Rituals Prayers Methods - how to perform

Athar2022

قُلۡ إِن كُنتُمۡ تُحِبُّونَ ٱللَّهَ فَٱتَّبِعُونِى يُحۡبِبۡكُمُ ٱللَّهُ وَيَغۡفِرۡ لَكُمۡ ذُنُوبَكُمۡ‌ۗ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ۬ (٣١)
Say, If you should love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

قُلۡ أَطِيعُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلرَّسُولَ‌ۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوۡاْ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ ٱلۡكَـٰفِرِينَ (٣٢)
Say Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. If they turn away from this then know that Allah does not love the disbelievers.

and here is the one, this is Quran too, why do you take some and leave the rest ?

لَّقَدۡ كَانَ لَكُمۡ فِى رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ أُسۡوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ۬ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرۡجُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلۡيَوۡمَ ٱلۡأَخِرَ وَذَكَرَ ٱللَّهَ كَثِيرً۬ا (٢١)
There is indeed a good model for you in the Messenger of Allah - for the one who has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah profusely.

By the way it was Friday today, how do you guys give the call for Salat ?
And how do you perform it ?
I asked this question before but nobody replied.

good_logic

Here is some more refection for you brother about masjids and prayers

إِنَّما يَعمُرُ مَسٰجِدَ اللَّهِ مَن ءامَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَاليَومِ الـٔاخِرِ وَأَقامَ الصَّلوٰةَ وَءاتَى الزَّكوٰةَ وَلَم يَخشَ إِلَّا اللَّهَ فَعَسىٰ أُولٰئِكَ أَن يَكونوا مِنَ المُهتَدينَ

أَجَعَلتُم سِقايَةَ الحاجِّ وَعِمارَةَ المَسجِدِ الحَرامِ كَمَن ءامَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَاليَومِ الـٔاخِرِ وَجٰهَدَ فى سَبيلِ اللَّهِ لا يَستَوۥنَ عِندَ اللَّهِ وَاللَّهُ لا يَهدِى القَومَ الظّٰلِمينَ

الَّذينَ ءامَنوا وَهاجَروا وَجٰهَدوا فى سَبيلِ اللَّهِ بِأَموٰلِهِم وَأَنفُسِهِم أَعظَمُ دَرَجَةً عِندَ اللَّهِ وَأُولٰئِكَ هُمُ الفائِزونَ

I will translate these last two verses for you
وَالَّذينَ اتَّخَذوا مَسجِدًا ضِرارًا وَكُفرًا وَتَفريقًا بَينَ المُؤمِنينَ وَإِرصادًا لِمَن حارَبَ اللَّهَ وَرَسولَهُ مِن قَبلُ وَلَيَحلِفُنَّ إِن أَرَدنا إِلَّا الحُسنىٰ وَاللَّهُ يَشهَدُ إِنَّهُم لَكٰذِبونَ
There are those who abuse the masjid by practicing idol worship, dividing the believers, and providing comfort to those who oppose God and His messenger. They solemnly swear "Our intentions are honorable!" God bears witness that they are liars.

لا تَقُم فيهِ أَبَدًا لَمَسجِدٌ أُسِّسَ عَلَى التَّقوىٰ مِن أَوَّلِ يَومٍ أَحَقُّ أَن تَقومَ فيهِ فيهِ رِجالٌ يُحِبّونَ أَن يَتَطَهَّروا وَاللَّهُ يُحِبُّ المُطَّهِّرينَ
You shall never pray in such a masjid. A masjid that is established on the basis of righteousness from the first day is more worthy of your praying therein. In it, there are people who love to be purified. God loves those who purify themselves.

Any masjid where the practices are not devoted absolutely to God ALONE belongs to Satan, not God. For example, mentioning the names of Abraham, Muhammad, and/or Ali in the Azan and/or the Salat prayers violates God's commandments in 2136, 2285, 384, & 7218. Unfortunately, this is a common idolatrous practice throughout the corrupted Muslim world.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Athar2022

We Muslims pray to Allah alone, the One and Only.
We bear witness that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger and Servant of Allah.
We stand in front of Allah Alone, we do the Ruku in front of Him and we do the Sujood to Him Alone.
We take our hands up and make dua to Him Alone.

