Biased translations are to be exposed.

Wakas

What if your translations are biased?

Can you tell us what methodology you use to arrive at an understanding?
And do you use Quranic word cross-reference in your method, i.e. do you look at all other occurrences of where the word occurs in Quran?

Until this is clarified I do not find your translations credible.

jkhan

What if your translations are biased?

Can you tell us what methodology you use to arrive at an understanding?
And do you use Quranic word cross-reference in your method, i.e. do you look at all other occurrences of where the word occurs in Quran?

Until this is clarified I do not find your translations credible.

Peace /Salam..

No prejudiced statements or translations from me and I can't convince anyone (the same) with my words and it won't worth either.. But I found out almost all translations which I have read in my life were either hadith biased or due to lack of applications of comparisons and most of all without guidance it was translated. It's clear without guidance is number reason. Were they guided, I am absolutely sure they won't mock the verses of God in the way they were translated..

I don't won't anyone accept my understanding but reflect if you have time and bring the flaws based on arabic words / grammar or contextually so I can point where he/she is right/wrong in his claims ..

I don't translate blindly.. Had I, then people would already have found many loopholes...
Just for example in 2142 the reason, I translated almashriqi and alMagribi as I did with intention and well within arabic and that only gives perfect meaning to the verse itself.. Just simply saying East and West won't give any connection to what God spoke in the context.. But definitely I know in many of the verses Mashriqi and Magribi has its usual meaning.. Or else I know Nikah is well known as marriage but in verse 46 it cannot mean marriage and it is not but Emancipation is the right meaning and it is not against the word itself.. And it gives exact meaning to the verse much sense.

I know brother.. This dialogue may not end with uniformity but it is the nature of this guidance of God.. The one who is rightly guided cannot go wrong.. And the one who is guided cannot prove to the others I am talking with guidance... But if the other is guided he or she will definitely will pick the right thing from Quran will realize he is speaking truth or false .. And I am sure I have written it with guidance.. But I can't convince anyone and useless that effort is and I won't try that either..

Biased or not is left to conclude by the believers who read it.. Coz they have quran and let them think whether I have written in bias of someone or some religious sects etc . If they think so.. Let it be.. I can't and I won't change them and their speculations.. Quran is word of God.. And none can ever translate it as it is into another language. Impossible.. But don't lie with the verses of Quran either biased or without knowledge or without guidance from Quran especially..
Let those read and reflect... After all those who don't speak Arabic the only option of understanding the book of God in true sense is by begging to God to guide them to what is right.. If they are guided and then it won't be difficult to pick what I have written.. Until then all the truth in the earth would look only lies..

In a nutshell.. In court.. Two lawyers represent for ONE incident .. One is biased and one is with truth.. But judge knows who biased and who spoke the truth.. So be you all judge ...isnt that so simple.. To be a judge you need to dig deep and reflect otherwise you may end up in biased side..

Thank you..

Wakas

Thanks for clarifying that you assume you are unbiased (i.e. objective) and you choose the meaning in a verse that makes sense to you at the time (and will often never mention other occurrences where it doesn't make sense unless it is brought up by someone) - this of course assumes your sense/logic is good/perfect. I contend that it is not, neither is mine, hence why I strictly adhere to a robust methodology such as http//www.quran434.com/study-method.html

I contend that this methodology (which is of course based on Quran) is far superior to yours.

I don't translate blindly.. Had I, then people would already have found many loopholes...

What if very few read them or understand them or can be bothered to critique them?

I'm sorry brother but your methodology reminds me of two things

a kid's game called "blind man's bluff". The person who is it (i.e. translator) stumbles and fumbles around and if they are lucky catches someone (i.e. the truth).
the saying "throw the baby out with the bathwater"

But I agree with you that a rightly guided reader will be able to discern the truth, i.e. "separate the wheat from the chaff". One of my primary goals has been to equip readers with excellent tools to make this job easier, hence www.StudyQuran.org etc.

