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Allah is God ?

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    nimnimak_11
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    The only fact is that Nothing is the part or a segment of Him the Exalted

    Can you explain a bit more please. From my understanding, God is in everything, and is everything. If God is in everything, then everything is a part of it.
    How do you understand God to encompass all things?

    Peace

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      muslims
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      I am referring only to your statement

      Can we understand Allah if we cannot even understand the Qur'an?

      You are prioritizing Qur'aan upon Allah the Exalted. You fear Allah and the accountability on the Day of Resurrection and you will start understanding Qur'aan because it is His Word. Words loose value unless you recognize, rever and fear Him whose words one is reading. First recognize and rever Allah the Exalted and His Messenger who relayed Qur'aan. Merely understanding the meanings of Qur'aan is waste of energy and time unless one acts upon it in reverence and fear of the Sustainer Lord.

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      Salam

      I'm not prioritizing Qur'an upon Allah, but I'm proving how ridiculous for someone to claim they know or recognize Allah when he can't even understand the true message of the Qur'an. It is their wishful thinking and an assertion made without any basis or logical explanation. These are also the types of claims that are normally made by those who are deviating from the true path; ie. direct connection with Allah, son of God etc. It's a lie and fake!

      comparison on the difficulty of "understanding the Qur'an" vs. "understanding of Allah".

      the discussions about knowing or recognizing Allah is totally irrelevant since many are still unable to avoid the "DO NOT" prohibitions in the Qur'an, including me; eg. 5101. Therefore, it is more of a wishful thinking to discuss or admit we are able to recognize Allah.

      Therefore, it is best for us to first learn becoming a "True Muslim" (not yet a believer) and understand the Qur'an before claiming extraordinary knowledge relating to Allah.

      How can someone becoming a Muslim without first obeying the "DO NOT" prohibitions in the Qur'an?

      How can someone becoming a Believer without first becoming a Muslim?

      How can someone becoming a True Believer without first becoming a Mukmeen (Believer)?

      How can someone becoming a Auliya without first becoming a True Believer?

      How can someone claim to know and recognize Allah without first becoming a Auliya?
      (refer here and here)

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      They follow not except assumption, and indeed, assumption avails not against the truth at all (5328)(278).

      Peace.

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        Zulf
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        ie. direct connection with Allah

        I'm uncertain whether I understand what you mean by this.
        Are you saying that "direct connection with Allah" is a lie and fake (by those who claim it)? Just wondering.

        Secondly,
        I do agree that people often seem to think they have things very much figured out regarding God, scriptures and life. It seems they have adopted a fixed belief, and then they hold this package of belief as THE truth. I say, how ludicrous!

        So, generally I say; anyone who doesn't realize that we virtually don't have a clue about God and life, have not gained much wisdom or insight at all. It's foolish to think we know what God is and how things really work. We don't know a sh*t. When we let go of this obsession to judge everything, no matter how mundane, harmless or innocent, then we start moving towards freedom and peace... and new door will open. All we can do is to strive for betterment and purification. To do this we MUST be very humble, and surrender all useless judgement about what happens in the stream of life around us. We must surrender the harmful habit of judgement. I say, only fools think that they HAVE in possession, right now, the final and unchanging truth. Only fools think of God and life in static and unchanging terms. Never changing your perspective on things means we are stuck up in whatever current illusion we are in. Unless we have perfect knowledge, we must expect our perspective to change as we increase in understanding and insight. No change in perspective, including religion, should be a warning bell. Ironically, religion is the area which is most infested with static and unchanging dogma.
        They they'll perhaps ask you whether you want God's laws to be changed all the time. Well, God's laws do not change, but let us not be so arrogant that we think we understand God's laws to such a perfect and excellent degree that there will never be any need for us to change our views, perspectives and beliefs.

        Such are my general thoughts.
        Peace and all the best!
        I like your posts alot!

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          muslims
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          I'm uncertain whether I understand what you mean by this.
          Are you saying that "direct connection with Allah" is a lie and fake (by those who claim it)? Just wondering.

          Salam

          These are in relation to where people claiming extraordinary knowledge direct from God so that they are able to ignore the message of the Qur'an. It is not in terms of ordinary situations where many peoples are guided by Allah. Thanks.

          Peace

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            Zulf
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            Salam

            These are in relation to where people claiming extraordinary knowledge direct from God so that they are able to ignore the message of the Qur'an. It is not in terms of ordinary situations where many peoples are guided by Allah. Thanks.

            Peace

            I see. Thanks for the clarification!
            I tend to agree. One revelation from Allah cannot contradict another revelation from Allah, as all revelations from Allah by definition are truth, or they are not from Allah. Truth is truth.
            Peace!

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              FreedomStands
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              Whether to claim Allah is "God" means to set in our mind and belief system that there is...

