Rituals Prayers Methods - how to perform
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JKhan,
you never read my post, let me repeat it again, We Muslims (Shia Sunni etc) are following Rasul-Allah(S.A.W.W) in Aqeem-us-Salat (Establishing our Salat), we are copying the Prophet from the very beginning, the Shia and Sunni Salat has a minor difference, I pray with them both, Alhumdulillah.Truth,
Muhammad is the name of the Prophet (S.A.W.W), where are you heading to? from where are you taking the Deen from?
And I asked to translate an Ayah of the Quran, according to your own wish, that is a solid message for us my Brother.Walikum Salam Still Learning,
- Quran was deliveres by Jibreel (A.S) to Rasul-Allah (S.A.W.W)
- It is Allah who has given us the Quran, I or you cannot be the Judge.
And to all of you my Brothers and Sisters, when you take the name of the Prophet (S.A.W.W), take it with respect, Allah Himself has given him that respect.
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Dear Athar2022, peace be upon you.
I can see that you are respectful at the least and have conducted yourself admirably given the surprising things you are encountering. The single greatest error that all otherwise sincere believers make is that they assume that all of the knowledge that has been transmitted to them by their predecessors must be correct, only because others with no proven authority have said or think it to be so.
By continuing to do this despite new knowledge coming to them, they turn thereby into apes and swine.
Some ape each other and some indulge in the material clay world like pigs in mud.
The 'wish' is not a wish on our part. The wish lies only in the belief that prophethood ended with the prophet of The Quran.
Have you ever imagined how you might have behaved had you lived in the prophet's time? What makes you believe or have confidence that you would have recognised the prophet as a true chosen servant of The God?
I can assure you that like many others here you will be blind to such things unless The God has willed it to be otherwise. No one believes without His will so the best course of action is to to unhitch yourself from your preconceptions and ideas of your forefathers; and like the prophet Abraham himself understand that The God is far far above all that you now associate with Him including any of His chosen servants.
Take heed brother and stop the distinction you are placing upon a prophet, one of many, who is just like you and I, a person. All their rewards are from The God and their position can neither be harmed nor helped by anything else including your 'taqlid' (parroting and aping) of others. Spend of your words wisely and praise The God without association.
What makes a prophet special is that The God chooses whomever of His servants He wills, however He wills, whenever He wills. He gives them clear proofs and signs so that believers will know them.
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Walikum-us-Salam my Brother,
It might surprise you but I left going to the Tombs with my mom at the age of 10, I told her we Muslims only ask Allah, later on she stopped going to the Tombs as well.Truth, my Brother, I understand where you stand and you should understand where I stand and I stand there not because of anyone but because of the Book.
I pray for myself first.
May Allah guide me to the correct path and may Allah guide you too.
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Take heed brother and stop the distinction you are placing upon a prophet, one of many, who is just like you and I, a person.
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓٮِٕڪَتَهُ ۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ صَلُّواْ عَلَيۡهِ وَسَلِّمُواْ تَسۡلِيمًا (٥٦)
Are you sure ? do you take some of the Book and leave the rest behind ?
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Peace Athar2022
You are ignoring many facts from Qoran and deliberately choosing not to answer the questions that are challenging you to ponder and reflect on your misunderstandings, like
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These Quranic facts are manifested in the historical reality that the words and actions (Hadith & Sunna) attributed to the Prophet did not appear until many years after his death. The Quran has prophesied the fabrication of Hadith and Sunna by the Prophet's enemies (6112-115). The Quran teaches us that it was God's will to permit the invention of Hadith and Sunna to serve as criteria for exposing those who hijack GOD s authority and follow other than the message of Allah Alone.
Or did the prophet leave books of hadiths and sunna to be written down as well as qoran?As for idolising the prophet, did Allah order it? where? I cannot find it but I can find what the prophet will say
The messenger* said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran."
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The Quran proclaims that it is complete, perfect, and fully detailed (619, 38, 114, 115; 5045), and that religious regulations not specifically instituted in the Quran constitute a religion other than GOD S RELIGION..
