Will Jesus return?
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Will Jesus return?
Not in my view. In addition to your post above.
Background
Please see the following article
http//www.mostmerciful.com/substitution.htmTHEN also see
http//www.free-minds.org/jesus-dead-or-aliveTaking the above into account, in terms of what is most likely, it seems that it appeared to them that Jesus had died on the cross, but likely became unconcious/fainted. He then probably lived a period after before dying.
Not only does the above fit with The Quran, but also explains The Biblical/Christian interpretation of him being raised alive, and its associated myths.
I strongly recommend reading the above links and all should be clear.
Side note Every human being will die and be raised to life again. Please see the use of the word "raise up" (obAAathu), it is commonly used to mean as such. It does not refer to a magical/special resurrection.
e.g. "...if thou wert to say to them, "Ye shall indeed be raised up after death"..." -
Salaam Wakas
So this mean you has alternative meaning of Al Masih in the Quran
Peace
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w/salaam,
Salaam Wakas
So this mean you has alternative meaning of Al Masih in the Quran
I dont think so. Here is Asad's note
Muhammad Asad - End Note 32 (345)
Lit., "whose name shall be `the Anointed' (al-masih)". The designation al-masih is the Arabicized form of the Aramaic meshiha which, in turn, is derived from the Hebrew mahsiah, "the anointed" - a term frequently applied in the Bible to the Hebrew kings, whose accession to power used to be consecrated by a touch with holy oil taken from the Temple . This anointment appears to have been so important a rite among the Hebrews that the term "the anointed" became in the course of time more or less synonymous with "king". Its application to Jesus may have been due to the widespread conviction among his contemporaries (references to which are found in several places in the Synoptic Gospels) that he was descended in direct - and obviously legitimate - line from the royal House of David. (It is to be noted that this could not have related to his mother's side, because Mary belonged to the priestly class descending from Aaron, and thus to the tribe of Levi, while David descended from the tribe of Judah .) Whatever may have been the historical circumstances, it is evident that the honorific "the Anointed" was applied to Jesus in his own lifetime. In the Greek version of the Gospels - which is undoubtedly based on a now-lost Aramaic original - this designation is correctly translated as Christos (a noun derived from the Greek verb chriein, "to anoint" and since it is in this form - "the Christ" - that the designation al-masih has achieved currency in all Western languages, I am using it throughout in my translation.Perhaps you can clarify how the meaning of "al masih" would be contrary to my previous post.
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Peace Earthdom.
I believe Jesus will not come back.His predetermined period in this life is finished. No one comes back to have another go a this life.Full stop.
Here is another theory by Lisa spray?to add to your collection
The account of Jesus' death in the Quran is startling. It states "they never killed Jesus; they never crucified him; they were only made to think that they did." They claimed that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God. In fact, they never killed him; they never crucified him; they were only made to think that they did. Indeed, those who speculate about him are full of doubt about their own accounts; they are never sure. They only conjecture. What is absolutely certain is they never killed him. Instead, God raised him to Him. God is Almighty, Most Wise.
Undoubtedly, this Quranic narration represents a new and profound account of the death of Jesus. It is bound to shock most people, so some explanation is in order.
The Quran consistently talks about the
real person,' i.e., the soul, when talking about anyone. The Quran differentiates between two human entities a temporary entity, the body, and an eternal entity which isthe person.' The temporary entity is considered a shell or a garment worn by the lasting entity. The Quran does not regard this temporary shell as `the person.' The importance of the body, or the person's outer shell, is in serving the real person by effecting sufficient growth and development of the soul in preparation for the real, eternal life (of the Hereafter). If we look upon one's body as a wild horse, one attains the required growth and development by taming and controlling the whims of this horse. At the end of one's predetermined interim in this life, one sheds the shell and moves on towards the eternal Hereafter; the body's role ends.Thus, when the Quran states that "they never crucified Jesus; they never killed him," the word "him" here refers to the real Jesus, not his body.
The body may be present somewhere, but the person may or may not be present with it. People who are familiar with `out-of-body experiences' know that the body is nothing more than a garment or a physical vehicle for the soul. In out-of-body experiences, the intellect remains with the person, not with the body. Those who practice out-of-body (or astral projection) experiments often describe the body as just laying there like an inanimate object.
The Quran explains clearly that Jesus, the real person, was `raised to God' prior to any torture or crucifixion. Those who believed that they were torturing or crucifying Jesus were in fact dealing with Jesus' body, an empty shell devoid of feelings and knowledge.
