Marrying modern day christians is haram based on Quran
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Sorry, I misunderstood what you said earlier. To you point about the muminat, the verse says that they are not lawful (wives) to the kuffar. It would make the most sense that they are strictly muslims, because if they weren’t then why would they follow a rule from a book they don’t believe in.
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i don't get what you mean by that (highlighted)... lol..
Conventional Muslims are mostly so religious in terms of rituals... God's Message is in the book of Quran... i am afraid they follow it or not... Do you think a true believer away from conventional life style be able to live a true life with conventional Muslim.. If possible with conventional Muslim why not with any other religious people... Everyone has a sort of belief in God/ gods except Atheists..
Because our beliefs are extremely similar, they do not worship the prophet, and it would be easy to make them see that there are corruptions in the ahadith.
If somebody knows about Islam, and they reject it, then there is a high possibility they are kafir, we don’t know what is in there hearts, therefore it is too risky to marry them.
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Because our beliefs are extremely similar, they do not worship the prophet, and it would be easy to make them see that there are corruptions in the ahadith.
If somebody knows about Islam, and they reject it, then there is a high possibility they are kafir, we don’t know what is in there hearts, therefore it is too risky to marry them.
i am afraid... the who follow quran alone and the conventional muslims are not same in any angle... huge difference...Practically i have experienced and experiencing..
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i am afraid... the who follow quran alone and the conventional muslims are not same in any angle... huge difference...Practically i have experienced and experiencing..
How so?
Btw I am not a quran only muslim. I follow the sunnah on how to perform rituals, such as praying. These are muttawatir traditions that have been succesively passed down by most muslims throughout the generations. I don’t see why or how they would be corrupted. I can see why the ahadith would be corrupted by people for their own personal gain but not this. We can agree to disagree on this. Not something im interested in debating -
After reading some verses, my opinion is incorrect. Ahl ul kitab are mentioned in the quran as doing shirk. However it is only permissible to marry a christian woman, it is not permissible to marry a christian man. I base this on the fact that god prohibited us from marrying kufar, christians are mentioned as “kafaru” but he only made an exception for men to marry ahl ul kitab.
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After reading some verses, my opinion is incorrect. Ahl ul kitab are mentioned in the quran as doing shirk. However it is only permissible to marry a christian woman, it is not permissible to marry a christian man. I base this on the fact that god prohibited us from marrying kufar, christians are mentioned as “kafaru” but he only made an exception for men to marry ahl ul kitab.
I don't think you picked the verse correct... Why you say only Christians here.. Is ahl Ul Kitab means only Chrisitians.. my point here though is why you say only men are allowed to Believing Chrisitain women... from where you say this.. did you misunderstand the verse or you say coz conventional muslims say so...
Same verse says all foods of ahl ul kitab is permitted for you... Does that mean only Men can eat those food not women...
God has said clearly who are allowed to marry.. All of them women in general... take quran in wide angle.. It may have used in male form but it applies to women as well...Why a woman cannot marry a believing men from Christian? What reason.. If he is a believer what's wrong in that person... Is it coz his race Nasara/Christian? How can being a Nasara disqualifies for marriage while he is a believer ...
so unless you give a rational reply... i totally disagree with you..
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@almaz...
why not get out of the shackles of conventional way and think broadly with wits...see the logic... A (Christian) believing woman allowed to marry a Man from a normal (Ummi) believing Man.. so she has the privilege just coz she is a christian, but a believing woman (ummi) cannot marry a believing man from Christian...
what logic is that? God is just ... don't make Him unjust unknowingly...
2221 says clearly don't marry those who associate... coz they drag us to Hell fire...how can one live a family life who gradually drag us to fire.. No way.. find out what shirk according to quran..
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My view is based on reasoning not because of what traditional muslims say. I say christians because they are mentioned as kafar. God forbade us from marrying kufar. God made a specific exemption for men to marry christian woman since they are ahl kitab, if the same exemption applied to marrying christian men, then it would’ve been stated that there is an exemption for them as well. Their is no such statement therefore Haram.
Another thing to keep in mind is in the modern world, it is extremely difficult to find chaste woman that are not muslims, so this discussion is more of theoretical discussion.
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My view is based on reasoning not because of what traditional muslims say. I say christians because they are mentioned as kafar. God forbade us from marrying kufar. God made a specific exemption for men to marry christian woman since they are ahl kitab, if the same exemption applied to marrying christian men, then it would’ve been stated that there is an exemption for them as well. Their is no such statement therefore Haram.
Another thing to keep in mind is in the modern world, it is extremely difficult to find chaste woman that are not muslims, so this discussion is more of theoretical discussion.
