Examples of Quran variants and word changes from different Qurans.
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Salam!
Nice work bro, however, you have not suggested which variant is correct! Moreover, do these variants suggest that Allah's words can be changed by different writers or speakers?
Peace!
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Salam!
Nice work bro, however, you have not suggested which variant is correct! Moreover, do these variants suggest that Allah's words can be changed by different writers or speakers?
Peace!
Salam
They are all considered as correct. If we have to choose one, then we don't know.
Variants show the diversity in reciting the Quran.
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Salam,
Diversity in recitation is a lame excuse. For example, when the word کبیر is replaced with کثیر then it gives different meaning. Similarly, when the word نار is replaced with جھنم then the meaning changes. Hope you understand the difference. Which word was actually revealed by Allah?
Peace!
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It begs the questions What is Qoran used for? How many Qorans has GOD revealed?
So because Qoran is mainly used for recitation. all the variants are fine and never mind the meanings or the original version.? Is this reasonable?
GOD says that He sent one book, so there should be only one version of GOD s Qoran.
It seems to me Traditional Islam is playing a game with Qoran, they tell those who speak and know Arabic very well that they cannot understand Qoran without Hadiths and the scholars and also tell those who do not know Arabic the same and that Qoran can only be read/ recited in Arabic.
In other words, do not bother to try and study Qoran to understand it by yourself seeking GOD s help .And that there exists many variants of this book!
We should understand this game so that we can fight it. We need to read the Quran to understand it, not to read it without understanding it, like Donkeys carrying valuable books, See 625.
The Quran is a message, not just another beautiful language book. If you cannot read it in Arabic do not wait until the day you excel in your Arabic language, because this day may never come. Trust God and know that He is the teacher of the Quran. He will teach in any language and to any nationality, He created all things. Read and study your Quran today, (do not wait any longer,) in any language that you can understand and master and leave the rest to God.
GOD has left Traditional Islam to their games like He did with false religions before them. He kept His book separate from their Hadiths , locked it with a numerical composition and left them to their claims and fabrications.
GOD has the master copy of His book . Those who sincerely seek Him will be guided to the right copy regardless of how many variants are claimed.GOD s Qoran is taught and explained by Him . Easy and simple fact.
GOD bless you all.
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Salam
The difference is in placement of i'jam and harakat.
Which one was revealed by Allah? It depends on if you're assuming there is only one way revealed.
Salam,
Diversity in recitation is a lame excuse. For example, when the word کبیر is replaced with کثیر then it gives different meaning. Similarly, when the word نار is replaced with جھنم then the meaning changes. Hope you understand the difference. Which word was actually revealed by Allah?
Peace!
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You're mixing up many things.
Book and Quran are different things. One book does not mean one Quran.
The language is Arabic and can only be considered in Arabic. If you want to follow an Arabic book, you should learn the language. Otherwise it's unintelligent to rely on someone else's translation who is most likely committing errors.
You are not reading or understanding Quran if it's not in its original language.
It begs the questions What is Qoran used for? How many Qorans has GOD revealed?
So because Qoran is mainly used for recitation. all the variants are fine and never mind the meanings or the original version.? Is this reasonable?
GOD says that He sent one book, so there should be only one version of GOD s Qoran.
It seems to me Traditional Islam is playing a game with Qoran, they tell those who speak and know Arabic very well that they cannot understand Qoran without Hadiths and the scholars and also tell those who do not know Arabic the same and that Qoran can only be read/ recited in Arabic.
In other words, do not bother to try and study Qoran to understand it by yourself seeking GOD s help .And that there exists many variants of this book!
We should understand this game so that we can fight it. We need to read the Quran to understand it, not to read it without understanding it, like Donkeys carrying valuable books, See 625.
The Quran is a message, not just another beautiful language book. If you cannot read it in Arabic do not wait until the day you excel in your Arabic language, because this day may never come. Trust God and know that He is the teacher of the Quran. He will teach in any language and to any nationality, He created all things. Read and study your Quran today, (do not wait any longer,) in any language that you can understand and master and leave the rest to God.
GOD has left Traditional Islam to their games like He did with false religions before them. He kept His book separate from their Hadiths , locked it with a numerical composition and left them to their claims and fabrications.
GOD has the master copy of His book . Those who sincerely seek Him will be guided to the right copy regardless of how many variants are claimed.GOD s Qoran is taught and explained by Him . Easy and simple fact.
