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    salman378
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    Peace Salman.
    Thank you.
    Let me give you some details of my journey since 2010 to clarify for you where I am and the tasks I am doing now .
    I am still in my study period of Qoran. I am at the moment in a project with few others comparing and analysing our understanding which started few years after my own study of Qoran.
    I basically started on my own before that and wrestled with GOD and His words for more than six years . I felt Qoran was challenging me to bring all the knowledge I have plus any other knowledge available out there to check it out.
    Then I realised through this period that GOD and Qoran go together. I cannot understand one without the other.

    I had to start again ,this time looking at the Arabic origin and roots and try to get closer to the meaning of these.

    Now I am working on a project with some friends that live in Europe, North Africa, and America. We are meeting every now and then in various places and comparing our understanding from the start to the end of Qoran. Still on study mode . All of us are only carrying on our study together . This project may take some time. We have no idea how long since we need to go over our work until we finish or when GOD wills.

    I am not ready to translate for others what I still lack knowledge about.

    I feel I cannot do justice to any other task and must stay with this one along with my other life duties for now. I hope to move on to other projects if this one finishes .
    So I apologise if I refuse other tasks for now .
    Also for me, Qoran is an open book to all the generations. It has many understandings that are not contradictory along with some consistent and clear verses.
    Every individual needs to take the task of studying by themselves first ,then GOD guides the process with His message along the time and place of each generation.
    Qoran talks in general to all of us individually ,in communities and worldwide. GOD teaches and explains to seekers anywhere . Although it is an Arabic book, any sincere seeker will get GOD guidance if they seek it and connect to the creator.

    How long the process takes is up to GOD Alone according to HIS knowledge alone.

    However I support and encourage every good work going on in our world to help humanity with a healthy and peaceful existence and to keep our connections with each other healthy and amicable and strengthen our connection with our Creator.
    May the Lord bless you and help you.
    Peace.
    i.e I need to keep trust in GOD and trust GOD. I need to learn more at the moment, GOD willing..

    OK, you're welcome to help if you want in future.

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      Noon_waalqalami
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      With due respect. You're wrong Sir. Science doesn't work based on your understanding of it.

      peace!

      which part is wrong, quote me? provide timeline what was created when?

      754 103 117 574
      خلق creation السموت the skies والارض and the land فى in سته six اىام days (eras)

      72559 324 5038 خلقنا creation السموت the skies والارض and the land
      وما and what بىنهما between them dual فى in سته six اىام days

      419 خلق creation الارض the land فى in ىومىن days two
      4110 اقوتها sustenance its فى in اربعه group of four اىام days
      4112 فقضهن so accomplish them سبع seven سموت skies فى in ىومىن days two

      Question was the universe in existence 1, 2, 3, …, 13 billion years ago?
      Dr. Lincoln Fermilab (miss visiting recommend bison nearby restaurant)

      https//miro.medium.com/max/640/1*XQgr4SBto0-xRu1D9ZaVQA.jpeg
      What really happened at the Big Bang?
      https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZdvSJyHvUU

      Question what does its "age" have to do with how long it took to create?

      e.g., builder made the houses and the garage فى fi/in 6 days 14 years ago
      i.e., فى fi/in/within <= less than/equal (the work began sometime in 200

      moreover, builder made the garage within 2 days
      also, builder supplied the garage within 4 days
      so he completed them seven houses within 2 days

      Question how many days did the builder take to build houses and garage?

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        salman378
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        peace!

        which part is wrong, quote me? provide timeline what was created when?

        754 103 117 574
        خلق creation السموت the skies والارض and the land فى in سته six اىام days (eras)

        72559 324 5038 خلقنا creation السموت the skies والارض and the land
        وما and what بىنهما between them dual فى in سته six اىام days

        419 خلق creation الارض the land فى in ىومىن days two
        4110 اقوتها sustenance its فى in اربعه group of four اىام days
        4112 فقضهن so accomplish them سبع seven سموت skies فى in ىومىن days two

        Question was the universe in existence 1, 2, 3, …, 13 billion years ago?
        Dr. Lincoln Fermilab (miss visiting recommend bison nearby restaurant)

        https//miro.medium.com/max/640/1*XQgr4SBto0-xRu1D9ZaVQA.jpeg
        What really happened at the Big Bang?
        https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZdvSJyHvUU

        Question what does its "age" have to do with how long it took to create?

        e.g., builder made the houses and the garage فى fi/in 6 days 14 years ago
        i.e., فى fi/in/within <= less than/equal (the work began sometime in 200

        moreover, builder made the garage within 2 days
        also, builder supplied the garage within 4 days
        so he completed them seven houses within 2 days

        Question how many days did the builder take to build houses and garage?