Where did you see Idol worship?? or, Prophet's Worship?? I am amazed at the level of your ignorance, come to my Masjid, pray with me, listen to each and every word, I challenge you if you are Muslim enough !

And my question remains UNANSWERED. How do you guys Establish your Salat, How do you give the Call for Prayer ?

stillearning

Salaam Athar 2022

Walikum Salam Still Learning,

Quran was deliveres by Jibreel (A.S) to Rasul-Allah (S.A.W.W)
It is Allah who has given us the Quran, I or you cannot be the Judge.

You did not answer my point 2. I assume everything Jibreel delivered was documented as the Quran. Therefore as the prayer is not documented in the Quran. Where do you think the Prophet learned the alleged method of prayer.

Athar2022

Still Learning,
At Isra, the Journey of the Prophet at night.

Now my counter question is, Allah has ordered "Aqeem-us-Salat" at various places in the Quran, how do you establish your prayer?
The answer is

Quran 3321
IIndeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example for whoever has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah often.

Iyyaka

Peace Athar2022,

We Muslims pray to Allah alone, the One and Only.
We bear witness that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger and Servant of Allah.
We stand in front of Allah Alone, we do the Ruku in front of Him and we do the Sujood to Him Alone.
We take our hands up and make dua to Him Alone.
Where did you see Idol worship?? or, Prophet's Worship?? I am amazed at the level of your ignorance, come to my Masjid, pray with me, listen to each and every word, I challenge you if you are Muslim enough !

Yes, very good brother. No worship.
Why do people have to fight over details about the salat or call each other "disbelievers" ?
The essentials have been said (and present into the Quran) prayer, dua, bowing, prostration, Quran, praise and of course Allah alone.
And brother if I could go to your masjid then yes I would surely pray like you; even if maybe in the details at home I don't do like you.

stillearning

Salaam

At Isra, the Journey of the Prophet at night.

& its documented where

Now my counter question is, Allah has ordered "Aqeem-us-Salat" at various places in the Quran, how do you establish your prayer?
The answer is

I pray every where, including a masjid like probably like you, when driving, watching sport (especially so) but seems more often than not the other side are much better with their prayers (

stillearning

At Isra, the Journey of the Prophet at night.

Apologies I wanted also to ask, so before then muslims had no method of prayer?

good_logic

where do you get this from in Qoran? Quote
"At Isra, the Journey of the Prophet at night."

Or have you got this from hadith?

Your assumptions contradict qoran
An implication that Hadith contains the details of Salat and therefore Hadith other than the Quran can be used for religious law.
An implication that God is wrong in teaching us in the Quran, that all the rituals of Islam, including Salat were given to Abraham.
Those who are knowledgeable of the Quran know that there are two sources for the religion of Islam.

The Quran which is COMPLETE, PERFECT and fully details all religious LAW.
Religious practices given to Prophet Abraham and passed on to us generation after generation since the time of Abraham.

Quran teaches us in no uncertain terms that Abraham is the founder of Islam as it is practiced today. As such, what did Abraham contribute to our daily life as Muslims?
You shall strive in the cause of God as you should. He has blessed you, and imposed no hardship in your religion; the RELIGION OF YOUR FATHER ABRAHAM, Abraham is the one who named you "Muslims" in the beginning. Thus, the messenger serves as witness among you, just as you serve as a witness among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Salat prayers, give the Zakat charity, and hold fast to God; He is your Lord; the best Lord, and the best supporter.

Abraham was neither Jewish , nor Christian; he was a monotheist; a Muslim; he never was an idol-worshiper. The people most worthy of following Abraham are those who follow him and this prophet (Muhammad), and those who believed. God is the Lord of the believers.

Then we inspired you (O Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, monotheism; never was he an idol-worshiper.

Proof the salat existed before Muhammed
(O Children of Israel) you shall observe the SALAT PRAYERS & ZAKAT charity; you shall bow down with those who bow.
Quran 343] O Mary (Mariam), you shall obey your Lord, and shall prostrate and bow down with those who bow down.