              God in Islam
              God(s) in Christianity
              God(s) in Hinduism
              God(s) in Buddhism
              God(s) in Sikhism
              God(s) in Zoroastrianism
              God(s) in Confucianism
              God(s) in Taoism
              God(s) in Paganism
              God(s) in ...
              God(s) in ...
              God(s) in ...

              and Allah is the only one true God among those gods
              which means, we make Allah equivalents to other gods worshiped by human beings

              Nor is there to Him any equivalent <- including the concept of "God", it is not equivalent
              (1124)

              La Illah Ila Allah
              There is no god but Allah
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              (333-4)
              (4523)
              (2543)

              god?

              Anything that is defined properly is then matching the definition of God.

              If someone describes Shiva in the correct fashion, as many of the epithets and scriptures do at times, then they are speaking about the same thing as something else with the same definition. An apple is an apple even if it is called pomme in French, it is about the definition involved.

              I worship Shiva, Odin, Tezcatlipoca, Wakan Tanka, Vishnu, Vac, Logos, Brahman, Dharmakaya, Lucifer, Satan, and whatever other term can be carefully defined correctly and applied to the same concept.

              So where some people love to say "We just worship one God less than you" in fact we are a full and foremost member and proponent of most religions, from the Ancient Egyptian worship of Amun and Amun-Ra, to the monotheism of the Chinese with Shangdi.

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                noble
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                Anything that is defined properly is then matching the definition of God.

                If someone describes Shiva in the correct fashion, as many of the epithets and scriptures do at times, then they are speaking about the same thing as something else with the same definition. An apple is an apple even if it is called pomme in French, it is about the definition involved.

                I worship Shiva, Odin, Tezcatlipoca, Wakan Tanka, Vishnu, Vac, Logos, Brahman, Dharmakaya, Lucifer, Satan, and whatever other term can be carefully defined correctly and applied to the same concept.

                So where some people love to say "We just worship one God less than you" in fact we are a full and foremost member and proponent of most religions, from the Ancient Egyptian worship of Amun and Amun-Ra, to the monotheism of the Chinese with Shangdi.

                Allah in Quran says that to Him belongs the better names, al asma'a al husna, so e.g. Satan cannot be one of them, as it is associated with evildoing.

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                  FreedomStands
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                  Allah in Quran says that to Him belongs the better names, al asma'a al husna, so e.g. Satan cannot be one of them, as it is associated with evildoing.

                  That is a good point, but "Enemy", as in any of the other names of God, is just a matter of truth. To some people, God is their enemy and adversary, and is the controller of all the enemies and adversaries, so is the ultimate enemy or adversary in all cases.

                  The term Allah is associated with evil too, by many people, yet it is continuing to be used. To others names like Shiva and Vishnu are considered evil by others, yet Shiva means Auspicious and God is the only Auspicious one, and Vishnu means Pervading, and only God is the pervading.

                  Likewise, God is the killer. Multiple times the Qur'an says "deals death" so Death Dealer. One can make of any number of names, it is good if they are true, but they can also be designations like the letter A can be designated with a certain definition applied to it. In the case of Greek, the letters Alpha and Omega were given and had a particular meaning in those languages too that applied to God.

                  Lucifer is generally applied to evil, particularly by the Christians, yet it means "light bearer" and God is the truest and only true Light Bearer in both the literal and figurative sense, whereas the term Lucifer in the Vulgate Latin Bible was also used of Jesus, though is most true in the sense of God who is the Ultimate.

                  Calling God "Limited" is false, calling God "Formed" is false, things like that, though even those can be defined carefully and the definitions be made more true.

                  The "praises" of God are all just factual statements about the true nature of the Ultimate. It is just a matter of speaking the truth.

                  Satan is a prime enemy to humankind but there can be no greater enemy to anyone than God and God controls all the enemies.

                  My purpose for associating these words, however controversial it may seem, is actually to reduce the dichotomy and dualism people create in their imaginations and empower people, so that no matter where you turn or whatever you might be attracted to God is behind all the themes and is always the Ultimate.

                  There is no other power, no power of evil besides God, there is nothing at all to fear but God who is the most frightening, the most fearful of all who also controls all fear and all the frightening experiences we can possibly have and can create all sorts. Lord of the Monsters, King of the Torments, the Terrible, the Insidious, Terror of the Wise and Thoughtful. These to me are beautiful names and represent the truth also. With me, there is no dichotomy, and you can read more about this and Satan in the "Shaytan and Anger" thread where I've posted something rather long.

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                    Man_of_Faith
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                    The Sustainer created satan (the instinctive drive).

                    Be well

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                      Aladin_Azra
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                      Is it true that Allah is God ?

                      Facts
                      لا إله إلا الله

                      La Illah Ila Allah
                      There is no god but Allah

                      Sura 112 The "definition provision for Allah" in the Qur'an
                      قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ
                      اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ
                      لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ
                      وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ

                      Say, "He is Allah, One
                      Allah, the Eternal Refuge
                      He neither begets nor is born
                      Nor is there to Him any equivalent"
                      (112)

                      Logical Argument

                      Premise 1 There are many (equivalent concept of) gods worshiped by human beings.
                      Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s).

                      Argument Therefore, Allah is . . . ?
                      (a) God; or
                      (b) not God

                      Sura 112 isn't saying that Allah is One, but He is Allah, One, so He is One.

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