hajj is (in) the months well known... 2:197
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"the hajj are months well known so whoever undertook the hajj within them..." 2197
"the hajj is (in) months well known so whoever undertook the hajj within them..." 2197Peace brother Wakas,
This begs the question, how is it that the "hajj" are months well known to us? How are we any different than the Sunnis in interpreting this? What makes this untranslated word "hajj" inherently hapening in a well known time to all of humanity?
There is no such thing as universal known months for a pilgrimage or for a debate or whatever. There is on the other hand well known harvest full-moons for the harvest feast. So now by properly translating this passage it suddenly becomes obvious and clear and completely self-explanatory
"The harvest feast is full-moons well known so whoever decreed the harvest feast within them..." 2197
Peace and best regards,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman,
May I know how did you take two words (Harvest & Feast) for one word (Haj)? Is it your understanding to the word Haj or is it from root words of ?HAJ??.Further please let me know the actual words used in quran to mean Harvest & feast separately other than Haj if those words available in quran?
Full Moons (would you please explain when you said Full moons, does it mean complete cycle of full moons i.e. month/s well know to audience?) Do you normally translate all the words of Ash?hurr as full moons in quran and not as months?2197 Arberry The Pilgrimage(haj) is in months well-known; whoso undertakes the duty of Pilgrimage in them shall not go in to his womenfolk nor indulge in ungodliness and disputing in the Pilgrimage. Whatever good you do, God knows it. And take provision; but the best provision is godfearing, so fear you Me, men possessed of minds!
Further please translate the Complete verse 2197 as per your best understanding and explain pls the highlighted portions in connection with Harvest Feast..Appreciate your response?
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Peace...
For me after thoroughly pondering over the verses of umra I have concluded that there is no any such rituals mentioned in Quran... Haj is definitely mainly based with rituals and the one who fulfils it is a haji (pilgrim) .. But umra is nothing just a pointless addition...
This particular word umra ayn mīm rā is none other but cultivating / maintain or foster etc...
Since Haj is something it can be fulfilled over the period of four months, definitely there arise the necessity of those who maintain the restricted sanctuary... First of all such places needs to be clean and tidy... Unless more men are assigned or voluntarily taking part in fostering the restricted sanctuary where Haj do take place it would be tough going..
Even in the verse 2196 it is fulfill Haj and maintenance for Allah... Umra is just an addition as ritual through hadith I consider.. If anyone has any objection I do welcome him or her to present the view that umra is also a ritual like haj... But those who maintain /foster masjid Al haram (restricted sanctuary can also fulfil haj while doing maintenance (umra)Imran rituals.. That's not gonna workout within Quran..
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First, let's notice that there's no IN (fee فِي) at the start of 2197, so it cannot mean that el-Hajj is IN anything. The proof for this is 2228 where IN was used with eyām ma'loomāt فِي أَيَّامٍ مَعْلُومَاتٍ. This means that el-Hajj IS ešhur ma'loomāt أَشْهُرٌ مَعْلُومَاتٌ and we have to figure out what this means.
Passive ma'loomāt is a feminine plural and it's an adjective of ešhur here. The passive participle means that some verb was done on its subject if there's no active participle, or it means that some verb is doing on its subject in case that there's an active participle. Since we can't see an active participle we should conclude that ma'lumāt already have their passive state. We should note that the language of the Qur'an has an anticausative also, which is expressed by verbal form VII. So, who made ešhur ma'lumāt?
We should note that ešhur is more likely masculine, especially in 654 since it has feminine number (3) or 95 where probably masculine adjective Hurum is used. Due to this we could conclude that ešhur, as all other words, has multiple meaning and that some meanings are masculine and some feminine, because it's obvious that in 2197 ešhur should be feminine plural. As ešhur in 654 most probably means "(3) months" where it's masculine, we can conclude that ešhur in 2197 has some other meaning.
