Descend of Angels - upon other then prophets

Jafar

Questions

Is it possible that the angels coming down does not mean in actual physical sense that some creature with wings is decending but actually those people were enlightened and their inner voice speaks to them and that led to the creation of religion and the books we known?

There are beings with 'vibrational light frequency' higher than what can be perceived by human's physical eyes. For them time and space is not a limitation, they can easily project their thoughts (telepathy) or their consciousness (teleport) towards any point in time and space dimension.

This is hard to believe for some who never encountered one, and that's why don't believe it but seek it, so you will know and not believe.

Just like any other things in this universe, those beings also has their own opposite polarities, there are higher frequency beings and there are also lower frequency beings. Because otherwise the higher frequency cannot be recognized / differentiated from the lower.
For the lower frequency beings some human named it as 'demons'.

Based on my observation, for higher frequency beings, they're humble, do not want to control anyone, they respect the free will of other beings, they don't seek power or authority, they never sending out threat or spreading fear. Their intention is helping, without asking for anything in return, not even a thanks or a credit, their help is unconditional help.

The lower frequency is the exact opposite, proud, eager to conquer and control, seek to enslave, spreading fear and hatred. Their intention is conquering / possessing, when they seem to 'help' they will always ask for something in return, no such thing as free lunch for them.

The creation of religion usually endorsed / inspired / influenced / ordered by the lower frequency beings.
As their intention is to conquer and enslave.
And religion is a perfect tool for such objective.

Angels still coming down to those who qualify 4130 or even to other humans and it is like some times we are stuck ina bad situation and then every thing is clear and we know what to do? so its like a feeling not in literal sense.

There's a lady, living among us today, who sees Angels on her everyday life.
Lorna Byrne The Lady Who Sees Angels Documentary Master
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssAmweLstLE

She also wrote books about her experience which turns out as best sellers.
According to her

Angels exist and with us all along
They're with everyone as everyone is equally special. (do not interact only with chosen few or elites) And that is including each and everyone of you!
Their intention is to help, unconditional help, they don't seek any rewards, credits or even thanks, although they will be happy if the person being helped expressed their gratitude, as gratitude is among the expression of love.

I recommend you to check her works.

As mentioned above, the opposite also exist, through their characteristic / behavior you will know whether it's a 'higher frequency being' (angel) or 'lower frequency being' (demons).

And of course you can experience it yourself, so you will not believe but know.

tlihawa

Salam Fusion,

Questions

Is it possible that the angels coming down does not mean in actual physical sense that some creature with wings is decending but actually those people were enlightened and their inner voice speaks to them and that led to the creation of religion and the books we known?
Angels still coming down to those who qualify 4130 or even to other humans and it is like some times we are stuck ina bad situation and then every thing is clear and we know what to do? so its like a feeling not in literal sense.
The only exception which I can not comprehend is the verse 2830 where no angel comes as a medium.
But when he came to it, he was called from the right side of the valley in a blessed spot - from the tree, "O Moses, indeed I am Allah , Lord of the worlds."

So these are my 3 questions if you guys can provide your opinions?

cheers

I would like to share my opinion,

Yes, it's possible.

297 Say "Whoever is an enemy to Jibril, then know that he has sent it down into your heart with the permission of God, affirming what is with him, and a guide and good news for the believers."

Yes, I think so.
From the verse above, Allah continues to send his guidance through Jibril, for those who believe. This is not limited to just the Prophets. But it is He who gives us understanding and wisdom. If this is only limited to the Prophet, then the Prophet should have made a book explaining his understanding of the Qur'an. But that didn't happen, because that wasn't the rule of the game.

And of course, this only for those who qualify 4130. Our lord is Allah. Other than that,

4104 ...while you have hope from God what they do not hope. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

You can find the answer in this verse, no angel needed as medium.

4164 And messengers whom We have narrated to you from before, and messengers whom We have not narrated to you; and God spoke to Musa directly.

Peace

Jafar

4164 And messengers whom We have narrated to you from before, and messengers whom We have not narrated to you; and God spoke to Musa directly.

Since you've mentioned it, it reminds me of a particular book released in today's times.

Conversation With God, by Neale Donald Walsch

The summary for quick read
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversations_with_God

While ebook can be downloadable for free here
https//b-ok.asia/s/Conversation%20with%20God

Where the author spoke directly to God.
Yet he's humble enough to not asking anyone to testify that he's the prophet of God... ehm...

Moreover he actually advice everyone to spoke directly to God.
According to him God is accessible by everyone and NOT only some specific people, mediator or elite.

The method he used is called "automatic writing", he wrote the questions on a piece of paper and answer came from himself on that piece of paper.
Feel free to try it yourself.

Here's a snippet from the book that I'm definitely 100% totally agree.