        Okay here's the timeline (Note 'Ayam' = 'Days, Periods, Time Periods&#039

        Age of Universe 13.8 billion years = 6 periods
        Age of Earth 4.54 billion years = 2 periods
        Age of Sun 4.603 billion years = 2 periods
        Age of Moon 4.53 billion years = 2 periods
        Age of Mercury 4.503 billion years = 2 periods
        Age of Venus 4.503 billion years = 2 periods
        Age of Mars 4.603 billion years = 2 periods
        Age of Jupiter 4.603 billion years = 2 periods
        Age of Saturn 4.503 billion years = 2 periods
        (Google the above if you're in doubt)

        Time for Earth's blessings = 9 billion years = 4.5 x 2 (2 periods till it's creation + 2 periods till Sun dies)
        When will Sun die = 5 billion years (4.5 billion years Sun will become red giant and all life on Earth will perish)

        Read these 5038, 419 to 4112 and 6512 again

        ... Created Heaven and Earth and whatever is in them in 6 periods... (503
        ...He who created the earth in two days... (419)
        ... sustenance in four days... (4110)
        ... when it was all like smoke (4111) (Solar Nebula was like cloud that formed Sun, Moon, Earth and other planets)
        ... completed them as seven heavens within two days (4112) (All bodies of our Solar System were formed in 2 periods, just like Earth)
        ... Who created seven heavens, and their like of earth (6512) (Earth is a Planet as well like other Planets)

        My video shows these events in great detail https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuq23pklsx4

        Age of these bodies of Solar System is proof that they match with Quran's time periods because we already calculated that Universe to Earth ratio of 2/6 is same ratio as said by Quran which 4.54 / 13.8 = 2 / 6 and after that we know science age of these bodies in Quran match with Science.

        What you have to offer? I am offering marriage of Science and Religion. What does it serve? Well, it serves to show and proof's Quran's validity, to make us more believing people, more scientific and reply to anti-Muslims. That's like killing 3 birds with a single stone. What are you doing? Refuting me. Shouldn't you be a voice of reason and hope for Muslims to adopt Science and Religion. Is our religion a superstitious religion like Hinduism and Christianity where we believe things without reason? I don't think the later view is good for either Muslims or for Science.

        You are fighting with me because you have for many years believed that these seven heavens are something so far beyond that we can't see them. But what you're forgetting is that God has used the word 'Samawaat' for those beyond objects like stars and galaxies or bodies farther. But when it says 'Saba Samawaat' it is referring to Celestial Bodies of Classical Antiquity.

        What was the reason for God to speak about 2 periods or 4 periods or 6 periods about something if they are useless for us to know or can never be known. What you're forgetting is that Science, no matter how little it has advanced, has started to give evidences of the divine nature of Quran. When Quran was revealed 1400 years ago, which is negligible to billions of years, at the revelation of Quran, these time periods match with the account of Science.

        Peace.

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          Noon_waalqalami
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          Okay here's the timeline (Note 'Ayam' = 'Days, Periods, Time Periods&#039

          Age of Universe 13.8 billion years = 6 periods
          Age of Earth 4.54 billion years = 2 periods
          Age of Sun 4.603 billion years = 2 periods
          Age of Moon 4.53 billion years = 2 periods
          Age of Mercury 4.503 billion years = 2 periods
          Age of Venus 4.503 billion years = 2 periods
          Age of Mars 4.603 billion years = 2 periods
          Age of Jupiter 4.603 billion years = 2 periods
          Age of Saturn 4.503 billion years = 2 periods
          (Google the above if you're in doubt)