No dear ... no logic at all in your statement... same as hadith followers...
read verse 55 carefully...
okay.. let's put this way.. Did God ever said in a separate verse for women that you should not marry such and such people.. God said only to Men.. So where is instruction in separate verse for women...So if you take that verse as common why not this... -
@almaz...
why not get out of the shackles of conventional way and think broadly with wits...see the logic... A (Christian) believing woman allowed to marry a Man from a normal (Ummi) believing Man.. so she has the privilege just coz she is a christian, but a believing woman (ummi) cannot marry a believing man from Christian...
what logic is that? God is just ... don't make Him unjust unknowingly...
2221 says clearly don't marry those who associate... coz they drag us to Hell fire...how can one live a family life who gradually drag us to fire.. No way.. find out what shirk according to quran..
You cannot say that either christian is a believer, if they were they would’ve accepted Islam. Also men are naturally the leaders in the relationships, it is a lot more likely for a man to drive his wife away from islam than vice versa.
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No dear ... no logic at all in your statement... same as hadith followers...
read verse 55 carefully...
okay.. let's put this way.. Did God ever said in a separate verse for women that you should not marry such and such people.. God said only to Men.. So where is instruction in separate verse for women...So if you take that verse as common why not this...Quran 6010
Also it is not right for you to insult me. We are having a discussion, if you fail to see the logic then plz first try to understand my reasoning without having a knee jerk reaction.
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423 Prohibited to you are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And the wives of your sons who are from your loins, and that you take two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.
okay bring me the verse for women if this is only for Men...?
55 "This day good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And chaste women from among the believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.
So the above verse 55 only for Men...
and 423 is only for Men...
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423 Prohibited to you are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And the wives of your sons who are from your loins, and that you take two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.
okay bring me the verse for women if this is only for Men...?
It doesn’t need a verse. If I tell you it is prohibited to marry your aunt, then doesn’t that automatically mean that your aunt can’t marry you. These are two different logical scenarios
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Quran 6010
Also it is not right for you to insult me. We are having a discussion, if you fail to see the logic then plz first try to understand my reasoning without having a knee jerk reaction.
Where i have insulted you... read well... try to find out the intention of the writer.. nope
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It doesn’t need a verse. If I tell you it is prohibited to marry your aunt, then doesn’t that automatically mean that your aunt can’t marry you. These are two different logical scenarios
then if you use your logic perfectly for 423 why not use the same logic perfectly to 55...
So God has permitted the foods of people of the book ONLY FOR MEN? -
Okay let me put in this way... So you agreed saying it doesnt need separate verse for 423 ... you gave example aunt..
now carefully read the verse 423 it say not allowed to marry two sisters at a time.. so does that mean for women not allowed to marry two brothers (biological) at a time but if married already no harm... or else does it say two biological brothers not allowed but two men okay.. how do you perceive? do you get me.. take your time -
After reading some verses, my opinion is incorrect. Ahl ul kitab are mentioned in the quran as doing shirk. However it is only permissible to marry a christian woman, it is not permissible to marry a christian man. I base this on the fact that god prohibited us from marrying kufar, christians are mentioned as “kafaru” but he only made an exception for men to marry ahl ul kitab.
Peace
If you read the Arabic of this verse it says 'mushrikeen' not 'kufar' who are forbidden to be married...
'Do not marry polytheistic women until they believe; for a believing slave-woman is better than a free polytheist, even though she may look pleasant to you. And do not marry your women to polytheistic men until they believe, for a believing slave-man is better than a free polytheist, even though he may look pleasant to you. They invite ˹you˺ to the Fire while Allah invites ˹you˺ to Paradise and forgiveness by His grace.1 He makes His revelations clear to the people so perhaps they will be mindful.' 2221
Isn't there a difference between kufar and mushrikeen? Mushrikeen are idol worshippers as I understand and I think there's a distinction between Christians and mushrikeen in the Qur'an (if I remember correctly)...
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then if you use your logic perfectly for 423 why not use the same logic perfectly to 55...
So God has permitted the foods of people of the book ONLY FOR MEN?It is because they are two different scenarios. It says chaste woman, thats why that part only applies to men. In 2221 and 6010, where the prohibitions are made against kuffar and mushrikeen, it mentions both men and woman. If an exemption was going to be made to marry men from ahl ul kitab then it would’ve been stated. Im not the one that is assuming, it would be an assumption to think that because god made an exemption for woman of ahl ul kitab, then there is an exemption for their men too. If there was an exemption for their men, then it would’ve been stated. There is no exemption for their men, therefore haram