Does quran says humans think by heart?

Mahdi20

Peace, sorry , i forget something

U said Can you tell me when God says we sealed their heart(qalb?)and what does it mean?

It simply means when someone rejects the truth, so many times, his mind gets used to it, and he will not understand the truth any more.

jkhan

Peace brother

You saidI would ask a question from brother Mahdi young fellow and all.. Allah says in Quran when he wants to create something He says "BE" and it is.. Is that possible according to science.. Just say and it is.. Lol.. I don't think it is possible according to science.. No way.. Science cannot accept it.. No way..

You take this literally? Do You think that God speak? Its first time that i see someone take this verse literally

If you think that you think by your heart, it just shows that your biology education is below highschool level

I should remember that if God willing one day i became a doctor, i must replace your heart by a heart of biology professor, cuz after it you will become a biology professor rotfl bravo yeah

Free minds logo according to jkhan

https//s4.uupload.ir/files/45485a5f-3cd8-485e-a256-b803cefc7613_j5yh.jpeg

peace rotfl

Why shouldn't I take it literally? Has Allah privately told you that it's mataphore...

There is nothing in God's will and you becoming a doctor in the future.. You work hard if you want to become a doctor. Your understanding of will of God and my understanding of will of God is completely different. And don't ask what.. Coz I have debated that thoroughly if you want search.. .

That's what in advance I said.. Let people mock.. Coz at a believer if not mocked that's strange... So heart doesn't think.. Okay.. Why not say directly Quran is wrong rather than draging to no man's land..
Nonsensical approach...

Mahdi20

Peace,

My understanding of God willing=If actions that i do is according to The law that God has placed in universe,

U said Coz at a believer if not mocked that's strange

Its not about being believer or atheist or etc…

Its about rejecting the facts and truths without even studying about it, it is the same thing that christian priests and others did when they heard someone says earth isnt flat and sun doesnt revolves around earth, people wont mock you if you study something and came with a result that majority doesnt accept, but people mock if you doesnt study about something, and making funny theories without having knowledge in it,

Peace.

jkhan

Peace,

My understanding of God willing=If actions that i do is according to The law that God has placed in universe,

U said Coz at a believer if not mocked that's strange

Its not about being believer or atheist or etc…

Its about rejecting the facts and truths without even studying about it, it is the same thing that christian priests and others did when they heard someone says earth isnt flat and sun doesnt revolves around earth, people wont mock you if you study something and came with a result that majority doesnt accept, but people mock if you doesnt study about something, and making funny theories without having knowledge in it,

Peace.

How eccentric your comments are... Did I speak science here? I spoke what is written in Quran.. Coz I am not fan of science and compare it with Quran ...

So science proves brain... Prove then Quran doesn't say that actual heart doesn't perceive / reason? Are you guys blind not even understand straightforward Quranic verses...

Oops.. I have studied enough brother..but I don't accept everything what I have been taught.. No place for brainwash in the name of education...

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.

So if the answer to "does Qoran say human think by heart" is no according to you. Why are you even asking it? it must be nonsense to you if it meant to be literally according to science.
If people are giving you different views,it does not mean they are giving you facts that you must accept
So what is the problem?

Or do you mean there must be a different interpretation that you seek?
Have you any idea?
Because the way I see it it is either a metaphor, literal or both.
If you say it is not real, and cannot be both . It must be a metaphor. Or is there another explanation?
Or Qoran is saying nonsense ,then it must be taken as that and one should not believe Qoran in this case.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Mahdi20

Peace jkhan,

U said Prove then Quran doesn't say that actual heart doesn't perceive / reason?

If i was able to do this with my limited knowledge in arabic, i wouldnt ask this question in this question here, if i asked it here it means i wasnt able to prove this.

Peace good logic

UsaidSo if the answer to "does Qoran say human think by heart" is no according to you. Why are you even asking it?

Im not 100% sure that quran doesnt say that, if i was 100% sure i wouldnt asked this here as you noted, my understanding is Quran is a book from God and God(which knows reality of everything) will not say a thing which is false according to reality

U said If people are giving you different views,it does not mean they are giving you facts that you must accept
So what is the problem?

Where i said that everything thay people say here i must accept 100%?

