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why no expiation for not doing salat or zakat?

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    uq
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    Peace Wakas,

    Rather than give specific examples of commandments that do not require expiation, I think it would suit our purposes better to analyze those commandments that do require expiation.

    The following is not an exhaustive list?

    • The expiation of murder and of manslaughter

    • The expiation of a broken oath

    • The expiation of not performing sawm

    • The expiation of shaving your head during hajj and of not having a sacrificial offering

    • The expiation of swearing to God that you will not approach your wife

    That's off the top of my head. There could be a couple more.

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      For clarification, "expiation" is defined as "the act of making amends or repiration for guilt or wrong doing". This is distinct to "punishment" which is defined as "the infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offence".

      So, making up missed days of abstinence (sawm) and making a sacrificial offering in hajj if one prematurely shaves one's head, are both?I reckon?forms of expiation.

      Whereas, 100 lashes for the fornicator and capital punishment for the murderer are both?I reckon?forms of punishment.

      Thus, the distinction I present here lies in the difference between violating an explicit prohibition and between being unable to fulfil an obligation.

      I reckon this to be an important distinction because the Quran does not use the word to describe expiation (as in the first two examples above). But it does use the word to describe punishment (as in the second two examples above).

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        Wakas
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        I will have to give this some more thought then get back to you.

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          SAbboushi
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          salat and expiation

          I find that the word aqeemoo (&#1608 conveys a meaning of steadfastness, maintaining, keeping up with, to be constant in. I understand this to mean that we should make salat a consistent and regular part of our lives.

          As some have already said, salat is not "time-restricted", and it seems to me it is left to us as to what is consistent and regular.

          Since I find that the Quran does not provide any metric regarding salat, I would not know how to determine when I have failed... and it would only be upon my failure that maybe I would wish to know how to expiate for my failure.

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            SAbboushi
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            A revision of my last post re

            it seems to me it is left to us as to what is consistent and regular.

            It seems to me the meaning of being steadfast/constant in prayer is that we are to pray BOTH in good times and in bad, instead of only in bad. I suggest this because

            1. I find that the Quran points out how disbelievers only pray/worship God during times of adversity e.g. 2211
            2. That God tests us as a means to identify those characterized as #1 above e.g. 7217

            So to revise what I said earlier
            ... it seems to me it is left to us as to what is consistent and regular, as long as we're praying both in good times and in bad.

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              A revision of my last post re
              It seems to me the meaning of being steadfast/constant in prayer is that we are to pray BOTH in good times and in bad, instead of only in bad. I suggest this because

              1. I find that the Quran points out how disbelievers only pray/worship God during times of adversity e.g. 2211
              2. That God tests us as a means to identify those characterized as #1 above e.g. 7217

              So to revise what I said earlier
              ... it seems to me it is left to us as to what is consistent and regular, as long as we're praying both in good times and in bad.

              Hmmmm...
              I think the Quran is clear as to the times of prayer.
              As for why there is no expiation. I think that is a question raised with the intention of addressing whether salat and zakat are time restricted obligatory "performances"
              I don't think we can question God as to why there is no expiation for salat.
              Take it as it is and obey.
              There are so many alternatives God has given in the book if you fear you won't be able to perform salat, shortening prayer, reading what's easy of the Quran, you can say your prayer on foot or while riding.
              You are also given aplroximately a window of an "hour" for each salat
              There is basically no excuse for missing salat and if it is missed, just ask forgiveness.
              You can supplicate to God in humility and privacy any time.

              But the Salat is indeed for the believers a Book maqwutan
              Although I will state that salat and zakat are more affairs related to our personality and our hearts (i.e.Making contact and upholding the Reading and being generous and loving towards the needy and the relatives).

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                SAbboushi
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                I think the Quran is clear as to the times of prayer.

                Not so clear to me... can you help clarify for me? Since my request is off-topic, feel free to PM me?

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                  Not so clear to me... can you help clarify for me? Since my request is off-topic, feel free to PM me?

                  I will PM you if GOD so wills promptly.

                  I also failed to realize that Uq basically answered the OP, by stating that there is essentially a difference between not fulfilling an obligation and exceeding a prohibition.