          Time for Earth's blessings = 9 billion years = 4.5 x 2 (2 periods till it's creation + 2 periods till Sun dies)
          When will Sun die = 5 billion years (4.5 billion years Sun will become red giant and all life on Earth will perish)

          Read these 5038, 419 to 4112 and 6512 again

          ... Created Heaven and Earth and whatever is in them in 6 periods... (503
          ...He who created the earth in two days... (419)
          ... sustenance in four days... (4110)
          ... when it was all like smoke (4111) (Solar Nebula was like cloud that formed Sun, Moon, Earth and other planets)
          ... completed them as seven heavens within two days (4112) (All bodies of our Solar System were formed in 2 periods, just like Earth)
          ... Who created seven heavens, and their like of earth (6512) (Earth is a Planet as well like other Planets)

          My video shows these events in great detail https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuq23pklsx4

          Age of these bodies of Solar System is proof that they match with Quran's time periods because we already calculated that Universe to Earth ratio of 2/6 is same ratio as said by Quran which 4.54 / 13.8 = 2 / 6 and after that we know science age of these bodies in Quran match with Science.

          What you have to offer? I am offering marriage of Science and Religion. What does it serve?

          Peace, again age has nothing to do with creation time.

          It’s very simple concept since the universe was there 3 billion years ago
          Likewise, the earth was there 3 billion years ago and planets, stars, etc

          What’s so hard to understand that if you’re 42 years old and have a 14 year old car doesn’t mean it took 42 years to create you or 14 years to create your car?

          Likewise, you use feminine words like sky/skies to reference masculine terms like moon and planets

          You really should take down that video the missionaries will take you apart

          Peace and all the best

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            Peace, again age has nothing to do with creation time.

            It’s very simple concept since the universe was there 3 billion years ago
            Likewise, the earth was there 3 billion years ago and planets, stars, etc

            What’s so hard to understand that if you’re 42 years old and have a 14 year old car doesn’t mean it took 42 years to create you or 14 years to create your car?

            Likewise, you use feminine words like sky/skies to reference masculine terms like moon and planets

            You really should take down that video the missionaries will take you apart

            Peace and all the best

            Let me respectfully say to you. The Age of something implies the time it took to create it. Let me give you an example and analogy, which you use a lot to explain this.

            Let's say you created a painting. It took you 5 days to make it. Once you finished making it in 5 days, you say to your son, 'I made this painting in 5 days'. Your son was 10 years old when you told him this. When you son become 15 years old, he told his sister that father made this painting in 5 days. He wouldn't say our father made this painting in 5 years and 5 days.

            Got it?

            You're confused! If God said 1400 years ago, I created Earth in 2 periods, He's speaking of how much time it took to ceate Earth at the time of revelation. Now if after a billion years humans think of God's 2 periods for Earth creation, they wouldn't say that God created the Earth in 2 periods +1 billion years, they would say that a billion years ago, God created the Earth in 2 periods.

            What I don't understand is that if you know that Quran 419 says clearly that Earth is created in 2 periods and the seven heavens is created in 2 periods as well. Do you think God would create a tiny little speck like Earth in 2 periods and would take the same time of 2 periods to create seven multiverses or seven layers of Universe which are far more bigger than Earth? Does your view rationalize at all? Don't reply, just ask yourself these questions.

            Your analogies are all wrong. If I am 42 years old and I create a car in 14 years, that is not to say that my age and car's age have anything in common. Where is Quran saying that God's age is Nauzubillah 12 periods and then the Universe's age is 6 periods? Why are you not understanding things? Or all this is beyond your mental capacity. Sorry for being rude but you left me no option; you're not making any sense.

            Okay let's assume I am all wrong. Which is what you love to prove. Right? Now give me the explanation of what is the meaning of 2 periods, 4 priods or 6 periods in Quran and if it doesn't mean anything useful for us, why would God give this knowledge to us? Does God gives us information that doesn't mean anything? What is knowledge except for truth? What purpose is knowledge if that doesn't guide or help you to know anything. You're putting God in a very unreasonable light.