Root šeen-ha-ra describes revealing of something step-by-step, or in case of the Moon by phases. Ešhur as a collective noun can mean all these steps or phases, thus in relation to the Moon it means "(lunar) month". This collective form is singular and plural same time, as, for example, enfus is singular and plural for "self" (selves). This also mean that ešhur is not a plural of šehr, which has its normal plural in šuhoor, as, for example, beyt has buyoot.
If ešhur are not months, then what it means here?
Due to its root meaning and noun's form we could conclude that ešhur is some sort of a collection of revealings. Since el-Hajj is debating, discussing we could conclude that ešhur means a collection of presentations speakers/participants in el-Hajj. Why they're ma'loomāt? Because the host (Ibrahim and people after him) already chosen and decided which set of topics and their presenters will be el-Hajj.
The rest of 2197 talks about those who participiate IN THEM (fee hinne فِيهِنَّ), meaning speakers/participants in presentations of the Hajj.
I hope this makes sense...
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"the hajj are months well known so whoever undertook the hajj within them..." 2197
"the hajj is (in) months well known so whoever undertook the hajj within them..." 2197Slight correction/clarification
"the hajj are months well known so whoever specifies/obligates the hajj within them..." 2197
i.e. it is the person that determines this. Similar to what I said about when to end it, see
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Slight correction/clarification
"the hajj are months well known so whoever specifies/obligates the hajj within them..." 2197
How the Hajj can be months? Why you reject that word ešhur can mean something else?
Nobody can understand the Qur'an unless he understands why melaa'iket in the first story told in the Qur'an in 230 asked what they asked. How come they came to the conclusion that there'll be fesaad in 'erD and blood will be shed?
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Peace
I have a question to anyone in the forum about Hajj"" . Since when did 'Hajj' become exclusively for muslims only? Do you not think that belief contradicts 22/27?
وَأَذِّن فِي النَّاسِ بِالْحَجِّ يَأْتُوكَ رِجَالًا وَعَلَىٰ كُلِّ ضَامِرٍ يَأْتِينَ مِن كُلِّ فَجٍّ عَمِيقٍ
Transliteration Waaththin fee alnnasi bialhajji yatooka rijalan waAAala kulli damirin yateena min kulli fajjin AAameeqin
Yusuf Ali "And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways;
Mohsin Khan And proclaim to mankind the Hajj (pilgrimage). They will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distant (wide) mountain highway (to perform Hajj ).
Saheeh And proclaim to the people the Hajj ; they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel; they will come from every distant pass -Most students of The Qurán know that there is no contradiction within Allah's Book of Guidance.
Peace
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Peace
I have a question to anyone in the forum about Hajj"" . Since when did 'Hajj' become exclusively for muslims only? Do you not think that belief contradicts 22/27?
وَأَذِّن فِي النَّاسِ بِالْحَجِّ يَأْتُوكَ رِجَالًا وَعَلَىٰ كُلِّ ضَامِرٍ يَأْتِينَ مِن كُلِّ فَجٍّ عَمِيقٍ
Transliteration Waaththin fee alnnasi bialhajji yatooka rijalan waAAala kulli damirin yateena min kulli fajjin AAameeqin
Yusuf Ali "And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways;
Mohsin Khan And proclaim to mankind the Hajj (pilgrimage). They will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distant (wide) mountain highway (to perform Hajj ).
Saheeh And proclaim to the people the Hajj ; they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel; they will come from every distant pass -Most students of The Qurán know that there is no contradiction within Allah's Book of Guidance.
Peace
Yes.. Hope you don't mind to see my reply...
Yes.. Sure it was made for human being regardless of what faith they were in.. As we all aware there was No Haj before Ibrahim... All it started after building the the Bait Al Mazaba Lin Nas 2125...
In my understanding as of today the main purpose of building the house and then gradually converging the People towards the house is to expose that there is No god But God(Allah)... Simply spread the message to more communities.. Definitely Manasik do take place in Haj... Remembering God alone is theme though as well many benefits to those whoever converge there...