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                    Wakas
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                    I think I forgot to say 4102 seems to imply there is no exemption from the salat (at least in this example) because it says one can lay down their arms due to illness but it still doesn't exempt one from salat.

                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                      Thanks for pointing that out. Examining the surrounding verses has caused me to reconsider my earlier replies. To quote your earlier post... "I will have to give this some more thought"

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                        #39

                        After multiple years later. I had a conversation with chatGPT about this topic:
                        https://www.academia.edu/146219028/Why_no_expiation_or_making_up_of_missed_salat_in_Quran_and_also_zakat_

                        U can skip to the end for the summary:

                        Conclusion (Qurʾān-only)
                         Zakat in the Qurʾān is best understood as general purification / betterment / moral
                        development.
                         This fits perfectly with our expiation framework:
                        o Relational, identity-based acts → no make-up / no expiation
                        o Procedural, measurable acts → make-up/expiation exists
                         In other words: Ṣalāt and Zakat share the same Qurʾānic logic regarding moral accountability vs.
                        procedural compensation.

                        Qurʾānic Expiation / Make-Up Checklist
                        A. Expiation / Make-Up Exists (Yes)

                        An act requires compensation if ALL of these Qurʾānic conditions are met:

                        1. Procedural / measurable act
                          o The act is external and quantifiable (e.g., days of fasting, animal sacrifice).
                          o Qurʾān examples: fasting (2:184), Hajj/‘Umrah (2:196), ẓihār (58:3–4), hunting in sacred
                          months (5:95).
                        2. Specific violation occurred
                          o A prohibition or obligation was concretely broken.
                          o Example: missed fast day, interrupted pilgrimage, broken oath.
                        3. Material / external consequences
                          o The act has objective impact on others or the ritual order.
                          o Example: sacrificial animal replaces missed Hajj rite; charity or fasting compensates for
                          ẓihār.
                        4. Restoration / replacement is possible
                          o A substitute action can meaningfully restore the obligation.
                          o Qurʾān prescribes alternative acts (2:196, 5:95, 58:3–4).
                          B. Expiation / Make-Up Does Not Exist (No)

                        An act cannot be made up or expiated if ANY of these Qurʾānic features apply:

                        1. Relational / identity-based act
                          o The act defines conscious alignment or orientation, not a tally.
                          o Examples: ṣalāt (4:43, 74:43, 107:4–5, 19:59), zakāt (2:267, 30:39).
                        2. Time-specific, instantaneous engagement
                          o Missed moment cannot be retroactively “experienced”.
                          o Example: missed ṣalāt moment or heedless engagement; cannot be redone later.
                        3. No tangible violation of others or external order
                          o Missing or neglecting it does not create a measurable deficit.
                          o Example: personal act of worship; moral consequence exists, but no procedural debt.
                        4. Correction = moral / conscious return, not substitution
                          o The Qurʾān emphasizes renewed awareness, alignment, or moral return, not a
                          replacement ritual.
                          o Example: turning back to ṣalāt (4:43, 107:4–5), moral purification through generosity (2:267,
                          30:39).

                        Summary Rule
                         Expiation / Make-Up exists only when the act is: measurable, procedural, violated, and
                        externally restorable.
                         Relational, instantaneous, or identity-defining acts (like ṣalāt or Qurʾānic zakāt) cannot be made up — moral return is the Qurʾānic solution.

                        Note: AI may make mistakes here and there. Posted as food for thought. Always seek knowledge and verify information

                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                          #40

                          What I am struggling with is something very basic but also very deep, and it connects directly to the question about why the Quran provides expiation for some obligations but not for Salat and Zakat.

                          We are debating Salat and Zakat in great detail, even though they are among the most frequently mentioned and foundational concepts in the Quran. People disagree on whether they are rituals, moral orientations, financial systems, ethical principles, or some combination of all of these. And yet, no clear consensus emerges. This matters because the question of expiation depends entirely on the nature of the act itself. One cannot ask why there is no make-up or compensation unless one is clear about what kind of obligation Salat and Zakat actually are.