            Bring all the skeptics and apologists you're so darn sure will refute me to debate with me if you're so sure. You can just say stuff without refuting yourself. Everyone has mouth, everyone can say stuff. You didn't prove me wrong or anything. All you're doing is extending this conversation without using any logical argument but given false analogies. Just because you don't want to accept something.

            In Islam we're told to accept our mistakes even when it is against our own selves. Farther from accepting mistakes, you're adamant to prove me wrong even when you can look clearly that I am backing everything up with Science as well as Quran's own verses.

            7115 talks about seven heavens then 716 talks about Sun and Moon. Why can't you answer this? Why is God referring to Sun and Moon in the following verse? Why? Why? Why? What significance do the Seven Heavens have with Sun and Moon. Especially the Moon. Is Moon a star? Or are Sun and Moon so above that they are in the second or seventh heaven? I mean why? Why God says 'He created amidst them Sun and Moon'. This is only logical to say that God is saying that seven celestial bodies of classical antiquity include Sun and Moon which I already proved to you exists in the antiquity.

            1400 years ago, people used to say that seven wanders (that's what Greeks called them) are Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. They are the only Solar System bodies that can be seen by naked eyes, even today. Only planets that we can't see by naked eyes are Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. For them you need telescope. When God spoke to Bedouins of 1400, he was referring to them according to what they already knew about these bodies. Furthermore, in history, there are many tafseers and exegesis that explain these seven heavens to be seven bodies of solar system that I talk about. Are they also wrong and only you are correct?

            What use is for me to continue to talk to you? Tell me? You're not refuting me. All you're doing is trying to yank the chains of previous intrepreters who didn't know about Science as much as we know in this time period. What I would say is that you continue to believe what you believe and let me believe what I want to believe. Bye!

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              Noon_waalqalami
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              Let me respectfully say to you. The Age of something implies the time it took to create it. Let me give you an example and analogy, which you use a lot to explain this.

              Let's say you created a painting. It took you 5 days to make it. Once you finished making it in 5 days, you say to your son, 'I made this painting in 5 days'. Your son was 10 years old when you told him this. When you son become 15 years old, he told his sister that father made this painting in 5 days. He wouldn't say our father made this painting in 5 years and 5 days.

              Got it?

              You're confused! If God said 1400 years ago, I created Earth in 2 periods, He's speaking of how much time it took to ceate Earth at the time of revelation. Now if after a billion years humans think of God's 2 periods for Earth creation, they wouldn't say that God created the Earth in 2 periods +1 billion years, they would say that a billion years ago, God created the Earth in 2 periods.

              What I don't understand is that if you know that Quran 419 says clearly that Earth is created in 2 periods and the seven heavens is created in 2 periods as well. Do you think God would create a tiny little speck like Earth in 2 periods and would take the same time of 2 periods to create seven multiverses or seven layers of Universe which are far more bigger than Earth? Does your view rationalize at all? Don't reply, just ask yourself these questions.

              Your analogies are all wrong. If I am 42 years old and I create a car in 14 years, that is not to say that my age and car's age have anything in common. Where is Quran saying that God's age is Nauzubillah 12 periods and then the Universe's age is 6 periods? Why are you not understanding things? Or all this is beyond your mental capacity. Sorry for being rude but you left me no option; you're not making any sense.

              Okay let's assume I am all wrong. Which is what you love to prove. Right? Now give me the explanation of what is the meaning of 2 periods, 4 priods or 6 periods in Quran and if it doesn't mean anything useful for us, why would God give this knowledge to us? Does God gives us information that doesn't mean anything? What is knowledge except for truth? What purpose is knowledge if that doesn't guide or help you to know anything. You're putting God in a very unreasonable light.

              Bring all the skeptics and apologists you're so darn sure will refute me to debate with me if you're so sure. You can just say stuff without refuting yourself. Everyone has mouth, everyone can say stuff. You didn't prove me wrong or anything. All you're doing is extending this conversation without using any logical argument but given false analogies. Just because you don't want to accept something.

              In Islam we're told to accept our mistakes even when it is against our own selves. Farther from accepting mistakes, you're adamant to prove me wrong even when you can look clearly that I am backing everything up with Science as well as Quran's own verses.

