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Man_of_Faith

What is a "sectarian attack"?

Looks like throwing rocks in glasshouses here.

I didn't use so harsh words and surely not more unfriendly than your common wordings. Anyway sorry to have upset you. I said sorry for saying it. And I said that you're free to believe what you wanna believe.

The eat book I said for your constant tendency to remind me of my apparent lack of skill at Arabic. Thus I said you can eat your Arabic Book and bla bla.. yes as you read. It's not so offensive is it, but rather a sign of annoyance.

I tried to keep it quite friendly and not so escalated.

Report it to the moderators if you'd like, but if they'd react except saying that it's off-topic and redundant then I am puzzled.

Let me have my night now will ya?

The_Chimp

What is a "sectarian attack"?

Looks like throwing rocks in glasshouses here.

I didn't use so harsh words and surely not more unfriendly than your common wordings. Anyway sorry to have upset you. I said sorry for saying it. And I said that you're free to believe what you wanna believe.

The eat book I said for your constant tendency to remind me of my apparent lack of skill at Arabic. Thus I said you can eat your Arabic Book and bla bla.. yes as you read. It's not so offensive is it, but rather a sign of annoyance.

I tried to keep it quite friendly and not so escalated.

Report it to the moderators if you'd like, but if they'd react except saying that it's off-topic and redundant then I am puzzled.

Let me have my night now will ya?

If you are that worried about your night - why bother to reply? You are choosing to prolong this. . . talk about having your cake and eating it too.

What is a "sectarian attack"?

I already explained - using sectarian language to attack the person RATHER than the sect/belief itself.

Examples

I said I don't care about your religion and that was just out of courtesy. You can choose to follow it, but you act out on my choice.

It doesn't matter bud', I ain't following your stuff. Who wants to follow it can do so, but otherwise there is a more logical approach. I fell into the trap before of becoming overly unfriendly with you in response to your lack of attitude, but this is as vile as I am gonna get now. But I find your overall attitude appalling and lots of other people find it that way too.

You can go on with your rituals or your religious ideas, but don't force 'em on me please. I don't want the Arabia anno 7th century with wife beatings or polygamy then I rather follow my "Westernized" Islam as you call it. And I ain't regarding my God as a neanderthal god either. My God is up-to-date with space, technology and all this stuff, and God does communicate with us.

This is a forum - I cannot "force" anything on to you. And when you came out with this - it was completely unwarranted. Mine or your beliefs were not in question.

Like I said - if you wish to attack Sunnism - sure that is a whole different ball game.

I tried to keep it quite friendly and not so escalated.

There was no need for it in the 1st place.

This is my last post on the matter - we are not having a spat. anything to say to me - PM. Else....

mmkhan

Sorry - but not quite buying it. Almighty does not go around handing out personal interpretations by inspiration. Yes, that does happen - but people tend to keep that quiet.

The only valid interpretations are achieved by linguistic perspective and reasoning.

This shows me that you have just read alQuraan and never studied alKitaab. I suggest you try to studying alKitaab.
Anyway, I think it is better for us to agree to disagree with each other. handshake

And please do not discuss any other personal or non-related to this thread matters in here. This is not only for you but for all. Thanks.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

unknownuser

When did he say that? Diacritc Marks are not really modern invention. They go back to 664-673 Muawyiah 1.

I never said if diacritic is modern invention.
Please re-read my post again.

Modern terms? Which ones are them again? Sunshine - I have studied and specialize in Classical Arabic. Try not to make things up.

Triliteral roots are even older than Arabic and go back back to the main trunk the Semitic languages. Arabic does not have bilietral roots. And this is "Classical" Arabic.

In this thread we discussing Quran not Arabic (including it's new/updated system).

Trilinear roots system created based on diacritic/vocal system (related with pronouncation) .
During ancient Islam this system even never used at all, please check medieval Arabic linguistic learning book like Alfiyah Ibn Malik, Tashrif Al-Izzi etc.

Language is one, easy if we have intention for learn it.
But as time passed professor, theorist or other university people who very smart for create new innovations within languages, make the languages is too formal for study.

According some linguistic lecturers, a person who learn a languages informally will get more advantages than students in the school.
People may get quick learn of vocabularies and linguistic pattern of english by speak with the natives, medias (music, movies, video games) etc.