(Jesus said) God has made me blessed wherever I go, and He commanded me to observe the SALAT PRAYERS and ZAKAT charity for as long as I live.
And we granted him (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob as a gift, and we made them righteous. And we appointed them Imams who guide in accordance with our commandments. AND WE TAUGHT THEM RIGHTEOUS WORKS AND THE OBSERVANCE OF SALAT AND ZAKAT.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Athar2022

Peace Athar2022,
Yes, very good brother. No worship.
Why do people have to fight over details about the salat or call each other "disbelievers" ?
The essentials have been said (and present into the Quran) prayer, dua, bowing, prostration, Quran, praise and of course Allah alone.
And brother if I could go to your masjid then yes I would surely pray like you; even if maybe in the details at home I don't do like you.

You don't have to pray like me, a friend at my Masjid is a Shia and he stands side by side with me in congregation, Alhumdulillah.
The differences are minor, such minor differences won't make people of understanding leave the rope of Almighty, Insha-Allah.
Sometimes I go there in Shia Masjid and offer my Salat, I'll try to go there again, maybe today, Insha-Allah.

Our Qiyam, our Ruku, our Sajdah, our Dua, are to 1 Allah, We Worship 1 Allah.

Athar2022

Salaam

& its documented where
I pray every where, including a masjid like probably like you, when driving, watching sport (especially so) but seems more often than not the other side are much better with their prayers

The Life of the Prophet (S.A.W.W) is very well documented, in very detail, the command on following the example of the Prophet(S.A.W.W) is from Allah Himself.

And what is the other side?

And it is lovely to know that you go to the Masjid, Masha-Allah.

Quran 1033
And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided.

Athar2022

OK this concludes to we have to follow Prophet Ibrahim (A.S) on how to pray.

And how to pray is "detailed" in the Quran, Only?

And Our Prophet(S.A.W.W), the Last Prophet ever, will not show us practically on how to Establish the Salah?

From Adam (A.S) to all the Prophets, ending at our Prophet (S.A.W) all of them were Muslim, Alhumdulillah, that is the Belief of us Muslims, whoever reads the Quran, Knows it.

But we are the Ummah of the Last Prophet(S.A.W) and Allah Orders in the Quran

Quran 3321
لَّقَدۡ كَانَ لَكُمۡ فِى رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ أُسۡوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ۬ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرۡجُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلۡيَوۡمَ ٱلۡأَخِرَ وَذَكَرَ ٱللَّهَ كَثِيرً۬ا
"There is indeed a good model for you in the Messenger of Allah - for the one who has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much."

Quran 331-32
قُلۡ إِن كُنتُمۡ تُحِبُّونَ ٱللَّهَ فَٱتَّبِعُونِى يُحۡبِبۡكُمُ ٱللَّهُ وَيَغۡفِرۡ لَكُمۡ ذُنُوبَكُمۡ‌ۗ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ۬ (٣١) قُلۡ أَطِيعُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلرَّسُولَ‌ۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوۡاْ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ ٱلۡكَـٰفِرِينَ (٣٢)
Say “If you really love Allah, then follow me, and Allah shall love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Most-Forgiving, Very-Merciful.”
Say “Obey Allah and the Messenger.” Then, should they turn back, Allah does not love the disbelievers.”

And my question remains UNANSWERED. How do you guys Establish your Salat, How do you give the Call for Prayer ?

truth

Peace,

Before I answer your questions, let us agree that prophet Ibrahim never uttered the words you now do in your prayers.

Let us acknowledge that he did not recite any words in Arabic, nor did he ever send blessings on another prophet in any other language.

This should be as crystal clear to you, as it is to me.

What he did do was admonish his father and others who were idolaters. They had 'carved' their idols into existence with their own hands and minds, and today's 'Mohammedans' are the followers of earlier ones who 'carved' his imagined personality and conception into the idol they worship today in association with The God.

Ibrahim smashed the idols. You can do the same. Destroy the idols which your forefathers have placed upon you and worship The God alone without associating ANYTHING OR ANYONE including men who He chose as prophets and messengers. They have no power to benefit or harm you. Do you still not see how you completely defy The God and the simplicity of rejecting ALL idol worship.

You would be the first to recognise the idolisation of the narrative Jesus by billions, and yet are blind to the idolisation of a later prophet by a billion others including yourself.

So to your questions

How do 'we' pray. We pray the way that we pray. There is no single proper or fixed way. Everyone who acknowledges that The God is The Witness, understands the need to establish a periodic connection to The God by supplication, contemplation, sitting, standing or lying on their sides.