                          This raises a serious question for me. If these concepts were so central to the Quran, how is it possible that we still cannot agree on what they actually mean, while at the same time we are confident that other duties like fasting or pilgrimage are clearly defined enough to allow compensation when missed. And if we decide to reject Hadith as religious authority, that may be fine, but we cannot simply reject history itself. People lived with the Prophet. A society existed for decades while revelation was ongoing. They must have had a practical understanding of these commands and of what failure or neglect meant in real life.

                          Conventional Islam did not appear suddenly. It took shape over time, influenced by political authority, empire, legal systems, and the need to standardize practice across vast regions. Salat and Zakat eventually became formalized into procedures and policies. There were rules, numbers, timings, thresholds, and legal manuals. Along with that formalization came a strong sense of consequence, guilt, and accountability tied to procedural compliance. This development did not happen overnight. It evolved gradually after the death of the Prophet, across generations.

                          Today, most Muslim sects agree on the outward form of Salat and the financial structure of Zakat, even if they disagree on details. That level of agreement suggests that some shared understanding existed early on. However, the Quran itself does not frame Salat and Zakat in the same way it frames fasting or pilgrimage when it comes to missed performance or compensation. This difference may be intentional rather than accidental.

                          At the same time, something clearly went wrong in how consequences were internalized. Many Muslims today feel intense guilt over missing a single prayer, as if it were an irreparable failure, yet feel little inner disturbance over lying, injustice, exploiting others, harming or disobeying parents, or consuming what does not belong to them. That imbalance cannot come from the Quran itself. The Quran consistently condemns injustice and hypocrisy and repeatedly criticizes ritual that is disconnected from ethics. It never introduces a system of compensatory payments or substitute actions for missed Salat or neglected Zakat in the way it does for fasting or pilgrimage-related violations.

                          This imbalance is probably why many Quran-focused readers push back against ritualism altogether and question why there is no expiation for Salat and Zakat. But rejecting everything inherited is just as easy and just as shallow as accepting everything without thought. It is simple to say that most of traditional Islam got it wrong, but that also ignores lived history and human continuity.

                          It is possible that Salat and Zakat always had outward forms, recognizable practices that people performed regularly. It is also possible that these acts were never meant to be treated as procedural debts that could be missed and later paid off. If Salat and Zakat are acts of continuous alignment, moral orientation, and conscious engagement, then the absence of expiation makes sense. One does not compensate for a broken relationship with a substitute action. One returns, realigns, and corrects course.

                          The earliest Muslim community did not receive a policy document explaining how to compensate for missing Salat, nor a formula for making up neglected Zakat. They received guidance gradually, in motion, within a shared language and moral culture. Meaning came before codification. Orientation came before standardization.

                          We may never fully reconstruct exactly how the first community practiced every detail or how they internally understood failure in these acts. That may not be a failure of preservation, but a deliberate feature of the Quran. The Quran preserves principles and direction, not mechanisms for procedural repair in every case. Moral responsibility was never meant to be reduced to accounting.

                          So the real question may not be why there is no expiation for Salat and Zakat, but what kind of acts they are meant to be. If they are identity-forming, relational, and continuous, then they do not lend themselves to make-up or substitution in the way time-bound, measurable acts do.

                          Living with that uncertainty is uncomfortable, but perhaps it is necessary. The Quran does not demand false certainty. It repeatedly calls for reflection, humility, sincerity, and awareness of human limits. If I am at a loss, it is not because the Quran is unclear, but because I see the cost of oversimplifying acts that were never meant to be reduced to procedural debts.

                          And that, perhaps, is the most honest way to bring this discussion back to the original question about consequences and expiation.

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                            Wakas
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                            i asked it to analyse this article, bearing in mind its expiation analysis above:
                            https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/covenant-quran.html

                            Based strictly on Qurʾān and the article:

                            Dīn = living covenant

                            Covenant = sustained attachment and fidelity

                            Ṣalāt = vertical attachment (God-ward orientation)

                            Zakāt = horizontal attachment (social purification and joining)

                            Remove either:

                            You sever what God commanded to be joined (2:27, 13:21)

                            You exit covenantal space

                            Expiation becomes meaningless

                            You do not “make up” for absence of relationship — you either return to it or remain outside it.