Each to their own.

jkhan

Thanks for clarifying that you assume you are unbiased (i.e. objective) and you choose the meaning in a verse that makes sense to you at the time (and will often never mention other occurrences where it doesn't make sense unless it is brought up by someone) - this of course assumes your sense/logic is good/perfect. I contend that it is not, neither is mine, hence why I strictly adhere to a robust methodology such as http//www.quran434.com/study-method.html

I contend that this methodology (which is of course based on Quran) is far superior to yours.

What if very few read them or understand them or can be bothered to critique them?

I'm sorry brother but your methodology reminds me of two things

a kid's game called "blind man's bluff". The person who is it (i.e. translator) stumbles and fumbles around and if they are lucky catches someone (i.e. the truth).
the saying "throw the baby out with the bathwater"

But I agree with you that a rightly guided reader will be able to discern the truth, i.e. "separate the wheat from the chaff". One of my primary goals has been to equip readers with excellent tools to make this job easier, hence www.StudyQuran.org etc.

Each to their own.

If you translate with robust methodology, then absolutely fine.. Do it brother... But let the verses make sense.. I know most of what you translated away from hadith nature but only through Quran but most of the time it didn't make sense and you didn't conclude and left it unsolved.. Even you article what is Masjid haram.. Left it in no man's land.. People or rather a reader couldn't in the come to a conclusion.. But I won't leave like that...

Rather than talking a lot here just bring the flaw abd let's discuss that.. I don't care how many people read.. I am not a posting here like facebook addicted persin to see how many liked my post. Lol... Let whoever read, reflect.. How many of earth would have read the book of God. Does God bothered that most not read it..
This baby and bathwater stuff I used to here from hadith followers mouth to attack those who follow Quran alone..

Just bring flaw and state not at all meaningful... Then discuss... You didn't bring any flaw yet but talking a lot agaisnt.. What logic is that... It is like in court talking agaisnt evidence and say I don't accept it but failing to say why not accept.. Lol
May I see you simple translation of 434 since linked.. I don't see the translation there... Let's keep discussion amicable so either of us would learn in case one of us is wrong..

jkhan

434 The husbands are the sustainers over the wives with what preferred / favored the God one of them over the other, and with what they (husbands) spent(dowry) from their wealth. So thus in the absence of (husbands) respectful, controlling, the righteous women who gaurded/controlled what meant to be by the God.
And those whom you afraid misconducts of theirs, so then advise them and keep them away in/from the inclinations/approaches and restrain them. So if they obeyed you, then don't seek a path against them. Indeed the God is great in Rank.

though some of the women may not like what God has meant above, but it is the truth from God.. There is a reason behind giving a lot wealth to a woman by husband before marriage...it has lot of hidden reasons.. Women not need to give but men... Musa's father in law ordered musa to serve him 8 years has a weighty
Proof of that, since musa was empty handed and homeless.. Serving 8 years to father was a condition and it was the demand of dowry from a person who had nothing to guve as dowry ..so men are different to women in the sight of God.. But all are equal in action and in reward... Also giving a demanded wealth according to one's ability will definitely reduce to certain extent false marriage or marriage for sex and throw. Coz demand is high and who wants to have sex by paying such a big amount.. So genuinely marrying only would come up with.. That's my take.. Otherwise pls explain what is the reason of dowry given to women regardless of her social status rich or poor..

jkhan

2215
Whoever ascertains that the God will support him not in the World and the Hereafter, so then let him reinforce with a relation / tie / bond followed with the Specified term (the highness) . After that let him disassociate /disconnect, so then let him wait and see whether his conspiracy / plan would take away what infuriates.

Reflect deep my fellow believers what Allah is trying to say... How beautiful God's example is.. But what all translations presented to us are mere shame.. I don't whether they don't understand arabic or they are deviated far from truth...