Neale then asks why some religions do not know the truth about something so basic. In response, God says that we must understand that humans have many fear-based religions whose teachings surround the doctrine of a God who is to be worshipped and feared. It was through fear that the entire Earth society reformed itself from a matriarchy into patriarchy.

Through fear, the holy priests got people to mend their wicked ways and heed the word of the Lord. It was through fear that the churches gained and controlled their membership. Churches even insisted that God will punish you if you did not go to church every Sunday.

Not going to church was declared a sin - and not just any church. One had to attend one particular church. If you went to a church of a different denomination, that too was a sin.

That was an attempt at control using fear. It worked. People will always believe in hell and a God who would send them there as long as we believe that God is like man — ruthless, self-serving, unforgiving, and vengeful.

-- Book 3, Conversations with God

Yet I also acknowledge that this game of positive vs negative, light vs darkness is an eternal game on this universe. The IS NOT need to exist in order for the IS to be recognizable.

Everyone are free to choose their role in this role playing game.
Choose yours.. wisely...

Fusion

Thank you Jafar for your detailed explanation, certainly your explanation is quite different from most of the folks and I had to read it few times. To some I am clear, and some not.
May I ask you something off-topic here? and explain to you why later?

What is your opinion about the verses of Quran Al Kahf, where the incident of Moses and knew and he killed that young boy assuming that in the future he would cause issues for his parents? and on top of the explanation given by to Moses for this reason was

(80-81) As to that youth, his parents were righteous and peaceful citizens and we had every reason
to fear lest he should involve them by his open defiance (of law) and denial of all truth. Allah might
grant them in his place (a child) better than him, in qualities and more affectionate to them.

Regards

Jafar

What is your opinion about the verses of Quran Al Kahf, where the incident of Moses and [Khidr was mentioned, it appears from literal translation a very odd story and hard to believe unless it has a coded message?

First the name Khidr was never mentioned at all.
The unnamed person was supposed to teach Moses some kind of a lesson.

This person sink a boat, murdered a child and repaying a bad treatment with good deed.
Which in all instances Moses file some kind of a protest, because in his limited perspective, Moses see that this person perform deed which is inappropriate to the context, unjustified to the context. Where Moses actually has limited view of the context itself.

Everything in this universe works in harmony, what seems to be a conflict or the other word for this is 'opposing pair' is merely an illusion.
Why it's in harmony?
Because there's only one infinite to begin (and end) with.

Another way to make this more discernable is using the metaphor of a story or a novel.
Let's take a famous trilogy, Lord Of The Rings by Tolkien, I'm assuming you're familiar with it.
If not then we can take another example, but the essence is still the same.

There's war, conflicts, characters murdering other characters, characters where each has opposing views and objective to achieve. Yet all of it is an illusion, an illusion created by one author, JRR Tolkien.

Everything inside that universe is a manifestation of only one author, Tolkien.
Let it be the protagonist such as Frodo and friends, Gandalf, Borimir, Legolas or the antagonist such as the Orcs, the evil sorcerer, Saruman and the representative of all evil named Sauron.

Each of those characters are merely Tolkien taking a unique perspective, assuming different identity.
All the dialogue in the novel is actually a monolog, yet through multiple identities Tolkien has created an illusion that it's actually a dialog. So does any events of one character fighting other characters or even murdered another character, it's all Tolkien on both sides, the perpetrator and the victim.

When one is captivated into the narrative, he/she will fall into the illusion that all of the characters are separated entity, the chaos is real and the conflict is real, and it is captivating narratives.

Yet when one is closing the book and read on it's cover the title "Lord Of The Rings by JRR Tolkien", he clearly understood that everything inside the book is merely a thought products of one person, JRR Tolkien.

To experience the illusion, one move forward, flipping one page after another.

But if he closed the book, he realize that he can also jump to any page that he wants, let's skipped some chapter I want to know how it will all ends and all the conflicts being resolved for example, or even flipping it backwards. In such context we can say that every events in the novel is actually happening at the same time. As such 'time' inside Lord Of The Rings is also an illusion created by Tolkien. Where the intended method to experience it is to move forward one page at a time.

Tolkien already have a plan to resolve it all together into a nice and good story.
Because everything inside the novel is all Tolkien to begin with.
The separation between each character and the conflict is merely an illusion. It's all Tolkien playing different roles.

After the last page is read, the reader will fully understand what it's all about and how everything is resolved. The reader will gain full understanding of the story, what remain is the memory on the experience of following the story, one page after another, be captivated inside it, be inspired by it.

All the world's a stage,
all the men and women merely players
they have their exits and their entrances;
and one man in his time plays many parts,
-- Shakespeare

Eventually, everyone will come into a realization that there's only one person in the room.
-- Neale D Walsch, Conversation with God

good_logic

Remember that you as a real person have an advantage over any illusion.No illusion can force you into its world if you use your "mind/ awareness/realisation".