GOD bless you all.
Peace. -
Peace Euphoric.
You are ignoring so many important things that Qoran is clearly saying to us ,I will list few for you -Of course I will include the Arabic version for you so you have no issues with translations-1- GOD guides and explains Qoran-Are all those who know Arabic all believers?
وَلَو جَعَلنٰهُ قُرءانًا أَعجَمِيًّا لَقالوا لَولا فُصِّلَت ءايٰتُهُ ءَأَعجَمِىٌّ وَعَرَبِىٌّ قُل هُوَ لِلَّذينَ ءامَنوا هُدًى وَشِفاءٌ وَالَّذينَ لا يُؤمِنونَ فى ءاذانِهِم وَقرٌ وَهُوَ عَلَيهِم عَمًى أُولٰئِكَ يُنادَونَ مِن مَكانٍ بَعيدٍ
If we made it a non-Arabic Qoran they would have said, "Why did it come down in that language?" Whether it is Arabic or non- Arabic, say, "For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve,they will be deaf and blind to it, as if they are being addressed from faraway."2- How many Qorans does GOD talk about? 7 or 10 variants or... or just one single Qoran?
Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "God's. He is the witness between me and you that this Qoran has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods* beside God." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."
قُل أَىُّ شَىءٍ أَكبَرُ شَهٰدَةً قُلِ اللَّهُ شَهيدٌ بَينى وَبَينَكُم وَأوحِىَ إِلَىَّ هٰذَا القُرءانُ لِأُنذِرَكُم بِهِ وَمَن بَلَغَ أَئِنَّكُم لَتَشهَدونَ أَنَّ مَعَ اللَّهِ ءالِهَةً أُخرىٰ قُل لا أَشهَدُ قُل إِنَّما هُوَ إِلٰهٌ وٰحِدٌ وَإِنَّنى بَرىءٌ مِمّا تُشرِكونَ
Those to whom we have given the scripture recognize this as they recognize their own children. The ones who lose their souls are those who do not believe.
الَّذينَ ءاتَينٰهُمُ الكِتٰبَ يَعرِفونَهُ كَما يَعرِفونَ أَبناءَهُمُ الَّذينَ خَسِروا أَنفُسَهُم فَهُم لا يُؤمِنونَ
Who is more evil than one who lies about God, or rejects His revelations? The transgressors never succeed.
وَمَن أَظلَمُ مِمَّنِ افتَرىٰ عَلَى اللَّهِ كَذِبًا أَو كَذَّبَ بِـٔايٰتِهِ إِنَّهُ لا يُفلِحُ الظّٰلِمونَ3- Never mind men s Hadiths altogether since GOD s book-Qoran- is the best Hadith
اللَّهُ نَزَّلَ أَحسَنَ الحَديثِ كِتٰبًا مُتَشٰبِهًا مَثانِىَ تَقشَعِرُّ مِنهُ جُلودُ الَّذينَ يَخشَونَ رَبَّهُم ثُمَّ تَلينُ جُلودُهُم وَقُلوبُهُم إِلىٰ ذِكرِ اللَّهِ ذٰلِكَ هُدَى اللَّهِ يَهدى بِهِ مَن يَشاءُ وَمَن يُضلِلِ اللَّهُ فَما لَهُ مِن هادٍ
God has revealed herein the best Hadith; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways (to Heaven and Hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for God's message. Such is God's guidance; He bestows it upon whoever wills (to be guided). As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide themOr do those who know Arabic succeed to hide what the verses are saying to those who do not know Arabic ? or what are these verses really saying in Arabic brother?
Brother we need to reflect on GOD s scripture Nothing to do with Arabic or any language or nationality if one submits and follows GOD s messageIf God renders one's heart content with Submission/Islam, he will be following a light from his Lord. Therefore, woe to those whose hearts are hardened against God's message; they have gone far astray.
أَفَمَن شَرَحَ اللَّهُ صَدرَهُ لِلإِسلٰمِ فَهُوَ عَلىٰ نورٍ مِن رَبِّهِ فَوَيلٌ لِلقٰسِيَةِ قُلوبُهُم مِن ذِكرِ اللَّهِ أُولٰئِكَ فى ضَلٰلٍ مُبينٍAnd of course the more languages one learns the better they are equipped and ready to receive GOD s message.It stands to reason that the more knowledgeable are better prepared than those who are less knowledgeable.