But those who surrendered to God when they converge to the house it is different.. Their Haj is for Allah.. Read 2196 for confirmation.. ie Haj and maintenance (umra) for Allah..What exactly taking place in Haj from Ibrahim to Mohamed... All prophets did converge in those well known Ash'hur (months) is spreading message to wider range of people mainly focusing on One God faith and leave all other gods and never associate anything with God.. God's name to be mentioned as much as possible during this.. This is the utmost priority... So God made the place so secured and restricted giving a full guarantee of safety in it for everyone .. And the house is situated in Masjid AL Haram (in restricted natural Sanctuary) .. Ibrahim and Ismail built the house house in that natural sancturary... So gradually the haj which is taking place became well known to everyone and where it take place and when it takes place.. God also without any ambiguity mentioned well known months since everyone knew..
And it does not start in full moon but in new moon as God precisely indicated that Hilal is indication for Haj.. For me these are four restricted months and that was well known from Prophet Ibrahim to Mohamed since God did show Ibrahim all Manasik..
Initially everyone came to Ibrahim to get the message as verses are clearly in 2227 but to the house to witness what is benefit for them regardless of their faith.. If believers increase faith if nonbelievers perhaos they realize the Creator is One.. Meanwhile Ibrahim is spreading message from the sanctuary...similarly every prophet did that in the same house. Coz in my understanding all prophets were not far away from the house built by Ibrahim.. Later only people spread throughout the world.. But still from far distance people converged even at the time of Ibrahim as verse clearly says.. So with Mohamed chapter closed.. And prophets sealed and Haj which initiated from Ibrahim came to an end coz mesaage is spread and people started spreading all corners of the earth.. And God intentionally eradicated the knowledge of well known months and the place of his house... (for me personally it was in Madyan currently belonging to Egypt)..
But God clearly said in Quran after this year of theirs don't allow Mushrikun to enter Masjid AL Haram (to restricted Sanctuary) so definitely they invented another location which is Makka... When prophet MOHAMED demised and believrs diminished and disblievers and Munafiq especially took over Makka became icon...Yes.. God has completed His Risala the message and and sealed prophets and there is no point of Haj... Believrs have to take the book and remember God as much as they can...
God proclaimed the Haj for people (regardless of faith) once the house was built through Ibrahim and terminated everything with Mohamed... That's my take and I am absolutely happy with it..
If God not let know to People God is One who will do that from the beginning. That's the aim of Haj from the inception God is one and let people know that by converging to His house plus listening to His prophetic Messengers too. While all were one community God didnt initiate thus but when community one gradually became many God initiated it.. And ended it when world is not far from reach. Are we not one community one community now?
Note.. Every nation was treated equally by God by letting them come to His house and the sanctuary and slaughter their own cattles and mention name of God.. That's for each nation manasik...
Additional point... I missed out... If Allah not commanded believers in chaptet 9 verse 28 to not allow the Mushrik to Masjid AL Haram, it would have become same like Makka now full of idolworship.. Allah knew He is gonna end the chaptet buy not giving his house and the masjid AL haram at the hands of mushrikun but God kept the purity of the location once His house located as it is.. Remember chapter 9 is last of few revelations to prophet MOHAMED and soon all all collapsed with time.. Only Munafiq and mushrikun joined hands and made their own religion.... Allah preserved His blessed land from idol worship.. Well planned by Allah...
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peace,
I have a question to anyone in the forum about Hajj"" . Since when did 'Hajj' become exclusively for muslims only? Do you not think that belief contradicts 22/27?
See here for my view
https//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.htmlParticipants
it is open to all mankind (who are willing to abide by the laws of the land) - for whoever is able to make a way to it
if you wish to go but are prevented then send whatever is easy of gift/offering (with a representative) - if unable to do this then one can redeem by way of abstinence/charity/sacrificeThis thread could also be read in conjunction with
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610235.0