              7115 talks about seven heavens then 716 talks about Sun and Moon. Why can't you answer this? Why is God referring to Sun and Moon in the following verse? Why? Why? Why? What significance do the Seven Heavens have with Sun and Moon. Especially the Moon. Is Moon a star? Or are Sun and Moon so above that they are in the second or seventh heaven? I mean why? Why God says 'He created amidst them Sun and Moon'. This is only logical to say that God is saying that seven celestial bodies of classical antiquity include Sun and Moon which I already proved to you exists in the antiquity.

              1400 years ago, people used to say that seven wanders (that's what Greeks called them) are Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. They are the only Solar System bodies that can be seen by naked eyes, even today. Only planets that we can't see by naked eyes are Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. For them you need telescope. When God spoke to Bedouins of 1400, he was referring to them according to what they already knew about these bodies. Furthermore, in history, there are many tafseers and exegesis that explain these seven heavens to be seven bodies of solar system that I talk about. Are they also wrong and only you are correct?

              What use is for me to continue to talk to you? Tell me? You're not refuting me. All you're doing is trying to yank the chains of previous intrepreters who didn't know about Science as much as we know in this time period. What I would say is that you continue to believe what you believe and let me believe what I want to believe. Bye!

              Poor kid really bad examples. Again this is very basic “logic” and you want to translate Qur’an. We know the earth was present ie already “created” 2 billion years ago some say covered in ice pole to pole and did not take 4.6 billion years to “create it” likewise suggest you learn basic gender of words eg feminine sky/skies which cannot refer to masculine planets or the moon etc.

              Open separate thread/topic one word at a time I’ll try to answer.

              Peace and bye!

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                Let me respectfully say to you. The Age of something implies the time it took to create it. Let me give you an example and analogy, which you use a lot to explain this.

                Let's say you created a painting. It took you 5 days to make it. Once you finished making it in 5 days, you say to your son, 'I made this painting in 5 days'. Your son was 10 years old when you told him this. When you son become 15 years old, he told his sister that father made this painting in 5 days. He wouldn't say our father made this painting in 5 years and 5 days.

                Got it?

                You're confused! If God said 1400 years ago, I created Earth in 2 periods, He's speaking of how much time it took to ceate Earth at the time of revelation. Now if after a billion years humans think of God's 2 periods for Earth creation, they wouldn't say that God created the Earth in 2 periods +1 billion years, they would say that a billion years ago, God created the Earth in 2 periods.

                What I don't understand is that if you know that Quran 419 says clearly that Earth is created in 2 periods and the seven heavens is created in 2 periods as well. Do you think God would create a tiny little speck like Earth in 2 periods and would take the same time of 2 periods to create seven multiverses or seven layers of Universe which are far more bigger than Earth? Does your view rationalize at all? Don't reply, just ask yourself these questions.

                Your analogies are all wrong. If I am 42 years old and I create a car in 14 years, that is not to say that my age and car's age have anything in common. Where is Quran saying that God's age is Nauzubillah 12 periods and then the Universe's age is 6 periods? Why are you not understanding things? Or all this is beyond your mental capacity. Sorry for being rude but you left me no option; you're not making any sense.

                Okay let's assume I am all wrong. Which is what you love to prove. Right? Now give me the explanation of what is the meaning of 2 periods, 4 priods or 6 periods in Quran and if it doesn't mean anything useful for us, why would God give this knowledge to us? Does God gives us information that doesn't mean anything? What is knowledge except for truth? What purpose is knowledge if that doesn't guide or help you to know anything. You're putting God in a very unreasonable light.

                Bring all the skeptics and apologists you're so darn sure will refute me to debate with me if you're so sure. You can just say stuff without refuting yourself. Everyone has mouth, everyone can say stuff. You didn't prove me wrong or anything. All you're doing is extending this conversation without using any logical argument but given false analogies. Just because you don't want to accept something.

                In Islam we're told to accept our mistakes even when it is against our own selves. Farther from accepting mistakes, you're adamant to prove me wrong even when you can look clearly that I am backing everything up with Science as well as Quran's own verses.