Being `raised to God' indicates another important fact-that the righteous go directly to heaven, and do not wait for the Day of Resurrection to attain Paradise
THE RIGHTEOUS DO NOT DIE;
When their lives on this earth come to the predetermined end, the angel of death simply invites them to leave their earthly bodies and move on to Heaven, the same Paradise where Adam and Eve once lived. Heaven has been in existence since Adam and Eve. We learn from 8927-30 that God invites the believers' souls "Enter My Paradise." The above quote is from an article written by Dr. Rashad Khalifa, the discoverer of the Quran's mathematical code (SUBMITTERS PERSPECTIVE, Masjid Tucson, Feb., 1990). He continues As far as people on earth are concerned, the righteous "die." People do not realize that the righteous simply leave their bodies, and move on to Paradise....The righteous go to Paradise, while their friends and relatives are still living on earth. Like going to Hawaii and waiting for us there. He cites several verses which are well worth examining Give good news to those who believe and work righteousness that they will have gardens with flowing streams. When provided with provisions of fruits therein, they will say, "This is what was given to us in the past." They will be given similar provisions, and they will have pure spouses therein. They abide therein
forever.
The indication in this verse is that the righteous are in a place similar to gardens of the Hereafter, with similar provisions. This would certainly be the case if they had been waiting in the Garden of Eden (also called Paradise), until the Day of Resurrection. Coupled with the following verses, that is the clear conclusion
Do not think that those who are killed in the cause of God are dead; they are alive at their Lord, being provided for.
Do not say about those who are killed in the cause of God, "They are dead." For they are alive, but you do not perceive.
(At the time of his death) he was told, "Enter Paradise." He said, "I wish my people (on earth) knew that my Lord has forgiven me and honored me."
In the case of Jesus, all these mathematically coded verses show that God raised the real person, Jesus' soul, leaving his body for the torturers and crucifiers. Thus, they never tortured Jesus. They never crucified him. He was gone long before any torture or crucifixion of his body
They plotted and schemed, but so did God; God is the best schemer. Thus, God said, "O Jesus, I am putting you to death; raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will make those who follow you high above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is the ultimate destiny of all of you. Then I will judge among you concerning your disputes."
It is astonishing to find this phenomenon, the separation of the real person from the still living body, indicated in the New Testament, and even more specifically stated in some apocryphal literature. There is an especially straightforward reference to this phenomenon reported by James Brashler in THE NAG HAMMADI LIBRARY (Harper & Row, 1977).
The Nag Hammadi Library is a collection of ancient documents unearthed at Nag Hammadi, Egypt. They are described as containing "the sacred scriptures of the Gnostic movement that emerged and rapidly grew in the cradle of civilization at the time of Jesus and early Christianity. Its codices are a priceless periscope into the tumultuous world of ideas brewing during one of civilization's great turning points."
James Brashler describes a vision seen by the apostle Peter, in his introduction to the Gnostic Apocalypse of Peter (Ibid., p. 339)
The first visionary scene, is depicting the hostile priests and people about to kill Jesus (72,4-9)....The second scene (81,3-14) describes Peter's vision of the crucifixion of Jesus. The accompanying interpretation by Jesus makes a distinction between the external physical form and the living Jesus; the latter stands nearby laughing at his ignorant persecutors. A clear distinction is thus made in this ancient literature, very close to the time of Jesus, between "the external physical form," i.e., the body of Jesus, and "the living Jesus." According to this narration, the real person of Jesus was unphased by the torturers and persecutors of his soulless body.
Looking at the translation of the Apocalypse of Peter itself (Ibid., p. 344), we find the startling vision of Peter
When he had said those things, I saw him seemingly being seized by them. And I said, "What do I see, O Lord, that it is you yourself whom they take, and that you are grasping me? Or who is this one, glad and laughing, on the tree? And is it another one whose feet and hands they are striking?" The Savior said to me, "He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is the fleshy part."
A careful examination of the Gospels of Mark and Luke reveals that Jesus was in fact gone prior to crucifixion. He did not respond to the surrounding chaos. This confirms the apocryphal account reported in the Nag Hammadi Library, and agrees with the mathematically authenticated account of the Quran
The chief priests, meanwhile, brought many accusations against Jesus. Pilate interrogated him again "Surely you have some answer? See how many accusations they are leveling against you." But greatly to Pilate's surprise, Jesus made no further response.
Herod was extremely pleased to see Jesus. From the reports about him he had wanted to see him, and he was hoping to see him work some miracle. He questioned Jesus at considerable length, but Jesus made no answer. The chief priests and scribes were at hand to accuse him vehemently. Herod and his guards then treated him with contempt and insult....