                            One-line conclusion

                            Ṣalāt and zakāt are not expiate-able because they are not acts within the covenant — they are the covenant in lived form.

                            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                              Wakas
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                              Recent thought: possible reason why if one missed salat time they cannot make up for it another time, is because it is communal.

                              e.g. from Layth:
                              features of Salat that are clearly group related:

                              • The ablution or cleaning with soil (clearly a people thing)
                              • The audible voice during the Salat (again, someone has to be listening)
                              • The examples of Salat are always group related (e.g. 4:102)
                              • The hypocrites doing Salat are doing so "to be seen" (by whom, the group) - 4:142
                              • The call to Salat 5:58 (audible declaration - for the group)

                              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                I get the "Salat is communal” angle (call to salat, fear salat in groups, hypocrites doing it to be seen). But if its that public/communal why don’t we find its steps laid out(# of rakas etc). like we find inheritance shares laid out? The Quran specifies numbers when ambiguity causes injustice and disputes. For salat it seems to assume a known living practice and focuses on purpose (dhikr, humility, not showing off) and on adjustments in fear/travel/illness. Maybe the ʿillah is simply that ṣalat was already practiced and transmitted from prophets so the Quran didn’t re-document mechanics, it corrected the orientation. If that’s true, then “communal” alone may not be the reason there’s no make-up rather it’s more that salat is covenant/relationship, you return to it rather than repay a missed slot.

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                                  IMO, salat al fajr = quran al fajr. Pretty self explanatory.
                                  Thus there is little need to make it regimented, provide an exact sequence etc. There is structure with flexibility:
                                  https://www.quranvshadith.com/salat.html

                                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                    If Salat is communal in the sense of synchronized participation (call, rows, fear format), then it cannot be merely individual recitation without some shared form. A communal act presupposes recognizable structure. Since the Quran does not codify detailed procedure, it seems more likely that it assumes an already known practice and focuses on orientation rather than mechanics.

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                                      Along with salat’s basic purpose, the regular, timed salat for believers (17:78, 11:114, 24:58) seems to serve as a test of priorities, as reflected in the instruction to leave even business behind (62:9,11) and the guidance to maintain salat even in times of fear (4:101-102, 2:239). In that sense, the timing would appear to be binding (kitāban mawqūta, 4:103) even on an individual who is alone or unable to reach a group.
                                      There are verses that depict salat in a group context. At the same time, Zakariya is described as being in salat (3:39), which appears to reflect an individual moment.
                                      The Qur’an does not state explicitly whether a missed salat can or cannot be made up, which seems to leave that space open.
                                      And ablution could also function as a personal act of mental and physical resetting.
                                      Likewise, reciting/reading in an audible voice (17:110) might help an individual maintain focus, even if alone, and can also act as a gentle reminder to those nearby (close relatives/colleagues etc).

                                      And the call to salat may serve not only those who attend, but also as a reminder to anyone who hears it, even if they cannot join.
                                      The Qur’an speaks of moderation (17:110; 31:19) as well as engaging others with wisdom and in the best manner (e.g. 16:125; 41:34), which may also guide how expressions/acts of devotion are carried out in shared spaces.

                                      — To the best of my current understanding (17:36). ​من الله كل خير ولله الحمد
                                      "O you who have attained to faith! Surrender yourselves wholly unto God ..." [2:208], [3:102]

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                                        IMO, salat al fajr = quran al fajr. Pretty self explanatory.
                                        Thus there is little need to make it regimented, provide an exact sequence etc. There is structure with flexibility:
                                        https://www.quranvshadith.com/salat.html

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                                        @Wakas said in why no expiation for not doing salat or zakat?:

                                        IMO, salat al fajr = quran al fajr. Pretty self explanatory.
                                        Thus there is little need to make it regimented, provide an exact sequence etc. There is structure with flexibility:
                                        https://www.quranvshadith.com/salat.html

                                        Peace Wakas,

                                        First and foremost, let me say that I really enjoyed reading your article about Salat. I think it's excellent. Furthermore, I can tell that you've put a lot of thought and effort into exploring this topic. In addition, I truly appreciate your work and believe it's an important contribution to Qur'anic studies, specifically regarding interpolations (i.e. Hadith).