Now you can easily perceive what Allah talks in the verse...

jkhan

1874 Then they both proceeded until when they encountered a boy. So then he threatened / bullied / frustrated him (the boy). He (Musa) said "have you threatened / bullied / frustrated an innocent person without in himself (such). Certainly you committed a evil thing."

1880 And regarding the boy; his parents are believers, so we worried he would treat them harsh with transgression and denial. So willed / intended their(dual) Lord to change / alter / modify for them(parents) better from/of him (the boy) in purity and nearness of generosity.

Reflect deeply... Would Allah ever change His genuine path... Never gonna order and kill innocent and be proud on that... I translated with logic and grammar and the truth... Note well word baddala /chanfed doesn't mean Allah changed that Boy with another boy... But Allah changed him with purity.. As far as I know change doesn't mean new in Quran but modification.. Refer 1015 or any verse which appear baddala..
On top of that, Kill doesn't mean even in English always killing a person.. Needless to elaborate that.. Here also faqathalahu doesn't mean KILLED.. but look at my translation..
Allah is just and always just...
Three actions did by Musa's teacher and all meant for betterment in the future.. But all actions did to achieve the betterment in the future were also good acceptavle actions and not barbaric actions.. Reflect... Similarly 489

Thank yiu

jkhan

1874 Then they both proceeded until when they encountered a boy. So then he threatened / bullied / frustrated him (the boy). He (Musa) said "have you threatened / bullied / frustrated an innocent person without in himself (such). Certainly you committed a evil thing."

1880 And regarding the boy; his parents are believers, so we worried he would treat them harsh with transgression and denial. So willed / intended their(dual) Lord to change / alter / modify for them(parents) better from/of him (the boy) in purity and nearness of generosity.

Reflect deeply... Would Allah ever change His genuine path... Never gonna order and kill innocent and be proud on that... I translated with logic and grammar and the truth... Note well word baddala /chanfed doesn't mean Allah changed that Boy with another boy... But Allah changed him with purity.. As far as I know change doesn't mean new in Quran but modification.. Refer 1015 or any verse which appear baddala..
On top of that, Kill doesn't mean even in English always killing a person.. Needless to elaborate that.. Here also faqathalahu doesn't mean KILLED.. but look at my translation..
Allah is just and always just...
Three actions did by Musa's teacher and all meant for betterment in the future.. But all actions did to achieve the betterment in the future were also good acceptavle actions and not barbaric actions.. Reflect... Similarly 489

Thank yiu

My dear fellow believers... Touch your heart and ask whether Musa's) partner killed the boy? Never.. I have a strong evidence against it.. And that is word BADAL.. it proves the boy was changed to a better person.. Deny my statement if you can.. I have all evidence for what I claim within Quran .

Thank you.

jkhan

One person is asking about verse 538 to clarify whether cut hands or something else. Well, most of believers now know about this verse.. So I just simply clarify.. Here in this verse not at all cutting hands of thiefs... But it means "Disassociate / Disconnect their strength (aydeehim ).. Hand is strength of a person socially.. Social support is imperative for a person that era and even now ... So if the thief is socially disconnected until he reforms from the lowly act he or she did then accept them as normal people. Cream and the essence of the verse is by disconnecting their strength thus socially isolated.. So he would feel helpless... Coz theft is social Issue.. So if society not respond then who can respond. Cutting hands won't give any solution and it is the worst one could do to a thief.. Gods law is not so cheap..

Thank you brother.. If anyone feels some verses of Quran even how much I read I never get, let me know that verse in sha Allah God willing and if God guide me with exact meaning I will translate for you...

Thanm You..

jkhan

4118-119
The God cursed him(satan). He (Satan) said "I will seize ordained rights(Naseeb) of Your servers."