Putting all these accounts together, this possible picture emerges
- The human being consists of two main distinct entities
a. the body, which serves as a mere shell or garment, and
b. the soul, which is the real person.
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In accordance with a predetermined plan, the time came for Jesus to complete his mission as God's messenger to the Children of Israel and as the Messiah. This coincided with the scheme of Jesus' adversaries to crucify him. Just before executing their plot, God's plan was implemented, and Jesus the real person was summoned or "raised to God."
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Jesus' body was left for his persecutors to torture and crucify; they were dealing with an empty shell devoid of all feelings or understanding.
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Thus, the Quran's mathematically coded statements that "they never killed Jesus, they never crucified him; they were led to believe that they did," are accurate and proven facts.
MODERN DEMONSTRATION
Rashad Khalifa draws an interesting parallel between what he understands to be the case in Jesus' death, and that of a modern patient who underwent an historical surgical procedure. (See Khalifa's QURAN THE FINAL TESTAMENT, Ibid. Appendix 22, p. 667)
On November 25, 1984, William J. Schroeder, from Jasper, Indiana, received an artificial heart at Humana Heart Institute International of Louisville, Kentucky. The NEW YORK TIMES of Monday, November 26, 1984 published the following news item
SURGEONS IMPLANT MECHANICAL PUMP TO REPLACE HEARTLOUISVILLE, KY, Nov 25 -- A 17-member surgical team today removed the diseased heart of a 52-year old man and replaced it with a plastic and metal pump....Dr. Devries leaned over Mr. Schroeder and said, "Everything went well, perfectly." On Wednesday, December 12, 1984, the 18th day after receiving the artificial heart, Mr. Schroeder was so normal and so alert that when President Reagan talked with him he complained about a delay in sending his Social Security disability check. On the nineteenth day, December 13, 1984, the world was told that Mr. Schroeder "suffered a stroke." What really happened was that Mr. Schroeder, the real person, departed. William J. Schroeder died. His body, the empty shell, continued to function through artificial means. The artificial heart continued to pump, and all other life processes of Mr. Schroeder's body continued to work. Significantly, from that moment on, he never recognized the date, the day or time. The WASHINGTON POST of Friday, December 14, 1984 published the following news
LOUISVILLE, Dec. 13---William J. Schroeder, who became the world's second recipient of an artificial heart 18 days ago, tonight suffered a stroke in his hospital bed as he ate dinner with his wife, doctors reported.... (Dr. A. M.) Lansing replied, "unequivocally, no," when asked if the stroke could have been a result of Schroeder's many activities recently. These included a telephone conversation with President Reagan Wednesday and fast government action earlier today to deliver a Social Security disability check that he had told Reagan was overdue.
At Humana Hospital - Audubon, where the implant took place, Lansing said Schroeder was talking to his wife when "she noticed suddenly he stopped feeding himself and was just holding his food in his right hand." He appeared "drowsy, his eyes rolled back, and he became somewhat limp," Lansing said. The stroke was not "life threatening," Lansing said. Shortly afterward, Schroeder was somewhat "stuporous" and "not talking intelligently," Lansing said.
In retrospect, it is obvious that William J. Schroeder actually left his body on the nineteenth day (December 13, 1984) after receiving the artificial heart on November 25, 1984. Schroeder was raised to God about 600 days-19 months-before his body finally ceased to function.
According to the Quran, this is precisely what happened to Jesus he was raised to God before the crucifixion of his empty body
They claimed that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God. In fact, they never killed him; they never crucified him; they were led to believe that they did.... For sure, they never killed him. Instead, God raised him to Him. God is Almighty, Most Wise.
Draw your own conclusion!
Peace to you.
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Thank you Wakas and good_logic to bring the useful information.
Indeed the second coming of Jesus maybe just an ancient fairy tales.The term "anointed" is very common in Tanakh's cultures as the symbol of purity.
Lisa Spray also gave good theory bout Jesus'crucifixion, very make sense.
Peace
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I recently watched Mufti Abu Layth's review of this issue. He dismantles the Traditional Islamic argument, mainly from Traditional sources themselves
It's quite long but he drops some gems now and then, several videos cover this
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHzYu3BKBWE
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR3NSX3UFy8
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMSmkLdEgSoInterestingly he does seem to get responses from Traditionalists trying to rebut him. Clearly they feel it enough of a threat to respond.
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Will Jesus return?