The messenger was given Quran only to be delivered ,Obey Allah and obey the messenger go hand in hand to emphasise the importance of GOD s message i.e GOD WORDS ALONE TO BE FOLLOWED.
17 ;46..And when you preach your Lord, using the Quran alone,* they run away in aversion.
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You keep repeating this verse إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓٮِٕڪَتَهُ ۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ صَلُّواْ عَلَيۡهِ وَسَلِّمُواْ تَسۡلِيمًا (٥٦),but ponder what was said to you below regarding this verse and answer or reflect on it at leastGOD s verses come with context like 33 56 was an order during the life of Mohammed like "do not raise your voices above that of the prophet and do not shout from outside to get his attention..."
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God and His angels help and support the prophet. O you who believe, you shall help and support him, and submit a total submission. i.e FOLLOW GOD s MESSAGE AND EMBRACE TRUE iSLAM..*3356 The word ``prophet'' (Nabi) consistently refers to Muhammad only when he was alive. Satan used this verse to entice the Muslims into commemorating Muhammad, constantly, instead of commemorating God as enjoined in 3341-44
O you who believe, you shall remember God frequently.*
يٰأَيُّهَا الَّذينَ ءامَنُوا اذكُرُوا اللَّهَ ذِكرًا كَثيرًا
You shall glorify Him day and night.
وَسَبِّحوهُ بُكرَةً وَأَصيلًا
He is the One who helps you, together with His angels, to lead you out of darkness into the light. He is Most Merciful towards the believers.
هُوَ الَّذى يُصَلّى عَلَيكُم وَمَلٰئِكَتُهُ لِيُخرِجَكُم مِنَ الظُّلُمٰتِ إِلَى النّورِ وَكانَ بِالمُؤمِنينَ رَحيمًا
Their greeting the day they meet Him is, "Peace," and He has prepared for them a generous recompense.
تَحِيَّتُهُم يَومَ يَلقَونَهُ سَلٰمٌ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُم أَجرًا كَريمًاSee GOD and HIS Angels also yusallu on the believers of His message. This is not about parroting words that have no meanings and do not make sense.
Or is GOD and His Angels doing S.A.W on the prophet continuously?At least try to be serious with your argument, that is if you really believe it does make sense and does not contradict the book you claim to believe in.
Hope you sincerely reflect on the advice.
GOD bless you.
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JKhan,
you never read my post, let me repeat it again, We Muslims (Shia Sunni etc) are following Rasul-Allah(S.A.W.W) in Aqeem-us-Salat (Establishing our Salat), we are copying the Prophet from the very beginning, the Shia and Sunni Salat has a minor difference, I pray with them both, Alhumdulillah.i will let you in your blindness.... coz it is a thing that you have to sort out if you are really believer...
You are creating out of no where with imagination... You are copying the Prophet.. lol..
for me i feel you are immature in this subject.,.. keep researching and God will He will guide you..
but i leave with a verse to ponder ..
6004 Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibrahim (Abraham) and those with him, when they said to their people "Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred for ever, until you believe in Allah Alone," except the saying of Ibrahim (Abraham) to his father "Verily, I will ask for forgiveness (from Allah) for you, but I have no power to do anything for you before Allah ." Our Lord! In You (Alone) we put our trust, and to You (Alone) we turn in repentance, and to You (Alone) is (our) final Return, ""
Note One follow or not follow those examples in life.. coz they are their personal ways.. But these examples are worthy studying...Do you follow Ibrahim while Quran says there is excellent examples in him...If God said only Ibrahim.. it is okay at least within Quran we can search what kind of Good qualities Ibrahim had and so we can take from it cream and the essence.. But God said Excellent examples "in those with him as well"
So brother these examples are lessons to ponder in life not necessary that we follow them.. but if necessary and situation arises one can even follow.. No harm..