Our awareness, that is our perception, shapes the reality that we experience.
Our attention and intention co-create the experience with reality. Much in the same way that an observer helps co-create a particle rather than the potentiality of a wave in quantum physics..
We create real "good" or "bad" with our choices and decisions , We write/play /act our own script and control our own destiny/ending by our own decisions
The reality is that our choices play the role.
So which is it?
Elon Musk or Qoran s author?
Elon Musk that tells you this world is a simulation Or GOD your creator that also tells you this world is an illusion?
Your choice?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Jafar

Just like Frodo seeking Tolkien.
In order to do that one need to go beyond it's limited identity / role or anything that it has identify itself with. Frodo can then easily seek Tolkien inside his own self.

And once Frodo has realized that he is actually Tolkien, he at the same time will also realize that he is also Gandalf, Pippen, Borimir, Legolas and also Frodo's adversaries such as the Orcs, the evil sorcerer Saruman and the evil deity, Sauron. All are nothing but Tolkien's playing multiple roles.

Since before time and space were,
the Tao is.
It is beyond IS and IS NOT.
How do I know this is true?
I look INSIDE MYSELF and see.

-- Lao Tse

Besides ancient figure such as Lao Tse, Jesus, Siddharta or even that unnamed figure in the story with Moses, that Neale guy also took the same path and found it inside his own self.
Seek It but you need to detach yourself from your limited identification.
You are not (only) that figure that you see in the mirror.

good_logic

What simulation? Our pathetic human made computers mimicking and creating A FICTIONAL WORLD?
I would have been impressed if even a fly was real in that made up world. So we create a cartoon world for our amusement with our imperfect knowledge and with what the creator has provided for us then claim the creator is also playing a similar game with us?

For me .unless we create a real world with conscious beings , which we can never do even with multiple super human quantum computers, then how can we claim that our world is similar to our fake simulation?
Wishful comparison and a real illusion in itself.
Even if one can call our world and life a simulation. it is a far superior one with conscious beings, a plan, a good reason and a just and fair purpose done by THE ONLY ONE with perfect knowledge. A truly super intelligence, originator of all existence..
GOD bless you all.
Peace.

Jafar

A truly super intelligence, originator of all existence..

There's equivalent word for 'super intelligence' it's called Chita in sanskrit or Lao Tse calls it as Tao or Jesus calls it as "Heavenly Father".

It's beyond the opposing pair of IS and IS NOT, beyond time and space as mentioned by Lao Tse.

When one is in touch with it, it doesn't need to do anything, everything just happened.
But to be in touch with it one need to transcend it's limited identification.

As metaphor, for easy discernment, Frodo need to transcend it's limited identification to found Tolkien within himself. Once he found it he realized that he's (Tolkien) is not only Frodo.

In similar manner as Lao Tse found Tao within himself.
Or Neale found God within himself.
Or Jesus found the Kingdom Of God within himself.

“The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you"
-- Luke 17, Jesus as an answer to the Pharise Priests who believed that God is outside of themselves.

Yet I understand that in this universe, there is an eternal conflict between the IS and IS NOT.
Between Unity vs Separation.
Between God inside of you VS God outside of you.

And everyone is free to choose which role to play.

finance

यह केवल एक मानक अंग्रेजी से हिंदी शब्द संदर्भ और हिंदी से अंग्रेजी शब्द संदर्भ नहीं है। इस शब्द संदर्भ में शब्द अर्थ के लिए सबसे बड़ा डेटा सेट है। यह आपको केवल अंग्रेजी से हिंदी और हिंदी से अंग्रेजी शब्द का अर्थ नहीं देता है, Finance ki jaankari यह आपके पोषित टीवी शो से विलोम, पर्यायवाची, उदाहरण, संबंधित शब्द और उदाहरण के साथ अंग्रेजी से अंग्रेजी शब्द को महत्व देता है। यह शब्द संदर्भ आपको हिंदी से अंग्रेजी व्याख्या,

jkhan

यह केवल एक मानक अंग्रेजी से हिंदी शब्द संदर्भ और हिंदी से अंग्रेजी शब्द संदर्भ नहीं है। इस शब्द संदर्भ में शब्द अर्थ के लिए सबसे बड़ा डेटा सेट है। यह आपको केवल अंग्रेजी से हिंदी और हिंदी से अंग्रेजी शब्द का अर्थ नहीं देता है, Finance ki jaankari यह आपके पोषित टीवी शो से विलोम, पर्यायवाची, उदाहरण, संबंधित शब्द और उदाहरण के साथ अंग्रेजी से अंग्रेजी शब्द को महत्व देता है। यह शब्द संदर्भ आपको हिंदी से अंग्रेजी व्याख्या,

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off topic laugh