" I will let them go astray and will tempt them (with desires) and will command them in order that they obstruct hearings of the blessings / favors, and command them in order that they substitute creation of the God." Whosoever grasps the Satan as supporter / ally in place of the God, so then indeed is lost a manifest loss.

jkhan

2744

When (he) said to her to enter the walkway / vestibule / antechamber / concourse (AlSarh), and although she saw it, she reckoned it to be a deep water pool and she removed her both legs' stockings / socks. (He) said, Indeed it is a walk way /vestibule crystal clear made of glass. She said "Indeed I have been astray to my own self and I have surrendered with Sulaiman to the God, Lord of all races.

Note well, always word Saaq is not foot up to knee in Quran . It has many meanings..see the glaring difference Iin the below verse in contrast to above..

6842
On a day in which disaster / calamity / distress will be disclosed, and they will be called / announced towards the submission, but not they are obeying / willing.

It means they have realized that this is the day of all agony and everyone should submit willingly or unwillingly.. But those who failed to do so in this world they would still do the submission but not in true sense coz they knew their submission is not gonna pay dividends to them.. Too late..

Note my above translation even not agaisnt arabic language / dictionary...

jkhan

https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612306.0

https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612307.0

I have linked these Ramadhan and Haj verses which is mostly biased or without knowledge or without guidance translated by most..

jkhan

Salam..

Some asking me to translate Dhulkarnain verses.. Well.. I found many or all translation wrong in connection with the story, but except one... So I don't need to translate.. I have linked his translation as under..

https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12978.10

I do absolutely agree with his translation after giving through reflection to it.. I am talking about the Sun hidden behind black eye... Etc.

Translations are perfect for me. But I can't accept everything what he wrote there other than translation.. . One thing to note Sitra for me is just "No cover from the Sun" not related to eclipse..that's my understanding and it makes sense for me.. Meanwhile black eye is nothing else but it is the Moon.. That's my take.. It is not relevant to translation.. His translation right.. It is up to you to decide what the black eye is.. So when already a right translation is available, I don't think I have to repeat it.. Read carefully his translation..

Thank you..

jkhan

2215
Whoever ascertains that the God will support him not in the World and the Hereafter, so then let him reinforce with a relation / tie / bond followed with the Specified term (the highness) . After that let him disassociate /disconnect, so then let him wait and see whether his conspiracy / plan would take away what infuriates.

Reflect deep my fellow believers what Allah is trying to say... How beautiful God's example is.. But what all translations presented to us are mere shame.. I don't whether they don't understand arabic or they are deviated far from truth...

Now you can easily perceive what Allah talks in the verse...

Peace..

One personally asks me in the above verse i have taken Asama as the Highness, while it means the Sky in general...?

Yes.. That's the beauty of this Quran.. God is very specific with His wording failing to get right meaning for right verse will end up in wrong assumption.. Sama is not always sky in Quran... As arabic is a rich language it has many meanings within Quran.. Even verse 4036-37 ... Read the verses.. I am not gonna translate.. But simply say.. Here alsamawat is not skies or heavens but real meaning in the verse is The Highnesses / The superiorities. king pharou ordered to build a walkway / vestibule in which he felt he could achieve / have connection / bond with Highnesses / Superiorities of gods.. He never meant to raise a building to reach the skies literally (samawathi) and reach the God of Musa... If anyone thinks that's what verse means, that's weird.

Thank you...
His thought of reaching to the bond of Superiorities / Highnesses is mere his imagination and never he could ...

jkhan

527And recite to them with truth the news (Naba'a) of two sons of Adam. When they both approached / accessed (Qarraba) a nearness / means of closeness to the God (Qurbanan), so then it was accepted from one of them (dual), and accepts not from the other. Said he (the other) 'surely I murder you'. Said he (accepted one) 'verily the God accepts from the one who attained the conciousness.'