Same with prophet Mohamed.. He was a wonderful person.. take good things from him within Quran.. Don't make him an icon...No message without Messenger... Allah communicated to people of the world through choosing messengers to pass his message saying He does exist.. Such messenger should be followed.. Suppose when messages were delivered to Prophet Mohamed he had the responsibility to deliver the message and cannot hide.. God chosen him.. God kept the faith on him.. Only option for people to communicate with God is through Messenger.. God never speak to people.. So people questioned what they wanted ask from God through Messenger.. Don't you see, how many verses it says "They ask you" when they ask him (mohamed) can he respond... No. He has to wait for the answer from God... So communication did happen.. So Messenger spoke what God communicated with him through an Angel Messenger.. So brothers sisters, there is no other way other than obeying the messenger you can obey God... Can people say to Prophet Mohamed, We obey God, no need your message, we have already received messages in the past through messengers like moses, isa etc.. So they They follow Allah and the messenger in fact, but deny another messenger... in case of those who were not given any scriputure before, They don't know who God is ... If mohamed says there is God and i am a messenger of God... How they should treat him.. They can say , no need your nonsesense, we believe in God anyway.. hilarious... Or If his people stone him, would they believe in God...No... So ... People should always obey the messenger to obey Allah... They should always follow the messenger to follow Allah's order..
Thank you..
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Dear Athar2022,
You bring nothing new by stating these things. These are things relevant to a living prophet. The God is showing you that the behaviour of believers is important, to a living prophet otherwise you are then merely now visiting a 'conceptual' tomb even though you say you have stopped visiting physical stones and monuments.
Nothing you say or do now can harm someone whose fate is sealed already.
All else is superstition, fanciful desire and grossly astray.
The prophet himself was told in Chapter 28 al-qasas verse 44...
Thou wast not on the Western side when We decreed the Commission to Moses, nor wast thou a witness
And yet people wrote tales about the prophet's alleged life story as if they knew him or had witnessed any of it, some centuries afterwards as hearsay. When people say they follow the messenger, they do no such thing if they take their basis as the stories of storytellers from centuries after the prophet's life. The writers become their authority and not The Quran and its Divine author.
The prophet, you and I both are certain about this, lived according to The Quran and followed its Criteria. We can do the same. That's how you follow the messenger. Not by following hearsay.
By heeding The God's instruction through His chosen servants we too can follow the Criteria contained in the examples of The Quran, not by following some distant author who has no more authority than you.
The God is entirely capable of continuing to guide humanity and cannot be stopped or silenced by the desire of sects no matter how numerous they are or how much they say otherwise.
Also so they would not say, if struck by an affliction for what their hands have done “Our Lord! If only You had sent us a messenger, we would have followed Your revelations and become believers.” 2846
This generation will not have that excuse. You do not have that excuse.
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We have sent you... A mercy to the world.
How was he sent? with a message. No message ,no messenger.. The mercy to all is the message for the messenger s generation and it outlives the messenger for all following generations.
Or do you think the prophet is immortal ?
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Here is the context to ponder on these verses A Master psychologist is giving him support and comforting him with his hard task of delivering GOD s message.
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And we unloaded your load (of sins).
وَوَضَعنا عَنكَ وِزرَكَ
One that burdened your back.
الَّذى أَنقَضَ ظَهرَكَ
We exalted you to an honorable position.
وَرَفَعنا لَكَ ذِكرَكَ
With pain there is gain.
فَإِنَّ مَعَ العُسرِ يُسرًا
Indeed, with pain there is gain.
إِنَّ مَعَ العُسرِ يُسرًا
Whenever possible you shall strive.
فَإِذا فَرَغتَ فَانصَب
Seeking only your Lord.
وَإِلىٰ رَبِّكَ فَارغَبA lesson for us all to seek only our Lord and His words.The prophet has done his job, earned his salvation and gone to meet his Lord.
GOD bless you.