I have neighboor who capable speak Arab, not because she get formal education, but because she ever became expat workers in Saudi Arabia for some years.
Myself know english, understand what members said in here because of medias like movie and music.
Honestly I don't fully mastering modern innovations of english like past tense, past pefect, modals (can, could, may etc).

Peace

The_Chimp

This shows me that you have just read alQuraan and never studied alKitaab. I suggest you try to studying alKitaab.
Anyway, I think it is better for us to agree to disagree with each other. handshake

And please do not discuss any other personal or non-related to this thread matters in here. This is not only for you but for all. Thanks.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

This shows me that you have just read alQuraan and never studied alKitaab. I suggest you try to studying alKitaab.

And what does that mean? What exactly is the "Al Kitaab" - and how does one go about studying it?

And please do not discuss any other personal or non-related to this thread matters in here. This is not only for you but for all. Thanks.

If someone raises an issue - I answer!

The_Chimp

I never said if diacritic is modern invention.
Please re-read my post again.

And what are you saying?

Look, sweetheart - what do you know about Arabic? How much have you studied? Or are you just rambling on for effect?

Trilinear roots system created based on diacritic/vocal system (related with pronouncation) .
During ancient Islam this system even never used at all, please check medieval Arabic linguistic learning book like Alfiyah Ibn Malik, Tashrif Al-Izzi etc.

Poppycock! Now you are mentioning book names for effect. I studied Alfiyah - and what you are claiming simply is not true.

Stop making things up!

Else - give evidence. Arabic had triliteral roots EVEN before it came into existence as separate language.

Language is one, easy if we have intention for learn it.
But as time passed professor, theorist or other university people who very smart for create new innovations within languages, make the languages is too formal for study.

What are you talking about here? Evidence?

According some linguistic lecturers, a person who learn a languages informally will get more advantages than students in the school.

Which one's name and quotes please?

I have neighboor who capable speak Arab, not because she get formal education, but because she ever became expat workers in Saudi Arabia for some years.
Myself know english, understand what members said in here because of medias like movie and music.
Honestly I don't fully mastering modern innovations of english like past tense, past pefect, modals (can, could, may etc).

Sorry - Not interested in your neighbour or whatnot. offtopic

mmkhan

And what does that mean? What exactly is the "Al Kitaab" - and how does one go about studying it?

If someone raises an issue - I answer!

Please take a look at this thread, inshaAllah it may help you see the difference between alQuraan and alKitaab.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

The_Chimp

Please take a look at this thread, inshaAllah it may help you see the difference between alQuraan and alKitaab.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

Hmmm . . . this just seems to be a personal perspective on your part. For me - Quran is the book and that is it. There are no 2 things.

mmkhan

Hmmm . . . this just seems to be a personal perspective on your part. For me - Quran is the book and that is it. There are no 2 things.

Well, then what does the following means?

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22 That is the Book in which there is no doubt, a guidance for Al-Muttaqeen.

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2185 A month of aspiration, in which the Quran was revealed; as a guide to the mankind and clarities from the guidance and the Criterion. Therefore, whoever of you witnesses the month, then let him fast therein. And whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and glorify God for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful.

What does this mean?

alQuraan is a guidance for alNaas
alKitaab is a guidance for alMuttaqeen

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

Aladin_Azra

alKitaab is a guidance for alMuttaqeen

Not "el-kitaab", but "that Kitaab" (dhalike-l-kitaabu).

Weled is about breeding, rearing, educating, rising, helping a child. It can be born child, but it can also be adopted child, or just a child one take care of. Ibn is born child. Its root refers to something interconnected, as in word beyne ("between&quot, and is also used as a verb benaa, in sense of "to build" (or to connect parts, building something). So, ibn is begotten male child and bint is begotten female child. Ed`iyaa' are adopted kids (lit. "called children&quot. Weled stands for all of them. Similarly, waalid and other words include all parents, ones who begot a child or adopted or took care of some child.

In relation to Allah, weled means that He didn't take anybody to rise (educate), we all have our own will, nobody's programmed to be special in that, even son of Meryem.

Main proof for me for this is in 7127, when NooH's asking from Allah not to leave his people, because they won't RISE, except faajir, keffaar.