Here the word Qurban is never meant as a sacrifice of any animal but word Qurbanan means as it is translated above.. Allah never accepts nearing to Allah by means of falls approach but He only accepts while being concious about Allah with truth.. Adam's sons never sacrificed any beast to Allah or fed poor people.. It was just the thought of those who translated... In my understanding there is no sacrifice in Quran where word Qurbanan or Qarraba appear.. All means of getting close to God.. Even the verse 3183... No sacrifice at all..

Thank you... May Allah guide His believers..

jkhan

3183
Those who said 'Indeed the God took a covenant over / from us that not for us to believe towards a Messenger until he (Messenger) brings to us with a way of nearness / approaching (Qurbanan) that devours / disposes of the Evil (Naar). Say! 'Surely came to you Messengers before of me with clear manifestations / proofs as well with what you spoke. So why you murdered them if you are speakers of truth.

jkhan

Salam...

For some, it seems like they are confused about word Taghut in Quran.. I am not gonna translate all Taghut verses here.. But let me explain what this taghut is so you can apply to all verses.. Mostly it is translated as false idols, deities or even left it as Taghut as if it is only something existed in Arabia...

Taghut is something against the Word (Alqawl) of Allah.. In another way if explain a system instituted and existed against or totally contrary to the system (Dheen/Islam) of Allah.. They have legislation to follow under a system in the form of a religion wherewith they take their law in life but against God's pure basic law.. I hope you got me.. For example if in God's system eating pork or blood is forbidden in contrast to that in such System(Taghut) it allows you to do... This is taghut.. A system which is path of satan...it exists everywhere wherever God's Messengers were sent.. That confirms verse 1636 .. So Taghut is not particularly a deity or god etc but it is a satanic system practiced by people and in it gods and deities definitely exists as firm of worship.. But taghut itself is not gods... So whoever follows such path is indeed transgressing God's System... In a nutshell if you compare other satanic religions and their practices with Quran's system you will perceive what Taghut is... If I directly translate.. It will be like "falsely legislated System / Satanic or Satan influenced religion"

Thank you..

jkhan

Is there any verse in the Quran which cannot be grasped if God has guided him or her truly? In my understanding No.. Every verse of Quran is within the reach of every guided believer if his or her intention is guidance purely.. . So what in fact 37 is speaking about... So are there indeed verses we should classify that no one can understand them? No... If anyone says Yes! there are verses that should be classified that no one can understand except Allah then what are those verses and who will classify them and why? In that case also a loads of discrepancy in opinions will creep up.. But what I realized of late is, there is no such verses that are allegorical unless clearly stated with allegory in Quran while some other are very manifest .. I don't agree. In that case basic verses of siyam haj salah zaka etc are not at all clear for many who keep arguing for ages about it.. Coz guidance cannot vary.. I mean.. One fast skip food and drink 30 days in contrast to that one meditates etc cannot be guidance of God with the same verse... Coz one verse many interpretations is sheer crap..
If then, what exactly the verse 37 is meant by Allah? Yes.. Let's translate the verse first of all as meant by God. Coz complete Quran is fully detailed but only who are guided truly plus knowledgeable ones will understand them all, Allah wills .. People may raise voices in their ignorance but God knows who is guided aright with His verses.. There is no space for those who are guided aright for loopholes or ambiguity with certain verses so that get misguided literally .. Guided means guided to the truth and no other option.. So who will have ambiguity in Quran verses is in fact who has not yet reached to that point though thinks he so.. Intention plays a huge role here. . If the intention is Temptation (fitna) while looking at verses of Allah then they are not guided even how much they believe in God.. They are just curious with temptation /fitna and they alter rebelling with such verses..
Here is the translation of the verse 37

He (the God) is who has sent down to you the Book (kitab), of it verses self explanatory / self sufficient / comprehensible (Muhkamat), they are basic principles of the law (kitab), and the other (verses) dependent / equivocal (Mutashabihath). So as for those in whose hearts deviation follow what was reliant / equivocal of it, seeking the temptation (fitna) and desiring its result / fulfilment (thahweel). And not knows the result / fulfilment (tahweelaHu) of it except the God and those the well grounded in the knowledge. They say 'We believe in it, all from of our Lord'. No one receives admonition except men of comprehension.