                7115 talks about seven heavens then 716 talks about Sun and Moon. Why can't you answer this? Why is God referring to Sun and Moon in the following verse? Why? Why? Why? What significance do the Seven Heavens have with Sun and Moon. Especially the Moon. Is Moon a star? Or are Sun and Moon so above that they are in the second or seventh heaven? I mean why? Why God says 'He created amidst them Sun and Moon'. This is only logical to say that God is saying that seven celestial bodies of classical antiquity include Sun and Moon which I already proved to you exists in the antiquity.

                1400 years ago, people used to say that seven wanders (that's what Greeks called them) are Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. They are the only Solar System bodies that can be seen by naked eyes, even today. Only planets that we can't see by naked eyes are Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. For them you need telescope. When God spoke to Bedouins of 1400, he was referring to them according to what they already knew about these bodies. Furthermore, in history, there are many tafseers and exegesis that explain these seven heavens to be seven bodies of solar system that I talk about. Are they also wrong and only you are correct?

                What use is for me to continue to talk to you? Tell me? You're not refuting me. All you're doing is trying to yank the chains of previous intrepreters who didn't know about Science as much as we know in this time period. What I would say is that you continue to believe what you believe and let me believe what I want to believe. Bye!

                Yes... Age or time matters a lot.. life span and determined span is utterly important in God's creation...

                let me address all who say that Yaum as Period... No way.. Yaum is never a period but DAY... Day of where we live in enclosed chamber and what reckon God may differ for sure.. But God has DAY/s in His own Kingdom... we have our Days... God created everything in SIX DAYs and not in SIX PERIODs... How many years exactly these 6 DAYs of God is upto God.. but He never neglected it either..
                Even before the creation of Earth and Samawathi He had DAYS and still He has and He will have... don't confuse His days with our recognition..
                From the Day He created the Earth and Heavens there is 12 months.. That's for us.. not for Him.. He has his own Kingdom for which He has given recognition with DAYs not periods..

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                  Lastly, these were on earth when the universe was ~10 billion years old.

                  The oldest known fossils, in fact, are cyanobacteria from Archaean rocks of western Australia, dated 3.5 billion years old. This may be somewhat surprising, since the oldest rocks are only a little older 3.8 billion years old! Cyanobacteria are among the easiest microfossils to recognize.

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                    The entire process of creation of the universe was accomplished in six days. Obviously the time reference cannot relate to the time reference of the object, the universe, which was itself undergoing the process of creation and its own time had yet to come into motion. How did the universe begin and the break-up of time consumed in structuring three entities of the universe is also mentioned

                    Man and the Universe

                    Why is the Universe the way it is?

                    How did the Universe begin

                    https//haqeeqat.pk/UniverseOrigin.htm

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                      I am a 42 years old Successful Software Entrepreneur, Alhamdulilah. I have been gifted with an analytical brain as well as a believing heart. However, I believe both knowledge and belief are like Yin/Yang. One dies off without the other. Not until we marry both Knowledge and Action, Humility and Confidence, Fear and Hope, Truth and Love, Religion and Science, Ritual and Spiritual, Happiness and Patience, Belief and Inquiry - we can't become both holy and whole at the same time.

                      I think, most of the the problems of Muslims stem from outdated translations, exegesises and interpretations. Think about it, the first translation of Quran in English by a Muslim was done in 1910. After that we see some translations of Quran which carry a similar theme and without much creative dismantling of the message of God. Translations or Exegesises of Quran are currently more like words of popular people, which you either accept or reject. When was Truth about popular opinion of People or labels? Shouldn’t truth be a free inquiry? Should we fear God alone or the popular view among Muslims?

                      What I don’t like about the state of affairs of Muslims is our reliance on Schools of Thoughts than our own Self-Knowledge and original Sources of Islam. Especially now, when a lot of Science we’ve discovered and a lot of knowledge we have gained, the text in Quran translations remain the same, ambiguous, unfulfilling or unapproachable for the most part.

                      But nothing is lost! I am trying to bring together people who can work with me on this great cause and do it with me. My idea is to create a wiki/open-source one translation and exegesis of Quran that is open with debate format for skeptics, believers, philosophers, theologians, epistemologists, psychologists, economists, legalists, and scientists. Everyone has a say, the only thing is he/she has to prove why his/her translation is more accurate/updated/legit/simple/clear/scientific/true. And this way, the work on Quran is also never closed but remains open for all and is continuous.