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Good Logic, my response was to Truth when he said
Take heed brother and stop the distinction you are placing upon a prophet, one of many, who is just like you and I, a person
Khatim-un-Nabieen S.A.W.W
Rehmat-ul-lil-Aalmeen S.A.W.WUpon whom Almighty Himself and the Angels send Salam and we have been commanded to send Salams in abundance.
You guys sound like you have been paid to do this, I'm sorry but plain meanings of verses are being twisted.
You tell me, my Brother, what does "Atee-Allah-wa-Atee-ur-Rasul" translate to?
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Peace brother.
So you are reflecting but accepting understanding that does not make sense?How are the Almighty and the Angels sending Salam to the prophet when he is gone? In that case GOD and His Angels are also sending salam to the believers that have been and gone. Why don t you say to your fellow believer salla allahu alaika as well? Because according to you it is an order GOD and His Angels yusaalu on the believers as well according to Qoran!
Anyway if what I am asking and saying to you is a challenge and you are evading it, feel free to believe what you want.
Give me the verse for this question you ask
"You tell me, my Brother, what does "Atee-Allah-wa-Atee-ur-Rasul" translate to?"
GOD bless you.
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Let us both agree not to debate 'trinity' concepts by avoiding those terms also and stick to the testimony of the faith that the prophet of The Quran and the believers are stated to have held. The God is my witness that I hold onto the position as defined by The Quran in this respect…
...'la nuferiqu beyne ehadin min rusulih'... 2285 (part)
I make no distinction between the messengers. I don't just pay lip service to this requirement of a believer. I truly believe that they are all messengers with no distinction or favouritism heaped on any one of them.
How about you? Do you translate that phrase differently and thereby find support for your position of overwhelmingly venerating someone who has passed away in it?
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قُلۡ إِن كُنتُمۡ تُحِبُّونَ ٱللَّهَ فَٱتَّبِعُونِى يُحۡبِبۡكُمُ ٱللَّهُ وَيَغۡفِرۡ لَكُمۡ ذُنُوبَكُمۡۗ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ۬ (٣١)
Say, If you should love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.قُلۡ أَطِيعُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلرَّسُولَۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوۡاْ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ ٱلۡكَـٰفِرِينَ (٣٢)
Say Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. If they turn away from this then know that Allah does not love the disbelievers.and here is the one, this is Quran too, why do you take some and leave the rest ?
لَّقَدۡ كَانَ لَكُمۡ فِى رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ أُسۡوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ۬ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرۡجُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلۡيَوۡمَ ٱلۡأَخِرَ وَذَكَرَ ٱللَّهَ كَثِيرً۬ا (٢١)
There is indeed a good model for you in the Messenger of Allah - for the one who has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah profusely.By the way it was Friday today, how do you guys give the call for Salat ?
And how do you perform it ?
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Here is some more refection for you brother about masjids and prayers
إِنَّما يَعمُرُ مَسٰجِدَ اللَّهِ مَن ءامَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَاليَومِ الـٔاخِرِ وَأَقامَ الصَّلوٰةَ وَءاتَى الزَّكوٰةَ وَلَم يَخشَ إِلَّا اللَّهَ فَعَسىٰ أُولٰئِكَ أَن يَكونوا مِنَ المُهتَدينَ
أَجَعَلتُم سِقايَةَ الحاجِّ وَعِمارَةَ المَسجِدِ الحَرامِ كَمَن ءامَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَاليَومِ الـٔاخِرِ وَجٰهَدَ فى سَبيلِ اللَّهِ لا يَستَوۥنَ عِندَ اللَّهِ وَاللَّهُ لا يَهدِى القَومَ الظّٰلِمينَ
الَّذينَ ءامَنوا وَهاجَروا وَجٰهَدوا فى سَبيلِ اللَّهِ بِأَموٰلِهِم وَأَنفُسِهِم أَعظَمُ دَرَجَةً عِندَ اللَّهِ وَأُولٰئِكَ هُمُ الفائِزونَ
I will translate these last two verses for you