A. Will the physical body of an individual known as Iashua around 2000 years ago suddenly appeared again on planet earth at around 30-40 years of age?
The answer is definitely No.B. Will the physical body of an individual known as Iashua around 2000 years ago suddenly appeared again on planet earth coming down from the sky at around 30-40 years of age?
The answer is definitely No.C. Will a soul once living in human body and known as Iashua around 2000 years ago, incarnating again in baby human body and known as other identities?
It's probable, yes, yet the soul's memory will be wiped out thus he/she/it might have difficulties of recollecting the memory he/she/it once has as Iashua and he/she/it will be known as other name today.D. Will a soul once living in human body and known as Iashua around 2000 years ago, communicate with human individuals currently living on planet earth? It's probable yes, you will recognize him by the type of his messages and if you're 'sensitive' enough, his 'soul signature'.
Interesting stuff
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A gentleman recalling his memory of living (as among others) a guy named Moshe in ancient egypt.
https//youtu.be/PToR6DjjdmU?t=2422 -
The Way of the Heart, the teachings from Jeshua ben Josef
https//youtu.be/hlBWULvcayw
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Quite interesting bro.
The only puzzling question I have is your probably answers.What I meant is that if the same exact soul can be divided into two different bodies separated thousands of years, then the question of accountability will be applied to which physical person? unless there is no physical concept in akhira.?
By the way it was my childhood wish that I can travel back and forth in time occupying different bodies and feel the experience -)
cheers
Will Jesus return?
A. Will the physical body of an individual known as Iashua around 2000 years ago suddenly appeared again on planet earth at around 30-40 years of age?
The answer is definitely No.B. Will the physical body of an individual known as Iashua around 2000 years ago suddenly appeared again on planet earth coming down from the sky at around 30-40 years of age?
The answer is definitely No.C. Will a soul once living in human body and known as Iashua around 2000 years ago, incarnating again in baby human body and known as other identities?
It's probable, yes, yet the soul's memory will be wiped out thus he/she/it might have difficulties of recollecting the memory he/she/it once has as Iashua and he/she/it will be known as other name today.D. Will a soul once living in human body and known as Iashua around 2000 years ago, communicate with human individuals currently living on planet earth? It's probable yes, you will recognize him by the type of his messages and if you're 'sensitive' enough, his 'soul signature'.
Interesting stuff
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A gentleman recalling his memory of living (as among others) a guy named Moshe in ancient egypt.
https//youtu.be/PToR6DjjdmU?t=2422 -
The Way of the Heart, the teachings from Jeshua ben Josef
https//youtu.be/hlBWULvcayw
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Quite interesting bro.
The only puzzling question I have is your probably answers.What I meant is that if the same exact soul can be divided into two different bodies separated thousands of years, then the question of accountability will be applied to which physical person?
A 'soul' is a 'finite consciousness'.
A fraction of the one infinite consciousness.
A soul can split to become many souls or many 'finite consciousness'.
And many souls can merged to become one soul or one 'finite consciousness'.Yet in the end the 'finite consciousness' will break it's border that separate a soul with another soul and rejoin the one infinite consciousness. Separation between soul is merely an illusion. Sufis call this as "Wahdat Al Wujd", singularity of all form of existence.
The one infinite consciousness is the "father", if we use Jesus lingo.
The finite consciousness is the "son", if we use Jesus lingo.
The last layer of finite consciousness prior to merging back with the one infinite consciousness (the father) is the "holy spirit", if we use Jesus lingo. In eastern tradition this is also being referred to as "Atman", in English sometimes also being referred as "The Self" or "The Higher Self" or "The Oversoul". In common language this is often being referred as "your conscience" as it continuously provide you with guidance.unless there is no physical concept in akhira.?
Space and Time is part of creation.
Ending is a marking in time, one see it as an 'end' yet other might see it as a 'beginning'.
It's two side of the same coin.
Yet space and time is not infinite, it's finite.
As it's part of creation.Space time will break, as scientist has found on their research on black hole.
What Happens When the Spacetime Continuum Breaks
https//youtu.be/ienNZA-ro4IAnd when one enter a blackhole, space become time and time become space.
How Time Becomes Space Inside a Black Hole
https//youtu.be/KePNhUJ2reIConsciousness is not within space time or time space.
It's the other way around; space time and time space is in consciousness.By the way it was my childhood wish that I can travel back and forth in time occupying different bodies and feel the experience -)
You already are, were and will be.
You just do not remember the experience.Similarly as you do not remember your dream last night once you're focusing on daily life.