Peace

jkhan

Salam everyone, I hope that all of you are healthy

When i was reading quran, i noticed that in all of the quran thinking is related to heart(qalb) not brain, above all the 2246 says that this qalb are in chests(sadr) what is the explanation here? Does it means that Quran says that source of thinking is heart?(which is not) the answers in internet arent convincing, some of them says that Science is wrong and quran is correct and we dont accept the science ,and some of them copy pasted an article that says heart have 40000 neurons and it can think(honestly if you show this article to any medical doctor or college professor she/he will just laugh to you)

I hope that you guys can help about the meaning

Thanks, peace

This is your initial thread... So do you really say in your last thread you can't answer...
You are convinced ambiguous fellow... You are darting around.. You are having fun..
You very well know that heart is the one Quran's poiny of view.. But act you are confused.. No.. You want to prove QURAN is wrong.. It is obvious. Even you say No.. Words you have written is what is inside your HEART.. coz it was spontaneous...

good_logic

Peace Mahdi.
What I am saying is you must be 100% sure that the heart does not think or play any part in our thinking or are you not?

So what can Qoran mean then if not metaphor?

I am also saying I am not sure science has completed all the knowledge about the brain and the heart because new researchers are still coming up with new findings about the brain and heart and the connection between them.
What I am sure about is that so far Qoran has stood the scrutiny of proven science. in many fields.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Mahdi20

This is your initial thread... So do you really say in your last thread you can't answer...
You are convinced ambiguous fellow... You are darting around.. You are having fun..
You very well know that heart is the one Quran's poiny of view.. But act you are confused.. No.. You want to prove QURAN is wrong.. It is obvious. Even you say No.. Words you have written is what is inside your HEART.. coz it was spontaneous...

Peace, Thanks for judging

Peace

Mahdi20

Peace Mahdi.
So what can Qoran mean then if not metaphor?

Is there only one literall meaning for every verse? )

jkhan

Peace,

My understanding of God willing=If actions that i do is according to The law that God has placed in universe,

U said Coz at a believer if not mocked that's strange

Its not about being believer or atheist or etc…

Its about rejecting the facts and truths without even studying about it, it is the same thing that christian priests and others did when they heard someone says earth isnt flat and sun doesnt revolves around earth, people wont mock you if you study something and came with a result that majority doesnt accept, but people mock if you doesnt study about something, and making funny theories without having knowledge in it,

Peace.

Thanks for judging as well... You are too smart future doctor.

hawk99

Peace brother,

U said
It stands for reasoning power, analytical acumen, logical faculty, and such other capabilities
usually associated with the “mind”.

Yes, and 2264 says that this mind is in sadr which means chest, so it cant be a metaphor, unless your translate sadr as something else

And as i said in few verse qalb came with eye and ear, so according to quran its a organ, and when it says it thinks itsnot a metaphor, does when i say to you Hawk see with his eyes, and heat with his eyes, and think by his qalb, the first and second one isnt a metaphor and third one is a metaphor?! Its not peace

Peace

Peace Mahdi20, at least you're having a good time even though you're as wrong as two left shoes. ;D

2246 Have they not travelled in the land so that they should have hearts with which to understand,
or ears with which to hear? For surely it is not the eyes that are blind, but blind are the hearts which
are in the breasts.

& are you gonna say that the heart has eyes too? nope and Still not a metaphor? my good brother c'mon handshake

You say
And as i said in few verse qalb came with eye and ear, so according to quran its a organ, and when it
says it thinks itsnot a metaphor, does when i say to you Hawk see with his eyes, and heat with his eyes,
and think by his qalb, the first and second one isn't a metaphor and third one is a metaphor?! Its not peace

People having eyes but cannot see does not mean that they are "physically" blind.
People having ears but cannot hear does not mean they are "physically" deaf dear brother.

I would suggest to you to take a walk through the door 0f ayat 37
no offense intended but as your brother in the Deen.

peace

Noon_waalqalami

peace, all languages billions (they’re not all dumb) speaking English "heart" symbolizes individual emotion as in Albanian "zemra" to Slavic "srce" to Zulu "inhliziyo" not always the physical pump.

https//www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/10/this-man-lived-even-played-basketball-without-a-human-heart-for-555-days-before-receiving-a-transplant/

Likewise, the same with "fuadu" and "qalb" context is your friend!