If you believe that having your feet a certain distance apart, or folding your arms or leaving them by your side, raising an index finger or standing a foot up with toes hyperextended is necessary to fulfil this then no one else can object to what you CHOOSE to do.

The form of your connection should not ever take precedence over the purpose of it. So choose a way sincerely and do it the way The God instructs you to do it. You don't need others to coach you specifically on it. Be sincere and do it according to your understanding.

But how about 'communal prayer' you ask. Communal prayer is an innovation for political purposes to establish control and obedience of mindless 'ummiyun' to unauthorised priesthoods of various flavours.

The 'call to prayer' is the one issued by The God to the sincere. The God guides whomever He wills to establish the connection. That is the call. Not an Arabic composition played ad infinitum on public announcement loudspeakers that interferes with the peace of people of differing ways and faiths who are assured that there is NO COMPULSION to follow the way you do. 'To you your way and to me mine' as The Quran mentions clearly.

The peace of communities must be maintained without annoyances. You might think of it as a desirable thing and not an annoyance but it has no place in the modern world where everyone has the equivalent of an atomic clock timekeeper in their mobile phones and any number of other devices that can be set to remind them if they require it.

OK this concludes to we have to follow Prophet Ibrahim (A.S) on how to pray.

And how to pray is "detailed" in the Quran, Only?

And Our Prophet(S.A.W.W), the Last Prophet ever, will not show us practically on how to Establish the Salah?

From Adam (A.S) to all the Prophets, ending at our Prophet (S.A.W) all of them were Muslim, Alhumdulillah, that is the Belief of us Muslims, whoever reads the Quran, Knows it.

But we are the Ummah of the Last Prophet(S.A.W) and Allah Orders in the Quran

Quran 3321
لَّقَدۡ كَانَ لَكُمۡ فِى رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ أُسۡوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ۬ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرۡجُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلۡيَوۡمَ ٱلۡأَخِرَ وَذَكَرَ ٱللَّهَ كَثِيرً۬ا
"There is indeed a good model for you in the Messenger of Allah - for the one who has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much."

Quran 331-32
قُلۡ إِن كُنتُمۡ تُحِبُّونَ ٱللَّهَ فَٱتَّبِعُونِى يُحۡبِبۡكُمُ ٱللَّهُ وَيَغۡفِرۡ لَكُمۡ ذُنُوبَكُمۡ‌ۗ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ۬ (٣١) قُلۡ أَطِيعُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلرَّسُولَ‌ۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوۡاْ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ ٱلۡكَـٰفِرِينَ (٣٢)
Say “If you really love Allah, then follow me, and Allah shall love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Most-Forgiving, Very-Merciful.”
Say “Obey Allah and the Messenger.” Then, should they turn back, Allah does not love the disbelievers.”

And my question remains UNANSWERED. How do you guys Establish your Salat, How do you give the Call for Prayer ?

good_logic

There is some agreement, but let us also use our common sense.
The call for prayer is not mandatory ,it is done for the purpose of congregating together /congregational prayer. Or do you call yourself for every prayer when you pray?
Qoran has detailed the salat windows /timing .
Do you use common sense when living in the 24 hour sun day country or in space -astronaut- or has the prophet left you timing you follow for that?

Does one believe GOD s every word of the 114 chapters? then only GOD Alone should be mentioned for the salat-contact prayer.. Yet different sects innovate and add other names with GOD in the salat.and in Azaans.
How about

Allahu Akbar (God is Great), 4 times
(2) Laa Elaaha Ellah Allah (There is no other god beside God), once.

If you count the total number of "Allahu Akbars" in the Azaan for 5 daily Contact Prayers (5x4 = 20) and add it to the total count of Allahu Akbars said in the 5 Contact Prayers themselves (94), the total comes to 114.

Or is that not measured enough for you.?

Calling to the salat is calling to GOD s contact prayer. .As long as it is standardised and does not mention any other entity beside GOD it does the job.
Don t we complicate the deen enough!

I will stop here. A lot to reflect on or ignore.
You are free to choose your own religion brother.
Thanks for the conversation.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Athar2022

Allah revealed the last Message in Arabic and it is the language that unites all the Muslims in the world, make us 1 Ummah.

