of controlling the populace, it was then regarded as 'best practices' and then followed by subsequent empire / kingdom. Including Persian Empire, Egyptian Empire, Judean Kingdom, Roman Empire and Arab Caliphate to name a few.
PS In regards to "Indian Holy Scriptures" there are many scriptures in what's known today as India, but no one really promote a dogma that any of it was 'written by God' as such that the other books was 'NOT written by God'. For example the book titled Veda was initially compiled by Vyasa and so does the highly regarded scriptures such as the Gita which was part of an epic works titled Mahabharata supposedly also compiled by Vyasa.
Indeed, God informed us there are people who wrote The Book with their hands and claiming it is from God for a small gain.
And among them are ummi who do not know The Book except by hearsay, and they only conjecture.
So woe to those who write The Book with their hands then say "This is from God," so that they can purchase with it a cheap price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they gained.Those people who wrote The Book with their own hands were basically taking advantage of the fact that among Bani Israil (people who are given The Book) are ummi. Ummi do not know The Book except by hearsay hence they are prone to be deceived (to understand how prone they are to be deceived, just observe how majority of Sunni nowadays are deceived to believe that for example stoning adulterers are from God).
Things to note is the gain is not small. Those people who wrote The Book with their own hands were able to come to power, control the masses, reach high status in society, accumulate wealth, etc. The reason God calls it small gain is because they will end up in hell being tortured.