GOD bless you.
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Salam
The issue is these verses are in Arabic and not English. Only an Arabic speaker who is aware of the language and culture is going to understand them.
I reject your English translations because 1) it's wrong and 2)they are not Quran, they are just interpretations. For example,
وَلَو جَعَلنٰهُ قُرءانًا أَعجَمِيًّا لَقالوا لَولا فُصِّلَت ءايٰتُهُ ءَأَعجَمِىٌّ وَعَرَبِىٌّ قُل هُوَ لِلَّذينَ ءامَنوا هُدًى وَشِفاءٌ وَالَّذينَ لا يُؤمِنونَ فى ءاذانِهِم وَقرٌ وَهُوَ عَلَيهِم عَمًى أُولٰئِكَ يُنادَونَ مِن مَكانٍ بَعيدٍ
If we made it a non-Arabic Qoran they would have said, "Why did it come down in that language?" Whether it is Arabic or non- Arabic, say, "For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve,they will be deaf and blind to it, as if they are being addressed from faraway."Wrong translation
"foreign" is a mistranslation and so is "Arabic" in this context. AJM actually means ambiguous and unclear and ARB means clear and explicit. So now the proper understanding of the verse. It has nothing to do with foreign or Arab.
See how wrong the translation is? It's not Quran and it was misleading.
A simple example.
Peace Euphoric.
You are ignoring so many important things that Qoran is clearly saying to us ,I will list few for you -Of course I will include the Arabic version for you so you have no issues with translations-1- GOD guides and explains Qoran-Are all those who know Arabic all believers?
وَلَو جَعَلنٰهُ قُرءانًا أَعجَمِيًّا لَقالوا لَولا فُصِّلَت ءايٰتُهُ ءَأَعجَمِىٌّ وَعَرَبِىٌّ قُل هُوَ لِلَّذينَ ءامَنوا هُدًى وَشِفاءٌ وَالَّذينَ لا يُؤمِنونَ فى ءاذانِهِم وَقرٌ وَهُوَ عَلَيهِم عَمًى أُولٰئِكَ يُنادَونَ مِن مَكانٍ بَعيدٍ
If we made it a non-Arabic Qoran they would have said, "Why did it come down in that language?" Whether it is Arabic or non- Arabic, say, "For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve,they will be deaf and blind to it, as if they are being addressed from faraway."2- How many Qorans does GOD talk about? 7 or 10 variants or... or just one single Qoran?
Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "God's. He is the witness between me and you that this Qoran has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods* beside God." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."
قُل أَىُّ شَىءٍ أَكبَرُ شَهٰدَةً قُلِ اللَّهُ شَهيدٌ بَينى وَبَينَكُم وَأوحِىَ إِلَىَّ هٰذَا القُرءانُ لِأُنذِرَكُم بِهِ وَمَن بَلَغَ أَئِنَّكُم لَتَشهَدونَ أَنَّ مَعَ اللَّهِ ءالِهَةً أُخرىٰ قُل لا أَشهَدُ قُل إِنَّما هُوَ إِلٰهٌ وٰحِدٌ وَإِنَّنى بَرىءٌ مِمّا تُشرِكونَ
Those to whom we have given the scripture recognize this as they recognize their own children. The ones who lose their souls are those who do not believe.
الَّذينَ ءاتَينٰهُمُ الكِتٰبَ يَعرِفونَهُ كَما يَعرِفونَ أَبناءَهُمُ الَّذينَ خَسِروا أَنفُسَهُم فَهُم لا يُؤمِنونَ
Who is more evil than one who lies about God, or rejects His revelations? The transgressors never succeed.