2810 واصبح and became فواد fuadu/heart (inner emotion) ام mother موسى Musa فارغا empty of (hopeless) ان indeed كادت near she لتبدى to disclose به in him لولا if not ان that ربطنا strengthened we of على upon قلبها qalbiha/heart (mind/persona) hers لتكون to she being من of المومنىن the believers (masculine plural)

1736 ولا and not تقف thou pursue ما what لىس not is لك to you به in it علم knowledge ان indeed السمع the hearing (enquiry) والبصر and the sight (evidence) والفواد wal-fuada/and the heart (inner emotion/intuition) كل each اولىك those كان be عنه about it مسىولا questioned of

https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/17/vers/36?handschrift=107

https//i.postimg.cc/TYMjQ0WW/ch17v35-46.jpg

jkhan

Peace..

Have you guys read all the verses where heart (Qalb) appear... and have you deeply pondered on them..
Allah is precise in his word usage... No one can change what is written in quran..
either accept or deny... that's the option..
or else be like Mahdi whose heart is in his mouth... lol.. but one day in sha allah his heart will be in his throat when he realize the truth...lol

God knows best and not bunch of scientists..

Emre_1974tr

The Qur'an uses folk idioms. For example, in Turkish we say during the night "the sun is sinking"(in English saying "the sun is setting&quot. During the day, we/Turks say "the sun is birthing"(Englishman saying "the sun is shining&quot. Of course, the Qur'an used the folk expressions of the Arabs. This has nothing to do with symbolism, these folk idioms have a clear dictionary meaning. Even a primary school child easily understands what is being said.

Noon_waalqalami

Have you guys read all the verses where heart (Qalb) appear... and have you deeply pondered on them..

peace -- yes, all are psychological, etc.

112 قلوب qulub/hearts/minds (pl.)
19 قلب qalb/heart/mind (singular)
1 قلبىن qalbayni/hearts two (allegoric)

132 total

Mahdi20

Peace brother jkhan, you said God knows best and not bunch of scientists..

Yes, for sure God knows best, and according to 2nd part of your statement, as i mentioned earlier you dont need to be a scientist to understand that heart thinks or not, high school education is enough, and even for a person without education, he 100% knows that moving one person heart to another body doesnt change the reciever emotions , if you move joker heart to cinderella, cinderella wont become joker handshake and he certainly knows that people with artifical heart have emotions, unless him/her is denier of truths and facts.

Peace brother hawk

You said are you gonna say that the heart has eyes too? nope and Still not a metaphor? my good brother c'mon handshake

No brother, what their hearts are blind has to to with the heart is center of emotion or not?

When someone say i drinked alochole, and its covered my brain, we understand that 1-this person thinks that he thinks by his brain 2-this drink did something to him/her brain so he cant think and etc,

Same for “their hearts are blind” it means 1-they think by they hearts 2-they hearts cant think, they hearts deny the truth

Peace brother/sister noonwaqalami,thanks for entering the discussion

i agree with some parts of your comment, but at least two problems

1-the problem is inner emotions that are in your chest doesnt make sense

2-at least the author should do something when in a book it says statements like this, at least from somewhere in this book i should know that the author knows that humans think by his brain, see my answer to brother emre blow

Peace brother emre, you said The Qur'an uses folk idioms. For example, in Turkish we say during the night "the sun is sinking"(in English saying "the sun is setting&quot. During the day, we/Turks say "the sun is birthing"(Englishman saying "the sun is shining&quot. Of course, the Qur'an used the folk expressions of the Arabs. This has nothing to do with symbolism, these folk idioms have a clear dictionary meaning. Even a primary school child easily understands what is being said.

Thanks for rejecting your previous statements my dear brother,if this is a folk idiom, then the 9615 and 16 is a folk idiom /experssion . As muhammad asad and others linguists say. And then it means that we cant find anywhere that Quran says that human think by their Brain

Noon_waalqalami

Peace brother/sister noonwaqalami,thanks for entering the discussion

i agree with some parts of your comment, but at least two problems

1-the problem is inner emotions that are in your chest doesnt make sense

2-at least the author should do something when in a book it says statements like this, at least from somewhere in this book i should know that the author knows that humans think by his brain, see my answer to brother emre blow

peace; chest is never mentioned 132 examples are clear physiological references to "mind/attitude" and likewise with that heart i.e., mindset Qur'an may not be for you; perhaps move on to whatever and the next time you run into basic terms like heartless etc., used in all languages by billions of people you can dismiss them as being dumb while you are "smart" and educated!

https//idioms.thefreedictionary.com/heart

Emre_1974tr