                      Shouldn’t this be the case from the day one? I mean, Quran is not like a Harry Potter novel, which if once translated by someone, should become stale, unchallenged and uncreative with repetitive thoughts and hopeless attitudes. Quran is not a work of fiction. It is a book of Wisdom, Guidance, Lessons, Science, Miracles, Realizations and so many meaningful things. A single human is beyond the capacity to translate it accurately. We all have to put our efforts now that we're in 2022.

                      So if you're with me on this cause, lets join hands together and form a body that helps us in our mission. This might be the biggest service to Islam you can undergo instead of siding with Sectarian forces in Religion which are dividing it. In the same Token, I would like to broadcast my message to free-minds.org, if they want, we can begin this noble cause on their own platform. I am a Software Business Entrepreneur and Alhamdulillah successful as well. Maybe you use one of my products as well. More about me later when we get to a certain direction together. So I have skillsets to bring this vision to reality due to my entrepreneur skills in Full Stack Software Development.

                      So instead of distributing one PDF through free-minds.org, we will now have a complete debatable platform for Quran's One Translation, that can be challenged 'verse by verse', 'word by word' and the most convincing of the arguments will win, instead of the so-called 'popular opinion among Muslims'. Blind following blind both end up in a ditch. If Muslims were so advanced with what we have now, we wouldn't be having sites like free-minds.org There is definitely a problem here and I believe the intellectuals on this website as well as superb people behind free-minds.org can really help.

                      To clarify my points of view in a more succinct manner about how this is a serious issue in Muslims, I made a video on Quran’s Science, particularly on the topics of Cosmology and Evolution that you can view here https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuq23pklsx4

                      In it I prove without doubt, how Seven Heavens in Quran are actually Seven bodies of Classical Antiquity, 'The Sun', 'The Moon', 'Mercury', 'Venus', 'Mars', 'Jupiter' and 'Saturn' which are visible through naked eyes. All seven bodies visible through naked eyes are the above. If you search Google for 'Seven Bodies of Classical Antiquity' you'll know what I am referring to. How the word 'lowest' for 'ad-dunia' is mistranslated where it should mean 'worldly' instead of 'lowest'. How the words 'Ardhi Mislahunna' have been mistranslated to mean Seven Earths even when the word 'Ardhi' is singular. It actually means 'Earth is just like Planets'. How 6 periods for Universe creation and 2 periods for Earth creation are accurate to the ratio of 4.54 billion years (Earth's age) / 13.8 billion years (Universe's age) matching perfectly with Quranic ratio of 2/6.

                      How the 4 periods for the age of 'Plate Tectonics', loosely translated as Mountain is 9 billion years. How the other bodies of Solar System are 2 periods as well, meaning 4.5 to 4.6 billion years. How the Cosmological accounts of Muslims in the past is wrong to mean Big Bang and how it is actually Solar System Creation story. How Evolution is true, even the Adamic Evolution and how it doesn't disrupt the general understanding of God creating Adam's Soul in Heaven. I am currently making part 2 of the Video and am exited to share it as well once it is done.

                      I tried to be as intellectually honest and unbiased as possible in the video. Please view the Video and tell me how you find it. I left no stones unturned. But even with all my efforts, I am just a feeble human being. I want to join hands with people who are well versed with Arabic. Since I have a Science background and an analytical brain, I think a marriage of these two would indeed help a lot in my cause which is mentioned above.

                      The foundation of argument is incorrect.

                      أَ لَمْ تَرَوْا۟ كَيْفَ خَلَقَ ٱللَّهُ سَبْعَ سَـمَٟوَٟتٛ طِبَاقٙا .١٥

                      Have you people not given a thought how Allah the Exalted has created seven skies? They are created in the manner of vertically layered one above another in harmony/adjoining one above another.

                      A rhetorical question is a question used for dramatic effect, getting the point across, and is not intended to be answered by the audience the question was directed.

                      Celestial bodies are specifically mentioned in Qur'an.

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