We Worship Allah Alone and we ask Allah to Bless the Messenger(S.A.W.W), we ask Allah Alone, We NEVER ask the Prophet(S.A.W.W)

It is ordered in the Quran
Quran 3356
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓٮِٕڪَتَهُ ۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ صَلُّواْ عَلَيۡهِ وَسَلِّمُواْ تَسۡلِيمًا (٥٦)
"Allah and His angels send blessings to the Prophet. O you who believe, pray to Allah to bless him, and send your Salam to him in abundance."

Let me remind you again
We NEVER ask the Messenger(S.A.W.W), nor we ever make any Idol of him, a Muslim can NEVER do that, It should be as clear as day to you, my Brother.

You pray lying at your sides, sitting, standing, that is "Dua"and not "Salah" that is not how we are Commanded to "Establish Salah".

Quran 1440
رَبِّ ٱجْعَلْنِى مُقِيمَ ٱلصَّلَوٰةِ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِى ۚ رَبَّنَا وَتَقَبَّلْ دُعَآءِ
"My Lord, make me steadfast in Salah, and my offspring as well. And, Our Lord, grant my Dua."

And yes you can keep your feet together or apart, it does not matter, you can keep your arms down or folded, does not matter either, we do the Qiyam. the Ruku and the Sajda as commanded in the Quran and Practiced by the Prophet (S.A.W.W)

And call to the prayer is taught by the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.W) and you are laughing at Arabic, the language of Quran, the language that unites us Muslims.

We Muslims establish Salah in congregation as the Prophet(S.A.W.W) taught us, the Prophet (S.A.W.W) is to be followed, not you or anyone else my Brother.

You must have seen all of us at Hajj together, all the sects, we are 1 Muslim Ummah doing the Hajj together, shoulder to shoulder, Establishing our Salah together, this is what the Disbelievers hate the most.

Noon_waalqalami

It is ordered in the Quran
Quran 3356
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓٮِٕڪَتَهُ ۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ صَلُّواْ عَلَيۡهِ وَسَلِّمُواْ تَسۡلِيمًا (٥٦)
"Allah and His angels send blessings to the Prophet. O you who believe, pray to Allah to bless him, and send your Salam to him in abundance."

peace, صلوا sallu/bless ye of علىه upon him (asking them back then)

good_logic

Whether it is our salat or loyalty or ibada or...about the religion ,everything has only one authority and origin GOD Alone./no idols or other authority.

The prophet was ordered as follows
This is a revelation of the scripture, from God, the Almighty, the Wise.
تَنزيلُ الكِتٰبِ مِنَ اللَّهِ العَزيزِ الحَكيمِ
We sent down to you this scripture, truthfully; you shall Ubud/follow/serve... God, devoting your religion to Him alone.
إِنّا أَنزَلنا إِلَيكَ الكِتٰبَ بِالحَقِّ فَاعبُدِ اللَّهَ مُخلِصًا لَهُ الدّينَ
And to us the same message
Absolutely, the religion shall be devoted to God alone. Those who set up idols beside Him say, "We idolize them only to bring us closer to God; for they are in a better position!" God will judge them regarding their disputes. God does not guide such liars, disbelievers.
أَلا لِلَّهِ الدّينُ الخالِصُ وَالَّذينَ اتَّخَذوا مِن دونِهِ أَولِياءَ ما نَعبُدُهُم إِلّا لِيُقَرِّبونا إِلَى اللَّهِ زُلفىٰ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَحكُمُ بَينَهُم فى ما هُم فيهِ يَختَلِفونَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لا يَهدى مَن هُوَ كٰذِبٌ كَفّارٌ

We are all vulnerable to idol worship by our nature. We blame others and find excuses

On the day when He summons them, together with the idols they had set up beside God, He will say, "Have you misled these servants of Mine, or did they go astray on their own?"
وَيَومَ يَحشُرُهُم وَما يَعبُدونَ مِن دونِ اللَّهِ فَيَقولُ ءَأَنتُم أَضلَلتُم عِبادى هٰؤُلاءِ أَم هُم ضَلُّوا السَّبيلَ
They will say, "Be You glorified, it was not right for us to set up any lords beside You. But You allowed them to enjoy, together with their parents. Consequently, they disregarded the message and thus became wicked people."
قالوا سُبحٰنَكَ ما كانَ يَنبَغى لَنا أَن نَتَّخِذَ مِن دونِكَ مِن أَولِياءَ وَلٰكِن مَتَّعتَهُم وَءاباءَهُم حَتّىٰ نَسُوا الذِّكرَ وَكانوا قَومًا بورًا
They have disbelieved in the message you have given them, and, consequently, you can neither protect them from the retribution they have incurred, nor can you help them in any way. Anyone among you who commits evil, we will commit him to severe retribution.
فَقَد كَذَّبوكُم بِما تَقولونَ فَما تَستَطيعونَ صَرفًا وَلا نَصرًا وَمَن يَظلِم مِنكُم نُذِقهُ عَذابًا كَبيرًا