And you do not remember about your daily life once you're focusing on your dream experience.
As such that "sleep" is often being referred as "mini death". -
Very interesting links. Thank you.
Another question, do you have references of the study from within Quran? I mean in Quran we find limitations.
And they ask you about the soul. Say The soul is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little. (1785)
I meant God is saying that the definition of soul not not possible to grasp with the scanty knowledge that human beings have, yet you have so clearly defined the whole concept.. hence my question.
A 'soul' is a 'finite consciousness'.
A fraction of the one infinite consciousness.
A soul can split to become many souls or many 'finite consciousness'.
And many souls can merged to become one soul or one 'finite consciousness'.Yet in the end the 'finite consciousness' will break it's border that separate a soul with another soul and rejoin the one infinite consciousness. Separation between soul is merely an illusion. Sufis call this as "Wahdat Al Wujd", singularity of all form of existence.
The one infinite consciousness is the "father", if we use Jesus lingo.
The finite consciousness is the "son", if we use Jesus lingo.
The last layer of finite consciousness prior to merging back with the one infinite consciousness (the father) is the "holy spirit", if we use Jesus lingo. In eastern tradition this is also being referred to as "Atman", in English sometimes also being referred as "The Self" or "The Higher Self" or "The Oversoul". In common language this is often being referred as "your conscience" as it continuously provide you with guidance.Space and Time is part of creation.
Ending is a marking in time, one see it as an 'end' yet other might see it as a 'beginning'.
It's two side of the same coin.
Yet space and time is not infinite, it's finite.
As it's part of creation.Space time will break, as scientist has found on their research on black hole.
What Happens When the Spacetime Continuum Breaks
https//youtu.be/ienNZA-ro4IAnd when one enter a blackhole, space become time and time become space.
How Time Becomes Space Inside a Black Hole
https//youtu.be/KePNhUJ2reIConsciousness is not within space time or time space.
It's the other way around; space time and time space is in consciousness.
You already are, were and will be.
You just do not remember the experience.Similarly as you do not remember your dream last night once you're focusing on daily life.
And you do not remember about your daily life once you're focusing on your dream experience.
As such that "sleep" is often being referred as "mini death". -
Amity,
no evidence of any sort exists for blackholes, dark matter or dark energy, all these constructed fictions were developed to give support to the lie of the big bang theory, developed by a Jesuit priest.
Conscious reality is built on dichotomies, time and space are the same, a dichotomy is the two extremes of the same thing, each side is mutually exclusive, meaning all elements within one side are missing in the other side, for example the dichotomy of sound and silence, in silence there is no sound, in sound there is no silence.
In this conscious reality, time, appears linear, at the other side of the dichotomy it is circular, meaning all time exists and can be accessed at the same instant, in this conscious reality space is the three-dimensional extent in which objects and events have relative position and direction, at the other end of the dichotomy space is a multi dimensional fluid, consciousness constructs infinite variety, and we grow in the garden of its limitless adventures, or we stagnate in fear and ignorance, or even devolve in lower states of consciousness, that exist in hatred, bigotry, selfishness and greed, religions all generate a mind in the lower states of existence, this is without exception, and by the design of those who invent religions, gods and dogma, those who seek worship, power and unearned wealth.
Abdun Nur
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we grow in the garden of its limitless adventures, or we stagnate in fear and ignorance, or even devolve in lower states of consciousness, that exist in hatred, bigotry, selfishness and greed, religions all generate a mind in the lower states of existence, this is without exception, and by the design of those who invent religions, gods and dogma, those who seek worship, power and unearned wealth.
Couldn't agree more with this.
Yet IT exist to show that NOT IT also exist (it's polar opposite), within the context of illusion of space/time and time/space.Do You Need Religion in Your Life?
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t7D4FYogX8Mind you that Jesus did NOT invent and/or founded any religion neither he ever wrote any book or scrolls.
In this conscious reality, time, appears linear, at the other side of the dichotomy it is circular, meaning all time exists and can be accessed at the same instant space
And such is the definition of space/time and time/space
In the same manner as all space are accessible at the same time (space/time), all time are also accessible at the same space (time/space).The movie "Interstellar" contain a scene where one exit the space/time realm and enter the time/space realm (illustrated as "inside" the "blackhole" where all time are accessible from the same space.
