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Salam Athar2022
I just quoted the Orders of Almighty, did not say anything else, lets not impose our thinking on others, lets follow the Quran with an open mind
Nobody has power to force anyone else here. Yes, let's follow the guidance in Quran.
Here are the verses again, very clear
Quran
3321 Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example for whoever has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah often.
Yes ...as mentioned in the verse, in messenger of God there is excellent example.
The thing that Sunni fail to understand is the excellent example is not supposed to be found in sahih hadith books.
Let's take a look at this hadith
https//sunnah.com/bukhari5133
Narrated `Aishathat the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Is marrying a six year old girl an excellent example?
480 He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian.
Yes ...as mentioned in the verse, whoever obeys the messenger has obeyed God.
The thing that Sunni fail to understand is obeying sahih hadith books is not obeying messenger.
Let's take a look at this hadith
https//sunnah.com/muslim1691a
'Abdullah b. 'Abbas reported that 'Umar b. Khattab sat on the pulpit of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and saidVerily Allah sent Muhammad (ﷺ) with truth and He sent down the Book upon him, and the verse of stoning was included in what was sent down to him. We recited it, retained it in our memory and understood it. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) awarded the punishment of stoning to death (to the married adulterer and adulteress) and, after him, we also awarded the punishment of stoning, I am afraid that with the lapse of time, the people (may forget it) and may say We do not find the punishment of stoning in the Book of Allah, and thus go astray by abandoning this duty prescribed by Allah. Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah's Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession.
Is stoning adulterer obeying messenger?
The adulteress and the adulterer, you shall lash each of them with one hundred lashes, and do not let any pity overtake you regarding the system of God if you believe in God and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.
As per 242, stoning adulterer cannot be obeying messenger. If we obey sahih hadith books, we are actually disobeying God. And this creates contradiction of 480 in which it is mentioned that those who obey messenger has indeed obeyed God.
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Boy I have the best ever example from Prophet.. You know what.. .. Pls hadith followers if you really love prophet pls follow this example.. Coz this is the best..
Be illiterate.. Pls don't educate your children...thats the best thing you can do to follow illiterate prophet.. Why not follow? Do you disregard illiterate prophet by educating yout children.. If he was illiterate then ensure by following him... Being illiterate is showing huge respect to him..
Nonsensical people who thinks every word spoken is against them.. -
All food was lawful to the children of Israel except that which Israel had forbidden to himself, before the Taurat was revealed. Say Bring then the Taurat and read it, if you are truthful.
God says this verse to Prophet to say to Jews.. Isn't it?
Why God says to bring the Torah ONLY?... why not Tulmad? In it is the clarifications of Torah according blinded Jews same as blinded Hadith followers.. Was Torah enough? Yes. That's the book.. Did God say He revealed Torah and another book or Injeel and another book for jews and Christians respectively? No..
Use logic emotional bunch of hadith boasters.. So those who follow Quran is not following messenger.. rotfl rotfl rotfl... So if we follow Hadith books of any nature.. We follow messenger.. Wow.. Is your brain in your foot..?
So literally obey Allah is Quran and obey messenger means Hadith books.. Isn't that you people try to convince.. rotflWHAT DO YOU FOLLOW FROM QURAN..? do you follow anything in Quran.. Tell me in your daily life.. At least your lovely shahada.. Is it from QURAN..?
Where is Quran in your life.. So you follow Hadith alone.. Only Hadith.. So you think following hadith makes following obeying Messenger.. So where is the obeying of God.. How do you obey God.. You don't follow Quran.. So how you obey God.. God says in Quran for steps before salat.. Do you obey God here.. You don't do four steps.. You obey hadith.. Obey Allah and obey messenger.. But you clearly disobeying Allah.. Just nonsensical.. Super hilarious.. -
243 And do not mix the truth with falsehood or conceal the truth while you know
They themselves collected Hadith and they themselves removed many millions hadiths and made books such buhari, tirmidi etc etc etc.. Human invented books in the name of Prophet..
Who is mixing falsehood with truth, who is concealing truth ?
Blinded without knowing to them... And they call the followers of Quran erroneous? They should feel shame for that... Real believers will always follow God's Book and they will choose the right guidance from it... God guides... God can and will misguides who He wills with HIs books... that's for sure.. If misguided they are not believers... So no worries...Believers definitely know they are believers or not... if one says i don't know.. that's enough for his hypocrisy... God addresses o you who believe is not to be in doubt.. Hypocrites know their hypocrisy.. disbelievers know their disbelief... and believers know that they are believers..
keep following hadith and call yourself believers, who cares... -
1094 "So if you are in doubt, , about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters."