وَالَّذينَ اتَّخَذوا مَسجِدًا ضِرارًا وَكُفرًا وَتَفريقًا بَينَ المُؤمِنينَ وَإِرصادًا لِمَن حارَبَ اللَّهَ وَرَسولَهُ مِن قَبلُ وَلَيَحلِفُنَّ إِن أَرَدنا إِلَّا الحُسنىٰ وَاللَّهُ يَشهَدُ إِنَّهُم لَكٰذِبونَ
There are those who abuse the masjid by practicing idol worship, dividing the believers, and providing comfort to those who oppose God and His messenger. They solemnly swear "Our intentions are honorable!" God bears witness that they are liars.لا تَقُم فيهِ أَبَدًا لَمَسجِدٌ أُسِّسَ عَلَى التَّقوىٰ مِن أَوَّلِ يَومٍ أَحَقُّ أَن تَقومَ فيهِ فيهِ رِجالٌ يُحِبّونَ أَن يَتَطَهَّروا وَاللَّهُ يُحِبُّ المُطَّهِّرينَ
You shall never pray in such a masjid. A masjid that is established on the basis of righteousness from the first day is more worthy of your praying therein. In it, there are people who love to be purified. God loves those who purify themselves.Any masjid where the practices are not devoted absolutely to God ALONE belongs to Satan, not God. For example, mentioning the names of Abraham, Muhammad, and/or Ali in the Azan and/or the Salat prayers violates God's commandments in 2136, 2285, 384, & 7218. Unfortunately, this is a common idolatrous practice throughout the corrupted Muslim world.
GOD bless you.
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We Muslims pray to Allah alone, the One and Only.
We bear witness that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger and Servant of Allah.
We stand in front of Allah Alone, we do the Ruku in front of Him and we do the Sujood to Him Alone.
We take our hands up and make dua to Him Alone.Where did you see Idol worship?? or, Prophet's Worship?? I am amazed at the level of your ignorance, come to my Masjid, pray with me, listen to each and every word, I challenge you if you are Muslim enough !
And my question remains UNANSWERED. How do you guys Establish your Salat, How do you give the Call for Prayer ?
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Salaam Athar 2022
Walikum Salam Still Learning,
- Quran was deliveres by Jibreel (A.S) to Rasul-Allah (S.A.W.W)
- It is Allah who has given us the Quran, I or you cannot be the Judge.
You did not answer my point 2. I assume everything Jibreel delivered was documented as the Quran. Therefore as the prayer is not documented in the Quran. Where do you think the Prophet learned the alleged method of prayer.
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Still Learning,
At Isra, the Journey of the Prophet at night.Now my counter question is, Allah has ordered "Aqeem-us-Salat" at various places in the Quran, how do you establish your prayer?
The answer isQuran 3321
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Peace Athar2022,
We Muslims pray to Allah alone, the One and Only.
We bear witness that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger and Servant of Allah.
We stand in front of Allah Alone, we do the Ruku in front of Him and we do the Sujood to Him Alone.
We take our hands up and make dua to Him Alone.
Where did you see Idol worship?? or, Prophet's Worship?? I am amazed at the level of your ignorance, come to my Masjid, pray with me, listen to each and every word, I challenge you if you are Muslim enough !Yes, very good brother. No worship.
Why do people have to fight over details about the salat or call each other "disbelievers" ?
The essentials have been said (and present into the Quran) prayer, dua, bowing, prostration, Quran, praise and of course Allah alone.
And brother if I could go to your masjid then yes I would surely pray like you; even if maybe in the details at home I don't do like you. -
Salaam
At Isra, the Journey of the Prophet at night.
& its documented where
Now my counter question is, Allah has ordered "Aqeem-us-Salat" at various places in the Quran, how do you establish your prayer?
The answer isI pray every where, including a masjid like probably like you, when driving, watching sport (especially so) but seems more often than not the other side are much better with their prayers (
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At Isra, the Journey of the Prophet at night.
Apologies I wanted also to ask, so before then muslims had no method of prayer?