What If You Could Access the FOURTH Dimension? Interstellar explained
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML7mh_2_MUEMetaphorically this can be illustrated with, when one reading a novel, turning the pages from beginning to an end, the consciousness is "living" in the space/time dimension, experiencing the events as illustrated by the novel, page by page. Yet when one "zoomed out" and see the novel book as a whole, the consciousness is "living" in time/space dimension and it can choose to "read" / "zoomed in" to any pages of the novel as it wanted. All "time" of the novel is accessible from the same "space".
All the events described in the novel are merely "virtual" or "illusion", it's only the consciousness that is real.
Such is the background why (some) people interpret the motto "God Alone" as "Only God Alone Exist".Where the word God here it meant unbounded consciousness, borderless, infinite.
God/Consciousness do not exist in space/time or time/space, it's the other way around, space/time and time/space exist within God/Consciousness.And to tie this depiction back to the thread's topic.
Yes Jesus can "return" as many times as one wanted, when one repeatedly "zoomed in" to such time when a human called Jesus walked on earth, from time/space dimension. -
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I am just amazed at the people here who has studied The Qurán for years and yet never discover that there are verses in it that says; " we die twice and we live only twice as well. So, does it make sense that someone who is dead a long time ago can return to Earth again just because his name was Isa ibn Mariam or the Biblical Jesus? No dead people can return to Earth alive until the day of resurrection. Or perhaps, there is a exception for this particular servant of God? Al Baqarah 28 .Peace
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I am just amazed at the people here who has studied The Qurán for years and yet never discover that there are verses in it that says; " we die twice and we live only twice as well. So, does it make sense that someone who is dead a long time ago can return to Earth again just because his name was Isa ibn Mariam or the Biblical Jesus? No dead people can return to Earth alive until the day of resurrection. Or perhaps, there is a exception for this particular servant of God? Al Baqarah 28 .Peace
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Yes.. Failing to apply some sense with many a glaring verses of Quran leads to certain people to still believe that Isa son of Maryam would return.. Nonsense..Take a look at below verses...
5116-117
And when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness."
Do you get what verses say... Let me explain my understanding why Isa is dead and not a person to return here..
Carefully note verse.. What Isa reply to God... What God would ask... So.. Imagine at certain point of future Isa arrives on this earth and live certain number of years... So Isa has the access to Quran as well.. And he won't miss reading the above two verses... Well. He would get surprised.. Coz that's what he is gonna say on the day of judgement. .
But point is it he really returns to the earth why would Isa reply to God he is not aware of what happened after he took him (died)? Coz he can tell God yes when I returned to them I reminded them and I convinced them and more people believed in me and more people disblieved and still they accepted me as god.. But Isa simply answered to God I am not aware everaince you tool me up... It cannot be an answer from a person who returned back to life again and lived with later generation... If you not get me pls read the above two verses and apply some sense of Isa lived once again on earth and think of practical point of view... All up to you.. But for me it is clear...And the verse 228 .. Well.. It is definitely for disbelievers... Even you can compare the verse 4011 ..definitely disbelivers had two lives and two death... It is confirmed from their own conviction on the day of judgment or rather in hell and by God's direct saying in 228.. But true believers only one life.. And Isa son of Maryam was a true believer and so did have one single life span... That's done...
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Yes.. Failing to apply some sense with many a glaring verses of Quran leads to certain people to still believe that Isa son of Maryam would return.. Nonsense..Take a look at below verses...
5116-117
And when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness."
Do you get what verses say... Let me explain my understanding why Isa is dead and not a person to return here..
Carefully note verse.. What Isa reply to God... What God would ask... So.. Imagine at certain point of future Isa arrives on this earth and live certain number of years... So Isa has the access to Quran as well.. And he won't miss reading the above two verses... Well. He would get surprised.. Coz that's what he is gonna say on the day of judgement. .
But point is it he really returns to the earth why would Isa reply to God he is not aware of what happened after he took him (died)? Coz he can tell God yes when I returned to them I reminded them and I convinced them and more people believed in me and more people disblieved and still they accepted me as god.. But Isa simply answered to God I am not aware everaince you tool me up... It cannot be an answer from a person who returned back to life again and lived with later generation... If you not get me pls read the above two verses and apply some sense of Isa lived once again on earth and think of practical point of view... All up to you.. But for me it is clear...And the verse 228 .. Well.. It is definitely for disbelievers... Even you can compare the verse 4011 ..definitely disbelivers had two lives and two death... It is confirmed from their own conviction on the day of judgment or rather in hell and by God's direct saying in 228.. But true believers only one life.. And Isa son of Maryam was a true believer and so did have one single life span... That's done...
That's a very very good point you made bro. What you deduce is so logical.