Here.. 'Allah and those who are well founded in knowledge knows it' is a huge statement by God.. God only knows who those well grounded in knowledge who knows the verses of Mutashabihath. .. No argument about it and there are believers on this earth with such capacity... Just simply coz their immaculate intention which is guidance and not for boasting or temptation (fitna) ...

After all these Mutashabihath verses are just verses of Quran but need to study with thorough comparisons and much application of comprehension and that's why they are not muhkamat verses... Never these verses can be taken by reading only that verse/s itself but need loads of comparison and explorations and then judge... Well.. once judged God knows they have chosen the right path or not .. People may raise voice.against it but in vain coz they do only with temptation (fitna)..

Note well.. Results of digging deep with Mutashabihath verses are two .....

failure . coz intention is seeking temptation in those verses...
Success.. coz intention is immaculate and well grounded in knowledge... Plus guided..

So in a nutshell... Guidance is never a guidance if gone against what Allah has revealed in the book though reading the same book. So ultimately it is between Allah and that believer.. Three options for the same verse cannot ever be guidance for three different people even though how much difference of opinion is welcomed / entertained in society... But not with Allah.. True guidance has no option save truth...

jkhan

635
And if it was difficult / strenuous on you (singular) their aversion / turning away, then if you were able in order that to seek pretention (nafqan) in the land or (seek) belonging / affinity (sullama) towards the highness / superiority (Sama) so that to bring for them a sign / portent / prophecy (Aaya). And if the God had willed He would have brought them together over to the guidance. So be not one of those ignorants.

All translations honestly made me sick and gave me no sense.. Ladder and tunnels.. Oh nonsensical..

This verse manifestly giving a command to the prophet as well anyone who faces a situation where you love some people take the guidance, since you for whatever reason attached to them . So this attachment at the same time their turning away from guidance makes one feel unbearable / difficult thus feeling to even pretend or feeling to bring a sign in order they take the guidance. Well.. No use. .just don't be ignorant. No need to go after them.. Just pass the message and let them reflect and if they turn away then it is no worthy worrying about them even they are your loved ones children parents wives sibling friends etc. Just move on ..

jkhan

I think some of the verses you quote are horribly translated. Unfortunately a bit of work seems to remain on translations. However one gets the main idea from many, do not have partners to Ein.

Also, the translations are biased by biblical import of concepts and names. And should rather retain the arabic names, and also drop "god" as he has a son in The Bible, and rather use Ein, which works like it should in latin alphabet, and reflects The Quranic teaching there.

Peace.

Peace..

Hope you keep doing well.. Good to see new members ...

Arabic is a language so does English... One word can have many meaning as you are aware in any language, but one word has ONE meaning in one verse. So I am happy to use God as it gives the meaning which I am familiar about God's attribute..

Yes.. Christians or others may call God and at the back of their mind the God might have son.. It doesn't matter for me.. It's their choice.. God is One as per Quran.. So I have no issue about dictionary meanings that could be derived for word 'God'....
Role of any language is to communicate and pass the message and nothing else.. So arabic word Allah is used ideally fitting to the language... For example King Solaiman wrote a letter to a Queen stating "Bism Allah Arrahman Arraheem' .. So language is of many nature but same message can be passed in any language... Literally Sulaiman didn't write the letter in arabic but it is what he wrote. So we don't know what Sulaiman wrote in words in which language... Similarly Mary said fear Arrahman.. We don't know Mary indeed said Arrahman or the word equivalent to it in her language . So languages are from the God and the God may have many names according to languages but they all may be same in any language according to above examples..
So brother / sister.. I have no issue using the God in English language to arabic word Allah..

Thank you.. Keep up good works in the forum. Let your presence be beneficial to those who seek knowledge..