                                        With the utmost respect, I'd like to offer a small point for consideration regarding the notion in your article that each prophet likely had their own unique form of salat (reference to Supplement 5: What about salat?). From my understanding of the Qur'an, all the prophets and the righteous men and women among their communities, specifically in the early generations, performed salat in the same or a similar way, as clearly shown in verses 19:58-60. Moreover, these verses unmistakably show that salat was a consistent practice among the prophets and their faithful followers in those early generations, regardless of time or place. However, later generations strayed from the original, correct way of performing salat, followed their own desires, and experienced serious and significant consequences. I believe this perspective strengthens our understanding of salat's enduring significance and shows that the true version of Salat is a timeless practice, unchanged throughout the history of humankind.

                                        I'd like to share some quotes from your article and my thoughts regarding them.

                                        Thus, within the Qur'anic framework there is both structure and flexibility. Monotheism, humility, sincerity, and the moral fruits of salat are primary; exact sequences are secondary.

                                        I agree 100 percent. The basic spiritual principles, such as monotheism, humility, and sincerity, are paramount. The form of salat should never eclipse the higher spiritual purpose it serves. The Qur'an prioritizes the essence of the practice (connecting with God through the recitation of God's revelations) over rigid adherence to exact sequences. This distinction ensures the flexibility needed to adapt the practice to diverse contexts while preserving its main purpose.

                                        Traditional scholars themselves acknowledge that previous prophets had their own forms of salat, which—though different—were still valid before God.

                                        While some traditional scholars acknowledge the existence of different forms of salat regarding previous prophets, this stance appears to be at odds with the Qur'anic narrative in verses 19:58-60. These verses explicitly indicate that the practices of the prophets were remarkably consistent over time. I think this raises a critical question. Should historical accounts confirm the Qur'an, or does the Qur'an, as the ultimate Furqan (criterion), define historical truth? Since the Qur'an serves as the final and unifying criterion for all beliefs and practices, it is chrystal clear that any historical variance must be understood through the lens of Qur'anic teachings, which unmistakably show salat as a timeless and consistent practice, since all the prophets and the righteous men and women among their communities, specifically in the early generations, performed salat in the same or a similar way (see verses 19:58-60).

                                        If form were decisive, then the salat of Moses, Jesus, or Abraham, etc. — all of whom likely performed salat differently — would be invalid, which contradicts both Qur'anic testimony and divine justice.

                                        Again, verses 19:58-60 illustrate that the prophets practiced salat in a very similar manner, which unmistakably show the unity and consistency of this basic act of faith. While salat undoubtedly has a form (such as being performed at prescribed times, with a moderate tone of voice, and so on), the validity of salat does not hinge on these things. Instead, it is the sincerity, intent, consistency, and spiritual and moral results of the practice that truly determines its worth before God. The Qur'an makes it unmistakably clear that what matters is not the specific sequence of actions, but the purity of heart and devotion to God, which transcends form.

                                        Both reason and revelation point to the same truth: the form is a means, not an end.

                                        I fully agree. The form is merely a vehicle, a means to a profound spiritual end. Both reason and revelation confirm that the true purpose of salat is to create a sincere connection with God. The physical actions are important, but they are a reflection of inner devotion and discipline. Ultimately, the form is secondary to the substance (which consists of the sincerity, humility, and reflection that each Salat embodies).

                                        Lastly, there are ample examples in traditions showing significant variance and evolution in salat, especially among earliest Muslims.

                                        While it is true that there were some variations in practice during the Prophet's time, these differences were largely localized and often stemmed from diverse cultural contexts. The Qur'an consistently shows a unified and consistent practice of salat, specifically among the early generations of Muslims, as seen in verses 19:58-60. This Qur'anic passage directly contrasts the traditions with the notion of evolving differences, and clearly shows that the essence of salat has remained consistent throughout history. Any divergence in practice among early Muslims should be understood as a reflection of human adaptation within the broader framework of a unified, divinely ordained act of faith.

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                                          peace, can you clarify how 19:58-60 "clearly and explicitly" state what you claim they are saying?

                                          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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