Messengers Are Just Human Beings. They pass on the message and cannot protect us from wrong.. They go through the test and we go through the test . Are we failing the test ?

We did not send any messengers before you who did not eat food and walk in the markets. We thus test you by each other; will you steadfastly persevere? Your Lord is Seer.
وَما أَرسَلنا قَبلَكَ مِنَ المُرسَلينَ إِلّا إِنَّهُم لَيَأكُلونَ الطَّعامَ وَيَمشونَ فِى الأَسواقِ وَجَعَلنا بَعضَكُم لِبَعضٍ فِتنَةً أَتَصبِرونَ وَكانَ رَبُّكَ بَصيرًا

A final thought to ponder for all of us.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.

stillearning

Salaam athar 2022

You have not answered any of my questions, even though they were short and required simple answers.

Lets try again

Was everything the prophet received from Jabreel documented in the Quran?
You said the method of prayer was revealed to the prophet during Isra. So how did the prophet/muslims pray before Isra?
I asked you where the method of prayer as revealed during the journey of Isra documented & your response;

The Life of the Prophet (S.A.W.W) is very well documented, in very detail, the command on following the example of the Prophet(S.A.W.W) is from Allah Himself.

You obviously consider yourself to be a very knowledgeable person, so can you please be more specific and post the documented source.

And what is the other side?

Sorry you did not grasp my point, it was response to where i pray. At sporting events usually 2 sides and often I pray for the success of my side(s) but more often than not my prayers are not answered. Hope that makes sense. If not I will simplify it further for you

And it is lovely to know that you go to the Masjid, Masha-Allah.

Thank you for that, however I don't think Allah is based just in any specific place. Perhaps, guessing from your name, Bullay Shah's poetry about Masjids, temples etc is not a bad read/listen

Rather than lengthy discussion lets keep things brief & simple so the wood does not get mixed with the trees. Then hopefully we can learn from each other

Athar2022

Lets try again

Was everything the prophet received from Jabreel documented in the Quran?
You said the method of prayer was revealed to the prophet during Isra. So how did the prophet/muslims pray before Isra?
I asked you where the method of prayer as revealed during the journey of Isra documented & your response;
Allah knows the best.
I am a believer of Allah and Allah orders me to follow the Prophet (S.A.W), the sayings and deeds of the Prophet are a part of my faith.
The correct word is Salah, The Gift of Salah came to us through the Messenger (S.A.W) after Isra.
Deen did not complete in 1 day, it took years, 23 years.
Is Rasul-Allah (S.A.W) Not Enough for me? IRasul-Allah showed us how to pray and all of us Muslims Sunni or Shia whoever they maybe, we have the same method.

We Establish the prayer, we don't lie on the bed and then establish our prayer.

Athar2022

Good Logic,

You choose a select few verses and leave the rest of the Quran, why is that ?

You are a Logical person why would you do that ?

I see that you are fond of Number 19, every Muslim should be, this is our prayer to Allah when we are ending our Salah

اَللّٰھُمَّ صَلِّ عَلٰی مُحَمَّدٍ وَّ عَلٰٓی اٰلِ مُحَمَّدٍ کَمَا صَلَّیْتَ عَلٰٓی اِبْرَاھِیْمَ وَ عَلٰٓی اٰلِ اِبْرَاھِیْمَ اِنَّکَ حَمِیْدٌ مَّجِیْدٌ

اَللّٰھُمَّ بَارِکْ عَلٰی مُحَمَّدٍ وَّ عَلٰٓی اٰلِ مُحَمَّدٍ کَمَا بَارَکْتَ عَلٰٓی اِبْرَاھِیْمَ وَ عَلٰٓی اٰلِ اِبْرَاھِیْمَ اِنَّکَ حَمِیْدٌ مَّجِیْدٌ