Wiping over socks, shoes, and any footwear in ablution?
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Salaamun alaikum,
Do you wipe over your footwear or at least believe it's allowed?
In Hafs recitation wiping head and feet is allowed.
In Warsh it states to wipe the head but wash feet. So here wiping isn't allowed.
I used the search function didn't see many topics for it.
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peace
فاغسلوا fa-ighsilu/so washes ye of
غ س ل
غَسَلَ
to clean by washing, to washوامسحوا wa-imsahu/and wipes ye of
م س ح
مَسَحَ
to wipe off, to sweep56 ىاىها O you الذىن the ones امنوا believes ye of اذا when of قمتم stand you الى for الصلوه the connection (player) فاغسلوا fa-ighsilu/so washes ye of وجوهكم faces yours واىدىكم and hands yours الى to المرافق the elbow وامسحوا wa-imsahu/and wipes ye of بروسكم in heads yours وارجلكم and feet yours الى to الكعبىن the ankles two وان and if كنتم be you جنبا impure of فاطهروا so purifies ye of وان and if كنتم be you مرضى ill او or على on سفر journey او or جا came احد anyone منكم among you من from الغاىط the toilet او or لمستم touch you النسا the womenfolk فلم so not تجدوا find ye of ما water فتىمموا so dry ablution ye of صعىدا ground of طىبا pure of فامسحوا fa-imsahu/so wipes ye of بوجوهكم in faces yours واىدىكم and hands yours منه with it ما not ىرىد intended الله the God لىجعل to maketh علىكم upon you من any حرج critical ولكن and however ىرىد intended لىطهركم to purified you ولىتم and to complete نعمته favor his علىكم upon you لعلكم perhaps you تشكرون thanksgiving
these manuscripts predate hafs (died 796 CE) and warsh (died 812 CE) by ~150 years
Birmingham, Cadbury Research Library (University of Birmingham) Islamic Arabic 1572
https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/verse-navigator/sura/5/verse/6/manuscripts/281/page/3v
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Berlin, State Library ms.or.fol. 4313
https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/verse-navigator/sura/5/verse/6/manuscripts/15/page/3r
https//i.postimg.cc/6pHZxxsf/ch5v6-12.jpg
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I agree it's to do with diacritics but the logic/flow of the verse implies wiping is correct, e.g. the parts that are washed are to be wiped with pure ground if no water.
It has been discussed a few times
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603119.msg313574#msg313574 -
It's a matter of Arabic diacritics of that word. If pronounced with kasra, as it comes in Hafs, it's wiping the feet. If it's recited with a fathah as in Warsh, then it's washing.
peace
"in context" how can it mean to "wash" feet?
وَامْسَحُوا بِرُءُوسِكُمْ وَأَرْجُلَكُمْ إِلَى الْكَعْبَيْنِ
the oldest manuscript does have fatha over lam ("la" i.e. "arjulakum"
red dots may have been added later regardless if kasra "li" "arjulikum"see 7th line from top last word
https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/verse-navigator/sura/5/verse/6/manuscripts/281/page/3vhttps//i.postimg.cc/15tWgV6G/and-feet-yours.jpg
why not "wipe" head feet with moist hands from water used to "wash" face hands as stated?
56 ...
فاغسلوا so washes ye of وجوهكم faces yours
واىدىكم and hands yours الى to المرافق the elbowوامسحوا and wipes ye of بروسكم in heads yours
وارجلكم and feet yours الى to الكعبىن the ankles two -
I agree it's to do with diacritics but the logic/flow of the verse implies wiping is correct, e.g. the parts that are washed are to be wiped with pure ground if no water.
It has been discussed a few times
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603119.msg313574#msg313574What about wiping over footwear? Socks, shoes..?
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peace
"in context" how can it mean to "wash" feet?
وَامْسَحُوا بِرُءُوسِكُمْ وَأَرْجُلَكُمْ إِلَى الْكَعْبَيْنِ
the oldest manuscript does have fatha over lam ("la" i.e. "arjulakum"
red dots may have been added later regardless if kasra "li" "arjulikum"see 7th line from top last word
https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/verse-navigator/sura/5/verse/6/manuscripts/281/page/3vhttps//i.postimg.cc/15tWgV6G/and-feet-yours.jpg
why not "wipe" head feet with moist hands from water used to "wash" face hands as stated?
56 ...
فاغسلوا so washes ye of وجوهكم faces yours
واىدىكم and hands yours الى to المرافق the elbowوامسحوا and wipes ye of بروسكم in heads yours
وارجلكم and feet yours الى to الكعبىن the ankles twoWould you wipe over footwear?
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Peace,
If I tell you what I do or think, is it capable of changing your belief on the matter so much that you follow my example?
Why or why not?
What is it that you do, and why do you do it that way? ... is a better question that you have the answer to already, or you would think so. So start there.
What do you do, and why?
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Would you wipe over footwear?
no mention of gloves, hats, socks, shoes or too lazy to remove
notice words with bi ("in" cannot wash no water (dry ablution)
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فاغسلوا fa-ighsilu/so washes ye of وجوهكم faces yours واىدىكم and hands yours الى to المرافق the elbowوامسحوا wa-imsahu/and wipes ye of بروسكم in heads yours وارجلكم and feet yours الى to الكعبىن the ankles two
فامسحوا fa-imsahu/so wipes ye of بوجوهكم in faces yours واىدىكم and hands yours منه with it
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فامسحوا fa-imsahu/so wipes ye of بوجوهكم in faces yours واىدىكم and hands yourshttps//corpuscoranicum.de/en/verse-navigator/sura/4/verse/43/manuscripts/73/page/15v
https//i.postimg.cc/Wbc6z3RX/ch4v36-45.jpg
peace!
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notice words with bi ("in" cannot wash no water (dry ablution)
56
فاغسلوا fa-ighsilu/so washes ye of وجوهكم faces yours واىدىكم and hands yours الى to المرافق the elbowوامسحوا wa-imsahu/and wipes ye of بروسكم in heads yours وارجلكم and feet yours الى to الكعبىن the ankles two
فامسحوا fa-imsahu/so wipes ye of بوجوهكم in faces yours واىدىكم and hands yours منه with it
443
فامسحوا fa-imsahu/so wipes ye of بوجوهكم in faces yours واىدىكم and hands yourshttps//corpuscoranicum.de/en/verse-navigator/sura/4/verse/43/manuscripts/73/page/15v
The use of "bi" is a good point, as it is used when wiping is discussed, both for water and pure ground. Thus strengthens the argument for wiping feet not washing them.