وَمَن أَظلَمُ مِمَّنِ افتَرىٰ عَلَى اللَّهِ كَذِبًا أَو كَذَّبَ بِـٔايٰتِهِ إِنَّهُ لا يُفلِحُ الظّٰلِمونَ3- Never mind men s Hadiths altogether since GOD s book-Qoran- is the best Hadith
اللَّهُ نَزَّلَ أَحسَنَ الحَديثِ كِتٰبًا مُتَشٰبِهًا مَثانِىَ تَقشَعِرُّ مِنهُ جُلودُ الَّذينَ يَخشَونَ رَبَّهُم ثُمَّ تَلينُ جُلودُهُم وَقُلوبُهُم إِلىٰ ذِكرِ اللَّهِ ذٰلِكَ هُدَى اللَّهِ يَهدى بِهِ مَن يَشاءُ وَمَن يُضلِلِ اللَّهُ فَما لَهُ مِن هادٍ
God has revealed herein the best Hadith; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways (to Heaven and Hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for God's message. Such is God's guidance; He bestows it upon whoever wills (to be guided). As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide themOr do those who know Arabic succeed to hide what the verses are saying to those who do not know Arabic ? or what are these verses really saying in Arabic brother?
Brother we need to reflect on GOD s scripture Nothing to do with Arabic or any language or nationality if one submits and follows GOD s messageIf God renders one's heart content with Submission/Islam, he will be following a light from his Lord. Therefore, woe to those whose hearts are hardened against God's message; they have gone far astray.
أَفَمَن شَرَحَ اللَّهُ صَدرَهُ لِلإِسلٰمِ فَهُوَ عَلىٰ نورٍ مِن رَبِّهِ فَوَيلٌ لِلقٰسِيَةِ قُلوبُهُم مِن ذِكرِ اللَّهِ أُولٰئِكَ فى ضَلٰلٍ مُبينٍAnd of course the more languages one learns the better they are equipped and ready to receive GOD s message.It stands to reason that the more knowledgeable are better prepared than those who are less knowledgeable.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Euphoric.
So your English translation will always be the correct version because you are an Arabic speaker?
In that case all your threads are pointless for non Arabic speakers to take part in.
What a shame.
And I thought GOD sends a scripture for all humanity?
GOD bless you.
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peace
Mālik and malik (مَالكِ – مَلِكِ) in Sūrah al-Fātiḥah (14); both words (i.e., master and king) indicate Allah.
see 8217-19
The word ṣirāṭ (صِرَاطَ - سِرَاطَ = ‘path’) in Sūrah al-Fātiḥah (16-7) is pronounced with sīn (س) and ṣāḍ (ص).
the word "path" with letter ص appears 38 times in Qur'an 381 ص
3rd line from the top (1st and 3rd word)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/manuscripts/59/page/1v?sura=1&verse=6In 12110, “until the Messengers despaired and they assumed they were lied to,” kudhibū (كُذِبُوا), or “they were certain they were rejected,” kudhdhibū (كُذِّبُوا). '
there is no "to" and if "lied" who lied to whom about what?
12110 that they assuredly كذبوا were lied they?
12110 that they assuredly كذبوا were denied they
In Sūrah al-Baqarah (2219), Allah says, “They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, ‘In them is great sin and benefits for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit.’”
يَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْخَمْرِ وَالْمَيْسِرِ قُلْ فِيهِمَا إِثْمٌ كَبِيرٌ وَمَنَافِعُ لِلنَّاسِ وَإِثْمُهُمَا أَكْبَرُ مِنْ نَفْعِهِمَاEight of the ten qurrāʾ read it kabīrun (كَبِيرٌ) = ‘great.’ However, Ḥamzah and al-Kisāʾī read it, kathīrun (كَثِيرٌ) = ‘much.’ This variant type is an alternation (ibdāl) of two consonants, (b → th). The sin (ithm/ إِثْمٌ) of drinking wine, according to the first reading, is ‘great.’ The second reading adds the meaning that ‘there is much sin in it.’
2219
say in them dual detriment great and benefits for the people
and detriment them dual greater from benefit them dual5332 the ones avoiding kabā'ira/greater al-'ithmi/the detriment
In Sūrah al-Kahf (1855), Allah says, “And nothing has prevented the people from believing when guidance came to them and from seeking their Lord’s forgiveness except that there befall them the precedent of the ancients or that the punishment should come upon them in many types.”
وَمَا مَنَعَ ٱلنَّاسَ أَن يُؤْمِنُوٓاْ إِذْ جَآءَهُمُ ٱلْهُدَىٰ وَيَسْتَغْفِرُواْ رَبَّهُمْ إِلَّآ أَن تَأْتِيَهُمْ سُنَّةُ ٱلْأَوَّلِينَ أَوْ يَأْتِيَهُمُ ٱلْعَذَابُ قُبُلًا
ʿĀṣim, Ḥamzah, al-Kisāʾī, and Abū Jaʿfar read the end of the verse with the diacritic mark ḍammah on the qāf and the bāʾ, qubulan (قُبُلًا) = ‘in many types.’ The rest of the qurrāʾ read the qāf with kasrah and the bāʾ with fatḥa, qibalan (قِبَلًا) = ‘face to face.’