Mohamed was just a human being like me and all... But selected Prophet and a Messenger to deliver God's Messages to His people in God's Will not in Mohamed's own will he applied for the post of Prophet...
O my fellow believers note the above verse meticulously... God says if you are in doubt... That's a hefty statement from God.. It seems he has doubted or had concern.. let's hope was not.. but something was there for Allah to state it.. But question to those who follow hadith and specially those who say Mohamed did go to high heaven and met all prophets one by one and talked to them and in the end met God and Got Salat (5 times) after Musa begged from 50 to 5... well He did something called Asra... Whatever... So This Prophet has clearly seen everything Hell fire people in it and Paradise and all other Angels etc.. what else he saw who knows.. The point is For This Prophet God orders in the above verse manifestly saying "then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you." why IF YOU ARE IN DOUBT....
Super funny ... isn't it? The man who met God and saw all miraculous things in the High Heaven is in doubt and God orders to go and ask those who got the scripture before... rotfl rotflTruth is O! blinded people who follow hadith, This prophet was innocent from what you claim.. He got the message but not sure .. not convinced... You know why Quran was revealed to him in an extended period and not all at once in order for him to get himself first assured... O followers of Hadith, if i was mohamed and gone to meet God and high heaven i won't act so cheaply like him doubting or going to those who were given scripture before..
Shame on you guys... never grasped what qurans says..
at least in this forum that you are wrong...how can it be possible while they are blinded..if God sent astray, can our words make them ponder.. -
6006 “There has certainly been for you in them an excellent example (hasana) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day. “
3321 “There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent example (hasana) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day
Just carefully notice both above verse... Identical isn't it? Only those who deeply ponder would get the meaning ..
I don't know why Hasana is translated as Example.. anyway..Note the verses.. Within Quran 6006 you get the Aswat Hasana of those people and Ibrahim.. And within Quran we get Aswat Hasana of Messenger..
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Is marrying a six year old girl an excellent example?
Shocking part is how many pro-hadith group jus gloss over this. It is also one of the major facts used by anti muslim groups to attack islam.
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Shocking part is how many pro-hadith group jus gloss over this. It is also one of the major facts used by anti muslim groups to attack islam.
Obviously the messenger of God would never commit such a thing.
I wanna know what is the truth then regarding this issue?
Any historical facts proves otherwise.Thanks
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Peace Fusion.
Suppose there is no historical facts that proves it otherwise ,does this mean it is true?In that case a historical lie will remain as true ?.
It should be the opposite .
GOD bless you.
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Peace,
Sad-Lam-Waw = prayer, supplication, petition, oration, eulogy, benediction, commendation, blessing, honour, magnify, bring forth, follow closely, walk/follow behind closely, to remain attached.
In a horse race when the second horse follows the first one so closely that its head always overlaps the first horse’s body that horse is called AL-MUSSALLI (i.e. the one who follows closely / remains attached).
Central portion of the back, portion from where the tail of an animal comes out, the rump.musalla (مصلي) n. m. - 2125
Allah disdains not to use the similitude of things, lowest as well as highest. Those who believe know that it is truth from their Lord; but those who reject Faith say "What means Allah by this similitude?" By it He causes many to stray, and many He leads into the right path; but He causes not to stray, except those who forsake the path.
We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).
peace
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Peace,
Sad-Lam-Waw = prayer, supplication, petition, oration, eulogy, benediction, commendation, blessing, honour, magnify, bring forth, follow closely, walk/follow behind closely, to remain attached.
In a horse race when the second horse follows the first one so closely that its head always overlaps the first horse’s body that horse is called AL-MUSSALLI (i.e. the one who follows closely / remains attached).
Central portion of the back, portion from where the tail of an animal comes out, the rump.musalla (مصلي) n. m. - 2125
Allah disdains not to use the similitude of things, lowest as well as highest. Those who believe know that it is truth from their Lord; but those who reject Faith say "What means Allah by this similitude?" By it He causes many to stray, and many He leads into the right path; but He causes not to stray, except those who forsake the path.
We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).
peace
Since you mentioned the above verses. Would like to know your own research says where is this house of Abraham that was mentioned and its physical location?
Is it Inside the Kaaba in makkah? If not surely at the time of prophet honor people would have known. Any history documents? Unless this house of Abraham I to be taken metaphoricallyBest regards
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Since you mentioned the above verses. Would like to know your own research says where is this house of Abraham that was mentioned and its physical location?
Is it Inside the Kaaba in makkah? If not surely at the time of prophet honor people would have known. Any history documents? Unless this house of Abraham I to be taken metaphoricallyBest regards
Your question has been around for a long time, I suggest for you to do your own research. Apologies. handshake peace