1855 the punishment prior
3rd line from top (bā with fatha)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/manuscripts/107/page/8v?sura=18&verse=55#manuscript_page4th line from top (qāf with kasrah)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/manuscripts/163/page/114v?sura=18&verse=55In Sūrah al-Takwīr (Q. 8124), Allah says, “And Muhammad is not a withholder of the unseen.”
وَمَا هُوَ عَلَى الْغَيْبِ بِضَنِينٍIbn Kathīr, Abū ʿAmr, al-Kisāʾī, and one of two canonical transmitters of Yaʿqūb, Ruays, read bi-ẓanīnin with ẓ (بِظَنِين) = accused. The rest read it bi-ḍanīnin with ḍ (بِضَنِين) = stingy.
8124 always with ص
no old manuscript written with zhã' ظ in suspicion/accusation ?
In Sūrah al-Baqarah (2229), Allah says, “And it is not lawful for you to take anything of what you have given them unless both fear that they may not be able to maintain the limits of Allah.”
وَلَا يَحِلُّ لَكُمْ أَن تَأْخُذُواْ مِمَّآ ءَاتَيْتُمُوهُنَّ شَيْـًٔا إِلَّآ أَن يَخَافَآ أَلَّا يُقِيمَا حُدُودَ ٱللَّهḤamzah, Abū Jaʿfar, and Yaʿqūb read the verb yukhāfā (يُخَافا) in the passive form. The rest read it yakhāfā (يَخافا) in the active form unless they both fear.
yukhāfā (يُخَافا), means ‘unless it is feared that they may not maintain the limits of Allah’
yakhāfā (يَخافا), means ‘unless they both fear that they may not be able to maintain the limits of Allah’
yukhāfa someone or something is making them afraid.
yakhāfā they're afraid on their own accord per context.
2229 that ىخفا (they fear dual) that not ىقىما (they keep dual) limits the God
2nd line from the top
https//corpuscoranicum.de/en/manuscripts/32/page/8v?sura=2&verse=229#manuscript_page -
Salam
The issue is these verses are in Arabic and not English. Only an Arabic speaker who is aware of the language and culture is going to understand them.
I reject your English translations because 1) it's wrong and 2)they are not Quran, they are just interpretations. For example,
وَلَو جَعَلنٰهُ قُرءانًا أَعجَمِيًّا لَقالوا لَولا فُصِّلَت ءايٰتُهُ ءَأَعجَمِىٌّ وَعَرَبِىٌّ قُل هُوَ لِلَّذينَ ءامَنوا هُدًى وَشِفاءٌ وَالَّذينَ لا يُؤمِنونَ فى ءاذانِهِم وَقرٌ وَهُوَ عَلَيهِم عَمًى أُولٰئِكَ يُنادَونَ مِن مَكانٍ بَعيدٍ
If we made it a non-Arabic Qoran they would have said, "Why did it come down in that language?" Whether it is Arabic or non- Arabic, say, "For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve,they will be deaf and blind to it, as if they are being addressed from faraway."Wrong translation
"foreign" is a mistranslation and so is "Arabic" in this context. AJM actually means ambiguous and unclear and ARB means clear and explicit. So now the proper understanding of the verse. It has nothing to do with foreign or Arab.
See how wrong the translation is? It's not Quran and it was misleading.
A simple example.
So no one can understand the Quran grasp the message except those who are Arabs? Or except you yourself. There are many Arab Christians who read Quran but did not grasp the message. Grasping the Quran comes from God and sincere devotions to him along for guidance. Why would God send a book in Arabic and expect non Arabs to follow. He could have sent then each community his own book in his own language.
To you traditionalist don't know Arabic, Christians Arabs don't know Arabic, members here also don't know Arabic. All don't know Arabic except you.
Bro I don't really know what you think of others. What I see is that you are arrogant. It's onky you knows Arabic. Why don't you translate the whole Quran for everyone to benefit or it can not be translated. It's onky you who have this ability. You are arrogant bro
God bless